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I Cheated And Nothing Happened!

DingoGirl

By DingoGirl
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CarlaB Enthusiast
CarlaB
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That doesn't sound like restricted to me, it sounds like you've actually increased your donut intact by 32%!

She gone hog wild! :P

Actually, it's only an 8% increase. I'm glad your not working at the Bursar's office at my daughter's school!!

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TriticusToxicum Explorer
TriticusToxicum
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Actually, it's only an 8% increase. I'm glad your not working at the Bursar's office at my daughter's school!!

My math

% change = ((new - old)/old) x 100

((.33-.25)/.25) x100

(.08/.25)x100

.32x100

32% :huh:

(I'm not really working either) :rolleyes:

CarlaB Enthusiast
CarlaB
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My math:

1/3 is 1/12 larger than 1/4. 1/12 = 8%

This just shows how statistics can be manipulated to say anything.

Sissy Rookie
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Just the thought of a deliberate yummy food binge scares the heck out of me, I am still suffering the effects of being accidentally glutened last Saturday night at the Red Lobster..I have since discovered the culprit was the sour cream, or now I realize it was only a sour cream wannabe..after questioning Red Lobster health line 3 times about it..finally they gave me the ingredients with the terse "our restaurant is not an allergy free facility" before I had even finished my meal I had to excuse myself and run for the bathroom..then next day I had nausea, anxiety, depression and a huge headache plus the big D, cramps, bloating and gas...

If you "got away" with your intentional binge this time, enjoy it to the max..but it would not seem a very safe thing to do again just to see what happens. Sissy

Guest Robbin
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:lol: Very impressive math Richard.

I do know that fats slow down digestion, so perhaps it will hit you later. I hope not, but it makes sense that gluten without fats as in cc would cause an immediate reaction and something with fats would be somewhat insulated.

Hey, Richard, you are a genius! A nut too, lol. :P Do you do housework as well? Perhaps you are Mr. Wonderful, lol.

TriticusToxicum Explorer
TriticusToxicum
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My math:

1/3 is 1/12 larger than 1/4. 1/12 = 8%

This just shows how statistics can be manipulated to say anything.

As long as you can still eat a donut I'm happy for you! (no matter what the math :P )

Hey, Richard, you are a genius! A nut too, lol. :P Do you do housework as well? Perhaps you are Mr. Wonderful, lol.

Don't get Carla started on any of these points...we've discussed this on the "funny pages" and I am in the midst of a big 0-fer. ( I do dishes, bathrooms and occasionally sweep :) )

CarlaB Enthusiast
CarlaB
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:lol::lol::lol: See, Richard used stats to prove how large the change was ... I figured it out the other way to show how small. ;) (yea, I got it, Richard).

I'm just hoping Susan ends up with her brain fog being the only symptom (my poor attempt at getting back on topic). Also, Susan, have you ever tried the Kinnikinnick chocolate iced donuts? Are they even close to your favorites?

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DingoGirl Enthusiast
DingoGirl
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okay you goofballs.....

anyone want to tell me why I feel BETTER today than yesterday??? is the gluten empowering me?? :ph34r:

yesterday, walking the dogs, I collapsed in sobs in the orchard (thsi has to do with serious life issues but also the haze and fog enveloping my brain - PRE-DONUTS - was mind-numbing)....today, happily working ih the garden.....the life issues are not gone by any means but I am not stumbling around in tears....

:blink:

and no, I don't plan on doing this again! It was not only a test but a moment of furious, wreckless abandon....and I just didn't care.

CarlaB Enthusiast
CarlaB
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okay you goofballs.....

anyone want to tell me why I feel BETTER today than yesterday??? is the gluten empowering me?? :ph34r:

Maybe because you cut loose and had some fun? You didn't take life so seriously for a short time? I wouldn't bet it had anything to do with the donuts .... Maybe the mental change that made it so you ate the donuts is what empowered you. You didn't let life restict you from what you wanted. Next time, make it a gluten-free rebellion!!

TriticusToxicum Explorer
TriticusToxicum
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okay you goofballs.....

anyone want to tell me why I feel BETTER today than yesterday??? is the gluten empowering me?? :ph34r:

yesterday, walking the dogs, I collapsed in sobs in the orchard (thsi has to do with serious life issues but also the haze and fog enveloping my brain - PRE-DONUTS - was mind-numbing)....today, happily working ih the garden.....the life issues are not gone by any means but I am not stumbling around in tears....

:blink:

and no, I don't plan on doing this again! It was not only a test but a moment of furious, wreckless abandon....and I just didn't care.

You are a medical mystery. A regular freak of nature. Maybe your body is ramping up to fight the invading gluten, and this is why you feel peppy today? Kind of like when I was eating gluten it seemed like I never got sick (colds etc.), possibly because my immune systems was already in OD?

