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H.pylori And E. Coli

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holdthegluten Rising Star
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I got my results back from biohealth (GI pathogen panel) and i Have an H. Pylori infection and also an abundant amount of E. Coli...............what is the best way to treat this? I also had my adrenals tested and they are out of whack (high in the morning and night, but normal during the day.) Any advice from the veterans?

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For a bacterial overgrowth, generally antibiotics are given by a "western" Dr. There are more alternative ways to treat those kinds of things, but I don't really know about them. Others will come along and give you their advice, I'm sure.

About the adrenals, again, I don't really know. I am being tested for that right now, so I have no experience with that.

ravenwoodglass Mentor
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How are you feeling? If you are feeling ill the usual course would be to treat with antibiotics. If you are not feeling ill and these are simply findings then things could be a bit different. Ecoli is something that is normally found in the GI tract. That is why ecoli infections are generally linked to poor hygeine by food handlers or contamination in the field. If the level is out of balance but not enough to make you feel extremely ill, may be able to take care of balancing the gut with probiotics or stuff like yogurt or sauerkraut.

holdthegluten Rising Star
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How are you feeling? If you are feeling ill the usual course would be to treat with antibiotics. If you are not feeling ill and these are simply findings then things could be a bit different. Ecoli is something that is normally found in the GI tract. That is why ecoli infections are generally linked to poor hygeine by food handlers or contamination in the field. If the level is out of balance but not enough to make you feel extremely ill, may be able to take care of balancing the gut with probiotics or stuff like yogurt or sauerkraut.

The E. Coli isnt bothering me, but I think the H. Pylori is. I have been having some abdominal tenderness and may have an ulcer because i get a dull pain when i dont eat and sometimes a sharp pain. I think it has made my GERD worse also. My Naturopath says we dont need to treat it with abx, but Biohealth recommends using a prevpak rx. I dont know..........i hate questioning my ND because she has been really good and helpful and i feel better than i used to, although i am spending quite a bit on supplements.

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The E. Coli isnt bothering me, but I think the H. Pylori is. I have been having some abdominal tenderness and may have an ulcer because i get a dull pain when i dont eat and sometimes a sharp pain. I think it has made my GERD worse also. My Naturopath says we dont need to treat it with abx, but Biohealth recommends using a prevpak rx. I dont know..........i hate questioning my ND because she has been really good and helpful and i feel better than i used to, although i am spending quite a bit on supplements.

Have you checked all the supplements that your naturopath is giving you for gluten and other items that you are intolerant to? Most naturopaths are very good and they can be very helpful but some of them are not aware that even small amounts of items that we are intolerant to can damage us.

The one that I went to was very helpful, but I did find the two of the five supplements that she prescribed contain trace amounts of casein or soy. I did have to call the manufacturer to get this information, and once I deleted the supplements that contain trace amounts I felt much better. If you added in all the supplements at once you may want to stop the supplements for a short time, and then add them in one at a time to see if any of them are causing the pain. You may also want to try taking some Pepto-Bismol. When the pain occurs and see if that helps. The name brand is for sure gluten-free. I hope you feel better soon.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought it had been documented that H. Pylori is the cause of stomach and duodenal ulcers, and does not go away without antibiotics. The only thing that will happen if you don't treat it is the ulcers will continue to get worse and flare up, and you will spend the rest of your life on antacids. :(

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