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Gingivitis Or Food Reaction?

LuvMoosic4life

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LuvMoosic4life Collaborator
LuvMoosic4life
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I've posted about this before but couldnt find the thread.

I've ben getting little red dots in my mouth off and on. They arent painful, but not very pretty looking. The last time I posted about this I really didn't know what they were (and still dont) but it seems I get them when I am stressed or introducing new foods. They are ussually on the inside of my cheeks and I will only get one or rwo at a time....ysterday I opened my mouth and there was one right near my lip on the inside of my cheek. I've never had one this close to my lips before.....this morning when I woke up I tasted blood and noticed that the little red dot had burst.....its almost like it is a collection of blood that forms......this would explain why I sometimes taste blood for no reason in my mouth.....now I am wondering if these things are forming down my throat b/c I specifically have tasted blood a few times after singing ( I hope they are not on m vocal chords)

but anyways. I take good care of my teeth, floss rinse and brush 2-3 times a day. I havent been able to afford a dentist visit in over year, but decided to make one, I'm going next week. I've also noticed the gums receeding on two of my teeth (the same ones on both sides of my mouth) and it is very snesitive to cold and sugary stuff.... other than that my mouth is healthy....so I dunno

has anyone experienced this? is it a reaction to something I'm doing? or a gum disease? I would find it hard to believe I have a gum disease...but then who knows.....I never knew my whole life that I was gluten intolerant!! I really hope it isnt something more serious....

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Yes, I get these, too!!!!! Mine, I know, though are NOT FROM WHEAT/GLUTEN. I think they may be from nuts or peanuts??? Any thoughts on that? They are definitely food related. They popped up on Thanksgiving again.

If anyone could help us on this it would be so appreciated!

LuvMoosic4life Collaborator
LuvMoosic4life
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you know. everytime I eat nuts I start feeling like crap and noticed these pop up! It sucks b/c I love nutts.....I'm going off of them for a week or so to see if I feel better.

jewi0008 Contributor
jewi0008
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Let me know what happens!!!! My mouth gets REALLY funny...not just the blood things. And I have terrible bm's!!!

you know. everytime I eat nuts I start feeling like crap and noticed these pop up! It sucks b/c I love nutts.....I'm going off of them for a week or so to see if I feel better.
LuvMoosic4life Collaborator
LuvMoosic4life
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I'll definitly post back after my appt..... hopefully the dentist gives me a better explanation than the school health center (they just said, "oh, thats wierd")

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have you gone to the dentist yet?!

I'll definitly post back after my appt..... hopefully the dentist gives me a better explanation than the school health center (they just said, "oh, thats wierd")
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I believe i finally figured this out.

Salt.

I normally eat all whole foods with very little sodium in my diet. I bought some corn tortillas the other day, i defintly ate too many because I could feel the salt irritating my mouth. I woke up the next day tasting blood in my throat, looked in, sure enough, thre were a few little red dots that have started to burst. It seems to happen whenever I have proccessed crunchy foods, especially corn. I'm going back to completley ignoring corn, I had over 8 trips to the bathroom with D today thanks to tortilla chips. Not sure which ones they were b/c I tried two kinds, Riceworks (which have corn in them) and Santitias...which I know could possibly be CC, but the D reaction happened after the Riceworks chips which I ate yesterday....I havent had corn in so long, so I guess I got my definit answer that I cant tolerat large amounts, if any at all.....I'll try again in the future...with a small amount :lol: ....

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I believe i finally figured this out.

Salt.

I normally eat all whole foods with very little sodium in my diet. I bought some corn tortillas the other day, i defintly ate too many because I could feel the salt irritating my mouth. I woke up the next day tasting blood in my throat, looked in, sure enough, thre were a few little red dots that have started to burst. It seems to happen whenever I have proccessed crunchy foods, especially corn. I'm going back to completley ignoring corn, I had over 8 trips to the bathroom with D today thanks to tortilla chips. Not sure which ones they were b/c I tried two kinds, Riceworks (which have corn in them) and Santitias...which I know could possibly be CC, but the D reaction happened after the Riceworks chips which I ate yesterday....I havent had corn in so long, so I guess I got my definit answer that I cant tolerat large amounts, if any at all.....I'll try again in the future...with a small amount :lol: ....

Those little red dots could also have been caused by CC and not by salt. Gluten can and does effect the oral mucosa. There are other countries where they use the mucous membranes of the mouth or the rectum for challenge and diagnosis so that folks don't have to be made ill for months on a food challenge. You also have to keep in mind that the D that results from CC could take as long as 3 or 4 days to hit. I am not saying you don't have an issue with corn, you may. But the best way to challenge that is going to be to leave it out of your diet completely for a bit and then consume it in as 'pure' a form as possible for at least a week and look for a reaction.

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I know I read somewhere that Celiac/gluten allergy can cause oral ulcers. I have problems with this too and have for a very long time -- on the back of the tongue -- and once I read that info., all of my gluten symptoms started to make more and more sense. After being gluten-free for two and a half months, the ulcers have gotten much better and smaller, though not completely gone.

So maybe even if they're caused by gluten and you've been gluten-free for a while now, perhaps your bleeding ulcers could still just be due to how long you had been eating gluten in your life, before knowing you had a problem. Does that make sense?

I'm not saying I'm right or I'm the expert... it's just an idea that I wanted to throw out there because I know I have problems with it too.

AliB Enthusiast
AliB
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The red dots are blood blisters. I have had them occasionally - usually near my tonsils at the back of my mouth and usually in response to eating plums of all things (which I now usually avoid unless cooked), but then I have had allergic reactions to peaches and nectarines and occasionally apples and strawberries and they are the same family (rosacea - apples, apricots, cherries, nectarines, peaches, pears, plums and strawberries) so its not surprising really. They all contain malic acid, citric acid and L-quinic acid in different quantities which may be why I react to some fruit but not others. I have reacted occasionally to certain types of apples yet I can eat other types normally with no problem at all. Weird.

People who react to the rosacea family usually have a birch pollen allergy but I am not aware of ever having had that. I can eat them all cooked with no problem at all. People of Mediterranean extraction who have a reaction cannot usually even eat them cooked. Even weirder.

I have wondered if it could be the fruit throwing the acid/alkaline balance in the body out - or even that if our bodies are already over acid the fruit can just tip the balance and that could set up the allergy/reaction.

Blood blisters are due to a food reaction of some kind. There is a possibility in your case it could even be caused by something the food is sprayed with or depending on what it is that is causing the reaction even an additive of some kind.

It may have been the salt, it may have been something that was added to the salt or it may also have been something in the tortilla ingredients. A lot do react to corn and although you may find you can get away with a few chips, perhaps it was the fact that you had too many that triggered the reaction and overloaded your body's ability to cope with whatever it was.

It could be CC from gluten but we can't always assume that to be the case. Many react to a lot more than just gluten.

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