Swine Flu Shot

[Jestgar]

What's your point? Viruses mutate continually, that's why they have a new flu shot each year. If the new mutation in H1N1 turns out to be a concern, a different version of the vaccine will be incorporated into the next year's flu vaccine.

Additionally, that site offers no citations. Where are their data from?

[travelthomas]

What's your point? Viruses mutate continually, that's why they have a new flu shot each year. If the new mutation in H1N1 turns out to be a concern, a different version of the vaccine will be incorporated into the next year's flu vaccine.

Additionally, that site offers no citations. Where are their data from?

The citations for the article are a bit strange being it

[sunnybabi1986]

My 2 year old son, husband, and myself have all had the H1N1 vaccine...we got it a little over a month ago.

I was very concerned about getting the flu itself as I had just gone off gluten a week earlier and was extremely sick. I'd had 2 sinus infections, several colds, and I was catching everything that went around. I had been very ill for months. My immune system was shot to pieces. I am very glad I got the shot, along with my son and husband, because I felt that if I did catch the H1N1 flu, I would likely end up in the hospital.

[travelthomas]

WHO warns of deadly bird flu, swine flu combo

WHO warns that with new H5N1 bird flu cases reported in poultry in Egypt, Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam, the risk of bird flu and the H1N1 pandemic swine flu virus mixing was heightened .

Hanoi: Vietnam's Ministry of Health says a man has died from bird flu, as the World Health Organization warns about the dangers of bird flu and swine flu combining.

The ministry said on its Web site Tuesday that the 23-year-old man died last week, and test results confirmed he was infected with the H5N1 bird flu virus. He had eaten duck blood pudding before falling sick.

Last week, the WHO warned that with new H5N1 bird flu cases reported in poultry in Egypt, Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam, the risk of bird flu and the H1N1 pandemic swine flu virus mixing was heightened.

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I wonder if the new vaccine will come out the next day after W.H.O.'s next announcement?

W.H.O. declares Swine Flu Pandemic on June 11, 2009.

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First batch of Swine Flu Vaccine announced on June 12, 2009.

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[calico jo]

I wonder if the new vaccine will come out the next day after W.H.O.'s next announcement?

W.H.O. declares Swine Flu Pandemic on June 11, 2009.

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First batch of Swine Flu Vaccine announced on June 12, 2009.

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Great posts, Thomas. The patent for the swine flu vax was obtained a couple of years before we even heard about it!

[Jestgar]

actually not, but have fun with the conspiracy-theorists.

[calico jo]

actually not, but have fun with the conspiracy-theorists.

Actually YES

US Patent #20090047353-A1, Novartis applied for Nov. 6, 2006.

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It stops being a "theory" when proof starts to pile up.

[Salax]

Actually YES

US Patent #20090047353-A1, Novartis applied for Nov. 6, 2006.

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It stops being a "theory" when proof starts to pile up.

Thanks Calico Jo for that interesting piece of info. Very sad, it's all about money isn't it...

[tarnalberry]

That is not a patent for "the swine flu" vaccine. It is a patent for a flu vaccine that works against a number of different types of flus. H1N1 was a possible type of flu long before we knew of the "swine flu".

1. An immunogenic composition comprising a split influenza virus antigen and a ThI adjuvant, wherein the antigen is prepared from a virus grown in cell culture and does not include any egg proteins.

2. The method of claim 1, wherein the influenza virus antigen is from a H1, H2, H3, H5, H7 or H9 influenza A virus subtype.

That's proof of nothing more than trying to get a more generic flu vaccine produced. Something that's been being worked on for *DECADES*.

[Jestgar]

H1N1 is a designation of an antigenic type. Open Original Shared Link Mutations within the type lead to virulence and infectivity.

Different strains of H1N1 have been responsible for other outbreaks as well, but these are completely different viruses. Open Original Shared Link Open Original Shared Link including the 1918 outbreak.

Please point out to me in that patent application where the authors designate the subtype.

[Fiddle-Faddle]

I find it interesting that it mentions that oil derived from wheat may be used: " In the grain group, corn oil is the most readily available, but the oil of other cereal grains such as wheat, oats, rye, rice, teff, triticale and the like may also be used."

The patent also mentions squalene, which is supposed to be banned in the US: "These emulsions may have from 2 to 10% squalene, from 2 to 10% tocopherol and from 0.3 to 3% Tween 80, and the weight ratio of squalene:tocopherol is preferably .ltoreq.1 as this provides a more stable emulsion. Squalene and Tween 80 may be present volume ratio of about 5:2. One such emulsion can be made by dissolving Tween 80 in PBS to give a 2% solution, then mixing 90 ml of this solution with a mixture of (5 g of DL-.alpha.-tocopherol and 5 ml squalene), then microfluidising the mixture."

[calico jo]

H1N1 is a designation of an antigenic type. Open Original Shared Link Mutations within the type lead to virulence and infectivity.

Different strains of H1N1 have been responsible for other outbreaks as well, but these are completely different viruses. Open Original Shared Link Open Original Shared Link including the 1918 outbreak.

Please point out to me in that patent application where the authors designate the subtype.

