Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

How Much Gluten, For How Long, Must You Eat Before Testing?


tom

Recommended Posts

psawyer Proficient

We are in a position to answer the original question. We are not in a position to tell his doctors how to diagnose celiac disease. We are all aware that some doctors still insist on a positive biopsy result before making a diagnosis. We don't know why the OP is concerned--maybe a documented diagnosis is needed to get accommodations at school, or for some other reason.

I see nothing in the OP to say that a diagnosis of celiac disease has already been made.

He has positive blood tests, and his medical team want to do a biopsy. He has a question about that. Let's keep our responses to that question. The member posted once, looking for an answer. He hasn't been logged on since before Tom's first reply. When he comes back, he will see this mess.

He did not ask us to diagnose--he asked about the accuracy of the biopsy under his specific circumstances. Please confine your replies to the original question.


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



IrishHeart Veteran

I would love to live in a world where each and every doctor would diagnose based on positive blood work regardless of biopsy result. I just don't think that is our current reality.

......as it was back in 2005.

I knew the minute I posted that article that the date of it would be used as a reason to dismiss it.

The truth is, it would be great if everyone had a positive blood test too. There is more work getting a "proper diagnosis" than there needs to be.

I still think the article raises one important issue: many studies conclude with a different opinion about biopsies and "how much gluten is enough".

I still can't find a definitive answer , but the “suggested” average is 2--3 months (Dr. Green) and the Univ. of Chicago Celiac Center information Karen has posted.

The most recent article I read (2012)

regarding the gluten challenge discussed a 2 -week challenge with "just 1.5 pieces of bread"

and provided this conclusion: "over 75%" of the 20 people” in the study "met the criteria for celiac disease".

However, it should be noted that these were 20 adults with biopsy-proven celiac disease, so I do not see how that is at all relevant to the OP's situation.

The article I posted, despite it being dated, says essentially the same thing Dr. Green and others have said:

“A variety of opinions have been offered regarding how much gluten, for how long, should result in a definitive biopsy. The reality is that no such recommendation is consistent with the medical literature “

If the doctor is following the protocol of the "gold standard" which requires a positive biopsy as a means of determining that someone has celiac, then what choice does someone have but to go gluten heavy (and I used that term just to differentiate it from gluten light) and hope for the best.

This whole discussion is based on the fact that the allergist said: go gluten free and now, the GI thinks 7-10 days is sufficient for a gluten challenge.

Maybe it is.

But, if the biopsy is negative, then what?

The OP still has positive blood work. Those of us who tested negative on celiac blood panels would have found that sufficient and it would have spared us years of illness.

Hopefully, s/he will adopt a strict gluten-free diet and never look back.

As more and more of these threads about the gluten challenge appear, I think maybe we all need to say "we don't really know" more often.

As for me, I will just avoid them from now on. :lol:

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - Scatterbrain replied to Scatterbrain's topic in Sports and Fitness
      3

      Feel like I’m starting over

    2. - Kirita replied to Kirita's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      2

      Recovery from gluten challenge

    3. - Scott Adams replied to Kirita's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      2

      Recovery from gluten challenge

    4. - Scott Adams replied to Colleen H's topic in Related Issues & Disorders
      1

      Brain fog

    5. - trents replied to Scatterbrain's topic in Sports and Fitness
      3

      Feel like I’m starting over


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):



  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      132,285
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Kenny Waites
    Newest Member
    Kenny Waites
    Joined

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):


  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):





  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):



  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • Scatterbrain
      Thanks to those who have replied.  To Cristina, my symptoms are as follows: Dizziness, lightheaded, headaches (mostly sinus), jaw/neck pain, severe tinnitus, joint stiffness, fatigue, irregular heart rate, post exercise muscle fatigue and soreness, brain fog, insomnia.  Generally feeling unwell. To Trents, We didn’t do any of the construction but did visit the job site quite often.  While getting the old house ready we stirred up a lot of dust and I’m sure mold but haven’t been back there for over a month.
    • Kirita
      Thank you so much for your response! I have a follow-up appointment with her pediatrician next week, and also an appointment with her pediatric GI Dr. Your message gives me some ideas for questions to ask the doctors. My daughter went strictly gluten-free in January following her first endoscopy so I’m guessing her diet is pretty solid. She is compliant but also reliant on others to make her food (at school and home) but she didn’t have this problem prior to the gluten challenge when she went strictly gluten-free. It really makes sense to me that the gluten challenge inflammation hasn’t healed and I will be asking her doctors about nutritional issues. I ask for anecdotal stories because the research surrounding the gluten challenge seems to be inconsistent and inconclusive (at least what I’ve been able to find!). Thank you so much for your response!
    • Scott Adams
      While the positive endoscopy confirms the diagnosis, it's important to be skeptical of the idea that your daughter will simply "bounce back" to a pre-challenge state. The gluten challenge was essentially a controlled, prolonged exposure that likely caused significant inflammation and damage to her system; it's not surprising that recovery is slow and that a subsequent exposure hit her so hard. The persistent fatigue is a major red flag that her body is still struggling, potentially indicating that the initial damage hasn't fully healed or that her system is now in a heightened state of reactivity. Rather than seeking anecdotal timelines from others, her experience underscores the critical need for close follow-up with her gastroenterologist to rule out other nutrient deficiencies commonly caused by celiac flare-ups, like iron or B12, and to consult with a dietitian to scrutinize her diet for any hidden sources of cross-contamination that could be perpetuating her symptoms. The most common nutrient deficiencies associated with celiac disease that may lead to testing for the condition include iron, vitamin D, folate (vitamin B9), vitamin B12, calcium, zinc, and magnesium.  Unfortunately many doctors, including my own doctor at the time, don't do extensive follow up testing for a broad range of nutrient deficiencies, nor recommend that those just diagnosed with celiac disease take a broad spectrum vitamin/mineral supplement, which would greatly benefit most, if not all, newly diagnosed celiacs.      
    • Scott Adams
      The most common nutrient deficiencies associated with celiac disease that may lead to testing for the condition include iron, vitamin D, folate (vitamin B9), vitamin B12, calcium, zinc, and magnesium.  Unfortunately many doctors, including my own doctor at the time, don't do extensive follow up testing for a broad range of nutrient deficiencies, nor recommend that those just diagnosed with celiac disease take a broad spectrum vitamin/mineral supplement, which would greatly benefit most, if not all, newly diagnosed celiacs. Brain fog, like other celiac disease symptoms, does improve after you to 100% gluten-free, and supplementation will also help.      
    • trents
      Were you doing any of the new home construction yourself? Drywall compounds and adhesives used in construction have been known to cause problems for some celiacs.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.