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I enjoy reading up on success stories about people who have used natural remedies and treatments to heal themselves of various ills. I go to this website curezone.com where there are forums that discuss methods of treatment, mostly they talk about cleanses.

Something I found of interest was the theory that a congested liver and gallbladder are involved in food allergies or allergies of any kind. They talked about a bizarre method for cleansing the liver by drinking about a pint of both lemon juice, and olive oil, right before bedtime and then lying on the right side. People were reporting that they passed hundreds of stones this way and this method had healed them of many issues like depression, food allergies, environmental allergies etc. I know that this method could never cure celiac disease, but Im almost tempted to try it to help with other issues that could be helped by a better functioning liver.

Problem is my body is so sensitive, I get detox symtoms just by taking a one capsule of probiotics, I cant imagine what a cleanse like this would be like. I shudder to think.

Has anyone ever heard of this method? Am I crazy for thinking about trying this?

Does cleansing really have to be this drastic? :huh:

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I would do a great deal of research before I tried this. Flushes can be very dangerous, some tolerate them but others have horrible reactions. For myself when I feel the need to flush my body a one or two day fast with plenty of water is what I go for.


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I have done something very simiular to this, but it was called a gallbladder flush. From what I remember it was epson salt in water (set for 4hours) and mixed with 1/2 cup of olive oil and juice from a lemon. You drink this at bedside and then lie down. When you wake you will have to go to the bathroom and you will probably see stones. I did this about 10 years ago but a friend of mine was just recommended this very same thing by her naturalpathic doctor. If you are more sensitive just know that you may have D a bit longer than the 1 day.

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I would do a great deal of research before I tried this. Flushes can be very dangerous, some tolerate them but others have horrible reactions. For myself when I feel the need to flush my body a one or two day fast with plenty of water is what I go for.

I agree....it can be dangerous and you dont know how your body will react.

I used to post on CureZone and tried some of the things recommended...none of which helped me. I never did a flush though....I was too scared. :ph34r:

There are people on that site who will do some crazy things and sometimes I think they may be causing more harm then good. :huh:

They are very anti-doctor (not that I cant relate to their frusterations)....but after 2 years I've seen noone over there "cure" themselves. I check in...and the same people are still trying to "cure" themselves with flushes or other remedies.

All I can say is BE CAREFUL.


Rachel

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I used to get liver headaches when I was eating gluten. I found a chiropractor that would push around near my liver, it would start gurgling and the pain would go away. So, I do think that if you are eating things that your body can't tolerate, it taxes the liver and can cause symptoms.

That being said, I wouldn't try something as extreme as a flush because what if you do get really sick? If you can't tolerate probiotics you might get very ill.

There are gentle cleanses that you can do, you are supposed to start off with a colon cleanse and then do a liver cleanse. There are tons of those products at the health food store. If you really want to do something, then I would recommend trying one of those that lasts for 2 weeks or so because it is probably much more mild than a flush. There is also liver tea that you can take. If you have a good health food store I would talk to them and see if they can recommend something gentle.

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http://www.glutenfreeforum.com/lofiversion...p/t19608-0.html

There is an entire thread on this forum about liver flushes. I don't believe in them. The flushes can be done best by simply eating less processed foods and drinking more water. Your liver is designed to flush itself out and maintain itself. The same is true for your colon. You could take beneficial herbs, which would be herbs that provide nutrients needed by the liver for optimum health. I take cat's claw and hawthorne berries.


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I think Im just going to do something gentle, Ive heard artichoke extract is very good for the liver and gallbladder. Ill look into that. Thanks all.

Rachel24, its good to know about the people on curezone. They do all seem very extreme. I dont like the idea of shutting out the medical establishment altogether, I believe in integration. And when people are too extreme in their approach to self treatment the results could be disastrous. Thanks for letting me know about that. Im starting nursing school next week, the last thing I need is to be sick.

The reason I was concerned about my liver is because I get a pain under my right rib cage. I feel this happens most when Im doing things to cleanse my body like taking potent probiotics, lemon water, and lymph massage. It may be too much. Im really sensitive.

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I personally wouldn't tred these waters, although I once contemplated this myself. If you


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When this first came up I spent some time looking it up. I can't find the source anymore, but I do remember reading that the original "flush protocol" was taking a teaspoon of olive oil every day for several weeks. It sounded much more sensible and much less harsh.


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The reason I was concerned about my liver is because I get a pain under my right rib cage. I feel this happens most when Im doing things to cleanse my body like taking potent probiotics, lemon water, and lymph massage. It may be too much. Im really sensitive.

Yikes! Have you had your liver enzymes tested? If you're experiencing pain then that would mean your liver is inflammed, right? That might be something to get tested. Pain in that area is also commonly associated with gallbladder, too.


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i don't think ANYONE could convince me to drink a pint of lemon juice and a pint of olive oil----probably the only "flush" i would get from it would be the flush from it coming back up!!!! my sister has an autoimmune liver disease and will eventually need a new liver. her GI has told her NOT to do liver flushes.


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The reason I was concerned about my liver is because I get a pain under my right rib cage. I feel this happens most when Im doing things to cleanse my body like taking potent probiotics, lemon water, and lymph massage. It may be too much. Im really sensitive.

One thing that was recommended by our homeopath and may be helpful is to drink 1 eight ounce glass of this each day: 8 oz. pure, filtered water, juice of 1 organic lemon, 1 tsp pure maple syrup and a pinch of cayenne pepper. From there, make sure that you are drinking an appropriate amount of pure water each day. That would be half of your weight in oz. So if you're 100 pounds....you need 50 oz. per day (and not during meals as it will dilute stomach acids and mess up digestion).

