Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Multiple Sclerosis Workup


bny06

Recommended Posts

bny06 Apprentice

I was curious who all on here has been evaluated for MS and it ended up being celiac? I am almost 4 weeks out on a gluten free diet, and continue to have loss of dexterity/fine motor skills in both hands with numbness/tingling and i'm worried that my symptoms seem a lot like MS, so am now awaiting a workup for that too. ugh! Anyhow, anyones experiences/advice is greatly appreciated!! Thanks!


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



Reba32 Rookie

I haven't had an MS workup, but I have been tested for several other auto-immune disease like lupus, sjogren's and systemic sclerosis/scleroderma. I'm waiting to see my doctor again next week. I have those same symptoms, as well as constant vertigo and tinnitus, cognitive dis-function, all over pain and weakness and etc etc ad nauseum. I've so far seen two ENT specialists, and apparently the problem is not in my ears. The last one said my inner ears look perfect, good enough to show in a text book! Which is rather frustrating really. Once again, it's another one of those "you don't look sick" things.

I hope you can figure yours out soon! Unfortunately, once you have one auto-immune disease, it is not uncommon to develop others. I've got Celiac and had Grave's Disease so far, just waiting to figure out what else!

ravenwoodglass Mentor

I have had an MS workup. First they should test your B12 levels if those haven't already been done because low b12 can cause issues like your having.

I had an MRI first which showed white lesions very similiar to the lesions found with MS but not in quite the right places. They then did a spinal tap looking for a particular type of debris found with MS. None was found so I was told the while lesions, UBOs, were meaningless. They are actually diagnostic of gluten ataxia.

If you haven't been gluten free very long you may want to see if the diet helps resolve your issues. Some sublingual B12 may also be helpful.

bny06 Apprentice

Thanks so much yall! I have only been gluten free for almost 4 weeks, and i'm sure making lots of mistakes along the way! My neuro symptoms seem to be getting worse, defintely not improving! I have an MRI of my head and neck tomorrow, if it was something like MS I need to do something to stop the progression of losing my dexterity! It's freaking me out, and really interfering with my job and daily living!

They checked my B12 levels last week and i was told they were normal - i'm going to ask for exact numbers when I go back to the GI on monday. I have been taking the sulbingual B12 anyways for about a week.

I keep telling myself the likely hood of it being two separate issues is rare- that I not only have celiac diagnosed and the wt loss and malnutrition from that the same time I develop major symptoms of another disease (though I know some can go hand in hand - but to present at the same time?????) that it is likely celiac.. however I can't stand having this big unkown and my hands and leg continue to get worse if something may help.. hopefully it will just be celiac and I just need to give it some more time!

ravenwoodglass Mentor

Thanks so much yall! I have only been gluten free for almost 4 weeks, and i'm sure making lots of mistakes along the way! My neuro symptoms seem to be getting worse, defintely not improving!

Are you going with mostly whole unprocessed foods? That will help prevent too many mistakes. Be sure to check all supplements and drugs with the maker but be aware that barley and wheat grass can be in a supplement and it will still say gluten free so read the whole label.

When your antibodies start to go down and then you make a mistake or get CC'd that will flare the antibodies back into action which may explain why things seem to be getting worse. It also takes a long time for nerves to heal so it is normal not to notice much of a difference at first. There can be a lot of things that can affect the movement and feeling in your hands and the MRI should eliminate or find clues if it is MS or a pinched nerve.

I hope things improve for you soon. I found both acupuncture and physical therapy to be helpful with healing. Don't know if they are something that might help you also.

heatherjane Contributor

I've been gluten free for almost three years and have ongoing neuro symptoms (tingling, dizziness, ear pain, etc.), and they all set in after I started the diet. I'm very strict and mindful about gluten/contamination, and my B vitamin levels have consistently tested normal. My ears are also supposedly fine. I've been to a neuro and an ENT, among others, and no one can figure out what's causing it.

bny06 Apprentice

Thanks so much yall!! Well I had my MRI's and they look clean- phew! I got my biopsy results as well, and they were "normal" but i had been eating gluten free for 2 weeks so not sure what that means! My b12 levels were in the 1000's supposedly.. can you have B12 toxicity??? I started thinking maybe i have some wierd presentation of carpal tunnel or something?


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



ravenwoodglass Mentor

Thanks so much yall!! Well I had my MRI's and they look clean- phew! I got my biopsy results as well, and they were "normal" but i had been eating gluten free for 2 weeks so not sure what that means! My b12 levels were in the 1000's supposedly.. can you have B12 toxicity??? I started thinking maybe i have some wierd presentation of carpal tunnel or something?