I am not a medical professional, nor have a science background. I read articles by those WITH those credentials and rely on their interpretations based on them having done the research. An article: Startling New Evidence That The 'Swine, Flu' Pandemic Is Man-Made

Novartis Patent Detailed And Mass Murder Charged

By A. True Ott, PhD, ND

7-26-9

indicates that the patent I listed is, in fact, the patent used to produce the H1N1 vaccination. In reviewing the patent myself it lists NUMEROUS antigen combinations. I also did a search and found that several other drug companies applied for patents and there are claims of "foreknowledge" by them, as well.

It makes sense to me that drug companies would apply for patents in advance that include a variety of combinations, to be prepared for any flu that arises. We know by history that there is a flu every year, and from time to time an "odd" one arises, bird flu, avian flu, etc.

Is this the "smoking gun" that I thought it was? Perhaps not, but Dr. Ott, and others believe it is.

Suspicions and distrust of drug companies are not unfounded or unwarranted. We all see the attorney ads on t.v. daily promoting class action lawsuits against drug companies for one thing or another. We are one of the only countries that allow direct to consumer ads by drug companies and they are protected! Why on earth are the drug companies being held harmless from any lawsuits for damages from this vaccine if it is so assuredly safe? Why is everyone so willing to be a guinea pig? It's beyond me, but it's everyone's own personal choice.

I also found it interesting in reviewing the patent that it calls for oil based adjuvant which squalene is AND a Bloomberg report several months ago mentioned that Novartis and Glaxo both purchased huge amounts of squalene. I realize other countries are allowing that in their vaccinations, but is a *US* patent appropriate? I mean, could a US company start producing marijuana, and though it's illegal here, have it be OK to produce it as long as it gets sold to a country where it's legal? (maybe not an accurate apples to apples comparison, but I'm trying to make a point) I find it suspicious.

I am a person who seeks truth. I welcome opposing views because it causes me to do further research. It is imperitive that everyone know the whole story of any substance being promoted to be put in our bodies. We are not a stupid people, we don't have to have information hidden from us "for our own good" (which usually means the opposite). We can make up our own minds once we have ALL of the information. Drug companies are good at hiding information from us until they get caught!! (and the FDA protects them)

Ironically, my developing celiac is what led me on the road to health information, and uncovering all kinds of troubling drug/diet information. Then my best friend was diagnosed with advanced cancer and we BOTH went head first into researching. There is a lot of scary stuff out there folks. Don't rely on main stream media to get accurate or complete information to you, because they're NOT!

I won't go on any longer because my passion for truth about health matters isn't "light"..and the forum instructions say to "keep it light". Plus there are so many political ties with all of this and that is also a no-no.

[Jestgar]

indicates that the patent I listed is, in fact, the patent used to produce the H1N1 vaccination.

I'm sure it is. H1N1 covers a lot of viruses. It's like patenting Fords without naming specific models. It covers a lot of options.

[psawyer]

That Novartis holds a patent in the US on something that is currently not approved in the US is not unusual. The process or product may be legal in other jusisdictions. Or not. But, should it become legal at some time in the future, Novartis' intellectual property will be protected. Without the patent...

[Jestgar]

If you go to the flu database you can search on H1N1 sequences and find more than 2500 entries representing different strains of H1N1.

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[calico jo]

I find it interesting that it mentions that oil derived from wheat may be used: " In the grain group, corn oil is the most readily available, but the oil of other cereal grains such as wheat, oats, rye, rice, teff, triticale and the like may also be used."

The patent also mentions squalene, which is supposed to be banned in the US: "These emulsions may have from 2 to 10% squalene, from 2 to 10% tocopherol and from 0.3 to 3% Tween 80, and the weight ratio of squalene:tocopherol is preferably .ltoreq.1 as this provides a more stable emulsion. Squalene and Tween 80 may be present volume ratio of about 5:2. One such emulsion can be made by dissolving Tween 80 in PBS to give a 2% solution, then mixing 90 ml of this solution with a mixture of (5 g of DL-.alpha.-tocopherol and 5 ml squalene), then microfluidising the mixture."

On Novartis' site it lists adjuvented vaccine for Germany (2 other countries , too, looked at it last night and am not recalling right now) but stated "MF59" which I believe IS squalene.

[Jestgar]

If you read that particular patent, it's a method for producing cleaner vaccines

In addition, the invention provides an immunogenic composition comprising a split influenza virus antigen and an adjuvant, wherein (a) the composition does not include any egg proteins, and ( the adjuvant does not consist solely of aluminum salts.

[calico jo]

I find it interesting that it mentions that oil derived from wheat may be used: " In the grain group, corn oil is the most readily available, but the oil of other cereal grains such as wheat, oats, rye, rice, teff, triticale and the like may also be used."

But it says: 26. The composition of claim 1, being gluten free.

??

[travelthomas]

Speaking of Swine Flu Vaccine conspiracies, it

[CarbQueen]

I haven't had a flu shot in over a decade, and I don't plan to start.

H1N1 was a nasty flu. I felt like someone just put my whole body in a vise and twisted it. I swear portions of my lungs were expelled with each cough.

The experience was like being glutened to the nth degree. Hey....what doesn't kill you makes you stronger...lol!