We also got the info on the olive oil and Epsom salt flushes but haven't done them. Just drinking the water concoction and them staying hydrated throughout the day has helped. And maintaining a gluten-free/df/sf diet based on whole foods has also definitely helped.

From there, if you're still experiencing pain....go see a doctor to make sure that there's nothing serious or life-threatening going on. If not, you can look into milk thistle to see if it helps (it supports the liver and my father found it very helpful when he had liver pain during his battle with cancer). And going along with the suggestion of pancreatin....you could also look at a similar product called Serralone (or serratiopeptadase), one of the best and most powerful protoelytic enzymes available. It eats up any non-living matter in the bloodstream and will help the liver detox. Some European nations are using this enzyme as opposed to doing open heart surgery on patients with clogged arteries as it will eat up arterial plaque in 2 weeks. It is also being used with potential amputee patients where mainstream drugs aren't reducing inflammation from trauma quickly enough. Serratiopeptadase will get inflammation down quickly. I've seen mention of its use with carpal tunnel and arthritis as well. I had heard of it from a researcher in the supplement/drug fields when my father had cancer.

I hope that you get to the bottom of this and feel better soon. And if at all possible....when going with alternative treatments, try to find someone reputable to help you. You can find a list of doctors in your state at acam.org.


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Yikes! Have you had your liver enzymes tested? If you're experiencing pain then that would mean your liver is inflammed, right? That might be something to get tested. Pain in that area is also commonly associated with gallbladder, too.

My liver enzymes were tested normal. I feel I get this pain whenever I take anything to detoxify, even though most would consider what Im doing gentle, Im just really sensitive to everything. Can you imagine how I would feel doing a liver flush. Yikes.

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Vicky, I heard of that drink. Its from a protocol from a naturopath years ago. It was called the master cleanse. The difference is the master cleanse was a 14 day cleanse where the only thing you drank was the water/maple syrup/lemon juice/cayenne concoction. I would be dead in 14 days. But just taking it in the morning is sensible. Has it worked well for you?

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I tried milk thistle. It gave me very bad intestinal cramps. It was not gentle at all!


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Vicky, I heard of that drink. Its from a protocol from a naturopath years ago. It was called the master cleanse. The difference is the master cleanse was a 14 day cleanse where the only thing you drank was the water/maple syrup/lemon juice/cayenne concoction. I would be dead in 14 days. But just taking it in the morning is sensible. Has it worked well for you?

I found that it helped me with energy and I definitely have felt better. I think that one of the main keys is to keep well hydrated and to stick with organic and unprocessed foods. The homeopath that I saw had never mentioned doing the protocol for 14 days. He felt it was "enough" to drink that once per day and to then keep up with drinking purified water during the rest of the day along with a diet filled with plenty of raw fruits and veggies....no refined products, dairy, sugar or any man-made chemicals and colorings. He did mention the liver/gallbladder flush and gave us a handout on how to do it....we haven't gone there yet (he told us that it wasn't necessary with our current diet as ours was better than his was at present). lol! It's not that I doubt that it would work nor do I think that the protocol would be too hard on the system....it's just that we are currently eating very sensibly and I juice like mad at home. I don't really think that we "need" that kind of flush at the moment.

But as a side note, I can tell you that my co-worker who has been following both protocols above has seen her psoriatic arthritis go into remission. She is of course avoiding multiple foods....but she is doing wonderfully. She is now doing some form of chelation as she did test positive for heavy metals. Her's is a natural form as she was allergic to the standard chelation products used.

With herbals....you have to be very careful as to how you do them and what you are taking. We were told to by tinctures and start off with one drop a day and then work our way up every 4 days or so. (We were told this while seeing the homeopath with my father who had terminal cancer). You can't just "jump" in at the recommended dose and expect everything to be fine. For people with serious health issues, you have to take it slow and be sure that none of the things you are taking have overlapping contraindications or better yet....that you happen to be intolerant to them too. For example, my father couldn't take Cat's Claw and IP-6 (Cell Forte) at the same time as they both were hypotensives that could act synergistically. But he could take them 4 hours apart which really helped him get through some nasty chemo side effects. His oncologist constantly remarked in his energy levels and how great his vitals were compared to at the onset of treatment when he wasn't doing any alternatives. We also discovered that he couldn't take astralagus (he was allergic), but he could take ashwaghanda (similar uses). It was very strange considering he'd never had a visible food reaction his whole life and yet broke out in a rash with astralagus.

If you go down the road of alternatives....please make sure that you cross-reference everything. I found that Sloan Kettering Memorial's site has some wonderful info on herbals and supplements which will tell you contraindications as well as direct you to the studies behind them. Very useful when trying to balance traditional medicine with complementary therapies. I cross-reference everything. I love our homeopath MD but even he encourages me to think for myself and to double-check everything so that I know what I'm getting into and that I can ask specific and appropriate questions if need be. Probably the best advice I ever got from a doctor....


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I did this liver flush thing about 2 years ago, before I found out that I have celiac. My girlfriend pressured me to see a witch doctor, and I agreed in order to preserve domestic harmony.

It didn't hurt me, but it didn't help. It's basically complete BS. Don't do it.

I'm sure there are legitimate naturopaths out there who are sincerely interested in exploring non-traditional treatments to help people who aren't being helped by traditional medicine. But most of them are quacks. I suspect most of the people who are 'helped' feel better because they tell you to do things like eat right and exercise. (Just don't listen to the part about eating lots and lots of whole wheat!)

Eating broccoli and cabbage for a few days will make you feel better that any liver cleansing.

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