Just a stab in the dark. :)

Maybe because you cut loose and had some fun? You didn't take life so seriously for a short time? I wouldn't bet it had anything to do with the donuts .... Maybe the mental change that made it so you ate the donuts is what empowered you. You didn't let life restict you from what you wanted. Next time, make it a gluten-free rebellion!!

Yeah, what she said! (or Ann Landers will rise up and chase you with her wet noodle!)

DingoGirl Enthusiast
DingoGirl
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wellllllllll....I think it was because the sad, lonely little villi, now happily standing at attention, saw their old friend again and they just screamed and whooped with joy, bathed in fatty, flour-y, chocolately fried goodness, their long-forgotten joy is now radiating through my body...... :blink:

TriticusToxicum Explorer
TriticusToxicum
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wellllllllll....I think it was because the sad, lonely little villi, now happily standing at attention, saw their old friend again and they just screamed and whooped with joy, bathed in fatty, flour-y, chocolately fried goodness, their long-forgotten joy is now radiating through my body...... :blink:

:)

eleep Enthusiast
eleep
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Actually, this is purely hypothetical, but I felt "happier" a couple of days after my eel sushi glutening as well -- perhaps it was relief at having "escaped" (or so I thought), but I also suspect that it may have been a surge of adrenaline as part of the early sign of the reaction. I've been getting a lot more sensitive to the whole adrenal energy versus other energy thing lately because of the acupuncture and the stuff Carla's been posting on adrenal fatigue and I'm pretty sure that what I mistook for upbeat, happy mood at times was, in fact, more of an adrenaline thing.

DingoGirl Enthusiast
DingoGirl
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...meaning?

meaning I DON"T KNOW!!!! this was NOT the reaction that I expected! I mean, I was preparing for a day of pure misery....had kind friends standing by for help (and I told them I expected NO sympathy), had enough food supplies, nothing on schedule today......and now I"m working in the garden, nary a poop in sight! (well, if you don't count dog poop).....

eleep Enthusiast
eleep
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You know, realized I'm being the eeyore here -- I sincerely hope you don't end up feeling bad, you know -- I wish you all the doughnut joy that's possible in the world! I'm just being over-analytical about the whole thing!

TriticusToxicum Explorer
TriticusToxicum
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(well, if you don't count dog poop).....

eww...You don't walk aroung the park with a plastic bag do you? :huh:

I hope it lasts for you. Keep us posted on your innards :)

Fiddle-Faddle Community Regular
Fiddle-Faddle
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Susie, it's possible that the past few months while you've been gluten-free, your intestines have healed just enough to change your reactions. I think most of us have pretty leaky guts because we've been eating stuff we're intolerant to...when we stop, our guts have time to heal a bit...when that happens, I'm assuming (may incorrectly) that it might take longer to have a reaction...or maybe we won't have a reaction on the ocassional glutening... I don't know for sure...just my take on it.

I think dlp is right. I'll even take it a step further and wonder whether some of us really suffer from cross contamination or whether it might be other things causing the "cc" reaction. I had been sure that I was getting diarrhea and stomach-aches from cc when we ate out because I stopped getting diarrhea when we stopped eating out. But my kitchen is probably full of cross-contamination--there are occasional toast crumbs in the butter (I do try to pick them out), and I have not changed toasters, cutting boards, etc.--and I only get diarrhea when we go out.

So for me, I think that my restaurant diarrhea is not caused by cc, but by germs, bacteria, viruses, lousy hygiene among restaurant workers (I've seen some sneeze into their hand as they were passing out silverware), maybe even mold, who knows.

That said, I'm still avoiding gluten (except for whatever cross-contamination occurs at home), and I am feeling 300% better (and I was relatively asymptomatic before going off gluten!), so I am not the least bit tempted to go for the Krispy Kremes. I am, however, tempted to make my own gluten-free donuts now that you've been talking about donuts...

Alton Brown's donut episode was on TV last night (sigh). We gotta get him to do an episode on gluten-free....

Oh. One more thought. Since there ARE very good Kinnikinnick glazed chocolate donuts (and if they have them in Pittsburgh, they've gotta be in more progressive parts of the country!), I can't help wondering why you cheated. Could your cheating episode have less to do with craving something delicious and off-limits and more to do with needing to feel that you have SOME control? It sounds more like this was a loud act of protest --not against celiac, but against the week you were having--rather than eating something that's more yummy than anything gluten-free (and I maintain that Annalise Roberts created gluten-free versions of everything that are just as delicious as the gluteny stuff).