If you have been taking the sublinguals every day go to every couple of days instead. I was doing some research on high levels of B12 a while back because on my last test they were over 1,000 also. I think I bookmarked the study on my other computer and will see if I can find it later but I seem to recall that in some instances too much can cause symptoms similiar to a deficit.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - knitty kitty replied to pothosqueen's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      16

      Positive biopsy

    2. - knitty kitty replied to Jordan Carlson's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      1

      Fruits & Veggies

    3. - knitty kitty replied to pothosqueen's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      16

      Positive biopsy

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,039
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Val70
    Newest Member
    Val70
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • knitty kitty
      In the study linked above, the little girl switched to a gluten free diet and gained enough weight that that fat pad was replenished and surgery was not needed.   Here's the full article link... Superior Mesenteric Artery Syndrome in a 6-Year-Old Girl with Final Diagnosis of Celiac Disease https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6476019/
    • knitty kitty
      Hello, @Jordan Carlson, So glad you're feeling better.   Tecta is a proton pump inhibitor.  PPI's also interfere with the production of the intrinsic factor needed to absorb Vitamin B12.  Increasing the amount of B12 you supplement has helped overcome the lack of intrinsic factor needed to absorb B12. Proton pump inhibitors also reduce the production of digestive juices (stomach acids).  This results in foods not being digested thoroughly.  If foods are not digested sufficiently, the vitamins and other nutrients aren't released from the food, and the body cannot absorb them.  This sets up a vicious cycle. Acid reflux and Gerd are actually symptoms of producing too little stomach acid.  Insufficient stomach acid production is seen with Thiamine and Niacin deficiencies.  PPI's like Tecta also block the transporters that pull Thiamine into cells, preventing absorption of thiamine.  Other symptoms of Thiamine deficiency are difficulty swallowing, gagging, problems with food texture, dysphagia. Other symptoms of Thiamine deficiency are symptoms of ADHD and anxiety.  Vyvanse also blocks thiamine transporters contributing further to Thiamine deficiency.  Pristiq has been shown to work better if thiamine is supplemented at the same time because thiamine is needed to make serotonin.  Doctors don't recognize anxiety and depression and adult onset ADHD as early symptoms of Thiamine deficiency. Stomach acid is needed to digest Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) in fruits and vegetables.  Ascorbic acid left undigested can cause intestinal upsets, anxiety, and heart palpitations.   Yes, a child can be born with nutritional deficiencies if the parents were deficient.  Parents who are thiamine deficient have offspring with fewer thiamine transporters on cell surfaces, making thiamine deficiency easier to develop in the children.  A person can struggle along for years with subclinical vitamin deficiencies.  Been here, done this.  Please consider supplementing with Thiamine in the form TTFD (tetrahydrofurfuryl disulfide) which helps immensely with dysphagia and neurological symptoms like anxiety, depression, and ADHD symptoms.  Benfotiamine helps with improving intestinal health.  A B Complex and NeuroMag (a magnesium supplement), and Vitamin D are needed also.
    • knitty kitty
      @pothosqueen, Welcome to the tribe! You'll want to get checked for nutritional deficiencies and start on supplementation of B vitamins, especially Thiamine Vitamin B 1.   There's some scientific evidence that the fat pad that buffers the aorta which disappears in SMA is caused by deficiency in Thiamine.   In Thiamine deficiency, the body burns its stored fat as a source of fuel.  That fat pad between the aorta and digestive system gets used as fuel, too. Ask for an Erythrocyte Transketolace Activity test to look for thiamine deficiency.  Correction of thiamine deficiency can help restore that fat pad.   Best wishes for your recovery!   Interesting Reading: Superior Mesenteric Artery Syndrome in a 6-Year-Old Girl with Final Diagnosis of Celiac Disease https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31089433/#:~:text=Affiliations,tissue and results in SMAS.  
    • trents
      Wow! You're pretty young to have a diagnosis of SMA syndrome. But youth also has its advantages when it comes to healing, without a doubt. You might be surprised to find out how your health improves and how much better you feel once you eliminate gluten from your diet. Celiac disease is an autoimmune disorder that, when gluten is consumed, triggers an attack on the villous lining of the small bowel. This is the section of the intestines where all our nutrition is absorbed. It is made up of billions of tiny finger-like projections that create a tremendous surface area for absorbing nutrients. For the person with celiac disease, unchecked gluten consumption generates inflammation that wears down these fingers and, over time, greatly reduces the nutrient absorbing efficiency of the small bowel lining. This can generate a whole host of other nutrient deficiency related medical problems. We also now know that the autoimmune reaction to gluten is not necessarily limited to the lining of the small bowel such that celiac disease can damage other body systems and organs such as the liver and the joints and cause neurological problems.  It can take around two years for the villous lining to completely heal but most people start feeling better well before then. It's also important to realize that celiac disease can cause intolerance to some other foods whose protein structures are similar to gluten. Chief among them are dairy and oats but also eggs, corn and soy. Just keep that in mind.
    • pothosqueen
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.