I'm not saying that you were wrong to do so. Sometimes, it just might be necessary from the point of view of sanity to do just what you did. Just don't do it again for, say another couple of years, so your immune system doesn't freak out anymore than it already has, okay? ;)

CarlaB Enthusiast
CarlaB
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Erica has a very good point about adrenaline. I am only learning now how much I used to have all I do be to get my adrenals going, right up till they were drained! I used to react to all stress basically the same (read, overreact), now I am reacting to little things much more calmly. I also had a bad nervous habit of playing with my fingernails ... I've stopped doing that, and it's something I've done my whole life. Now that my adrenals are starting to function properly, I really feel like I've never felt before. It's so different that I don't know how to explain it ... I don't feel like I need stimulants --coffee, exercise, sugar, refined carbs, alcohol, etc. -- to have the energy to get up and go. Even my old habit of being always busy kept my adrenals stimulated ... I didn't know how to relax ... if I did, I would have slept, unless, of course, it was bedtime or 3 AM, then I'd be wide awake.

But I do think that there was some kind of mental "thing" involved, too. But even that goes back to stress.

DingoGirl Enthusiast
DingoGirl
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very interesting stuff. hmmmmmmmmm....

Alison - - okay, I have a crazy little flaw in my personality fondly known as "what will happen?" years ago, and not that many years ago as I was CERTAINLY old enough to know.....I was hiking with the dogs, had only had my little dog for one week - she'd never been on a hike. She was eating poison oak......holy cow. Started choking....we ran a solid hour to get to the car because I just didn't know what would happen - had never seen a dog do this and choke like this. So............when I passed by the oak bush from which she was eating....a very quick thought passed through my head: what would happen if I apply this directly to my arm? :ph34r: And so I did.....rubbed it vigously on the top of my arm....oh holy lord. Within three days I was in the emergency room at midnight......two more trips to the doctor and finally back to the er on a Sunday, my arm was in a permanently bent position, systemic/edemic poison oak, 103 fever.....as we walked into the ER, and I was holding my arm up, in bent position, over my head, the whole room parted like the red sea - and that was the STAFF....my friends heard someone whispering "flesh-eating strep." :lol: So it was finally treated...but my mom had to come take care of me for FIVE days as my arm had to be iced and elevated on a pillow all the time. My elbow was about five times normal size.....truly a sight.

And then......after all the antibiotics and steroids.....got the most raging case of c. difficile.....lost 20 pounds in two weeks and.....my mom had to come take care of me again for five days as I literally could not move....except to run to the bathroom. (I told her only years later what I had done :ph34r: and we laugh about it now).....

Okay....so this was kind of a "what will happen if I consume a large amount of gluten?" and also in such a bad and sad mood that I didn't care..........

my tummy is a little tender this afternoon. that's it so far.....

no more experiments..... :ph34r: .....for now. ;)

eleep Enthusiast
eleep
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Dingogirl -- I can totally recognize the "what will happen" impulse because I've got the same curious urge to push the red button and see what it does! Goes along with the "what will happen if we play gofish as a drinking game and drain this whole bottle of tequila in the process" urge from college! However, I've been finding it useful to channel that impulse into more healing oriented activities of late -- as in, "what will happen if I let this guy stick that acupuncture needle in the top of my head" -- and I'm finding that the results are really great -- and they help with the low moods considerably!

eleep

jerseyangel Proficient
jerseyangel
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Sigh...Susan, what are we going to do with you?? :unsure:

DingoGirl Enthusiast
DingoGirl
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Patti :ph34r: - call my mom - she says the same thing - goes even further and says "how is it that you are my child?" :lol:

Erica - that kind of WHAT WILL HAPPEN - having a guy stick a needle in your head - well now that is beneficial! But if you say....WHAT WILL HAPPEN if I eat a whole pizza.....give me a call. :P

OMG Just today in the mail I got a letter from my GI's office, it is time for my followup visit and bloodwork :ph34r: Holy cheating batman, is this going to change my numbers? am going to put it off as long as possible.......of course I will tell him and he will give me a scolding but also will have that cute smirk that he gets......

nikki-uk Enthusiast
nikki-uk
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Holy cheating batman, is this going to change my numbers?

:lol::lol: It's coming back to haunt you already!

..you must curb these impulses! :):)

dlp252 Apprentice
dlp252
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I must admit I have the what will happen if thing too...but it's selective I think for me, lol. For instance, I don't need to know what will happen if I jump off a bridge on a bungee cord...I'm pretty sure I know what will happen. But I've done really dumb thing even knowing...like eating a half a Krispie Kreme donut a few monthg ago...haven't done that since.

Poison oak story...priceless. :lol:

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Mtndog
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OUCH all over! (Poison oak)

susieQ- I hope nothing happens to you. Really- I don't want you to do it again, but you've suffered enough. no chiding from me. But pleazzzzzzzze no more.

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