Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Dgp


cmc811

Recommended Posts

cmc811 Apprentice

I have FINALLY found a doctor that was willing to order this test for my 6 yr old son after the TTG-IgA and EMA were negative. I have Celiac and he has symptoms so this is a test I've been trying to get ordered for over a year....

 

Anyway, since my diagnosis in March we are a gluten free household. My 6 yr old does get a bit of gluten everyday outside of the house (daycare, school, etc) but will that be enough for an accurate DGP test? I guess my concern is that it's such a small amount each day. After the work I've put in just to get this test ordered I want an accurate result!


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



Scott Adams Grand Master

For testing to be accurate they typically recommend eating gluten daily for at least 6-8 weeks before a test.

nvsmom Community Regular

I often see 8 weeks as the minimum and as long as 12+weeks with 1-2 slices of bread per day (I would round down for a child) as the suggested gluten challenge.  The DGP tests tend to change (ei. become negative on a gluten-free diet) faster than the tTG tests do so I would make sure gluten is eaten every day if you can - better safe than sorry.

 

Make sure the docs run both the DGP IgA and DGP IgG.  Good luck!

cmc811 Apprentice

Just want to clarify that he has NOT been gluten free at any point. I've seen the everyday consumption for 8 weeks recommendation but that was for someone who was completely gluten-free. Since my son has had gluten on an almost daily basis, just in small amounts, would we need to wait that long? I've been making sure he a good serving of gluten every day  this week. If I continue for 1 more week and get the lab drawn next Friday, would that be good? Ideally I would like the result by Monday, 12/29 for an appt we have. If it's negative though, I don't want to be second guessing whether the result is accurate or not...

cyclinglady Grand Master

What is your definition of "small amounts, almost daily"?

When I had my kid tested I gave her noodles, bread, cakes, crackers everyday in her lunch and added a few gluten dinners outside of the house for two months to insure an accurate result. She tested negative on the complete celiac panel and a CBC was ordered since anemia was my main symptom.

cmc811 Apprentice

He eats breakfast at daycare and almost everyday it is something with gluten in it (pancakes, toast, cereal, etc). I also send prepackaged gluten containing items like crackers a few times a week in his lunch. On the weekends he may not have any gluten at all though if we are home all weekend.

 

I say small amounts mostly to be conservative because I don't watch him eat these things since it's away from home. I don't know how much of the pack of goldfish he eats before he throws it away. I do know he eats a ton of breakfast at daycare though. They've commented several times about how much he eats compared to the other kids.

nvsmom Community Regular

That's probably enough, but there is no way to be sure. It sounds like he is close to a slice of bread per day. Perhaps up his intake just a bit, it's not hard with Xmas baking around, and make sure it is daily (if possible).


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



cmc811 Apprentice

Thanks!

 

Follow up question: if this test is negative, along with the tTg-IgA and EMA he has already had done (IgA was sufficient) would you do the biopsy anyway? GI said that would be the next step but I just don't know if it is worth doing. I know if I just trial a gluten-free diet and he's better I'll never really have a diagnosis for him but at the same time even if we do the biopsy we could end up in the same spot if it's negative. Either way I plan on trialing a gluten-free diet unless the dr has some miracle discovery between now and his next appt to explain his symptoms.

nvsmom Community Regular

It really is up to you.  Many parents find it helpful to have a diagnosis to keep the child gluten-free.  Apparently schools often respond better to a diagnosis rather than  just a parent's word about the matter. I haven't had that experience but I am in Canada so perhaps it is different (my kids are gluten-free without a diagnosis).

 

There are some around here who had a positive biopsy with negative tests but there are not too many... It can happen.

cmc811 Apprentice

Yeah, ideally I want a diagnosis for him, but I understand that he may have to suffer for years before a test finally comes up positive and I'm just not willing to let that happen. We'll see how the DGP tests turn out and go from there I guess!

nvsmom Community Regular

Hang in there. Celiac limbo really is a world to develop patience in... darn it.  ;)

  • 2 weeks later...
cmc811 Apprentice

So DGP result in and negative.

 

DGP-IgA - Result 8 - Negative is <20

DGP-IgG - Result 4 - Negative is <20

 

Earlier in the year he had a negative tTg-IgA and EMA, so at this time it seems unlikely we're dealing with Celiac Disease.

 

He did have an elevated ESR and he is severely constipated.....not sure what to do next. Doctors just seem to want him on Miralax forever instead of figuring out the root cause....grrrr!

 

May try eliminating gluten anyway to see if we see improvement. That and dairy. Any other suggestions?

nvsmom Community Regular

Going gluten-free is a good idea. Non-celiac gluten sensitivity (NCGS) is much more common than celiac disease but has most of the same symptoms, and they aren't all GI related.  Give the diet at least 3-6 months before you decide on it's effectiveness; some symptoms are slower than others to improve.  A food and symptom journal is a good way to track slow changes.

 

Best wishes.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - Seabeemee replied to Seabeemee's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      2

      Labs ? Awaiting in person follow up with my GI

    2. - xxnonamexx replied to xxnonamexx's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      45

      My journey is it gluten or fiber?

    3. - JoJo0611 posted a topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      0

      Yeast extract

    4. - trents replied to Seabeemee's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      2

      Labs ? Awaiting in person follow up with my GI

    5. - Seabeemee posted a topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      2

      Labs ? Awaiting in person follow up with my GI

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,166
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    AmynDevyn
    Newest Member
    AmynDevyn
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • Seabeemee
      Thanks for your reply Trents…most appreciated.  I am unfamiliar with celiac labs terminology so I wanted to know if the presence of HLA variants (DA:101, DA:105, DQB1:0301 and DQB1:0501) that the labs detected had any merit in predisposing one to be more sensitive to gluten/carbs than the general population?  Also,  I found what you said about NCGS very interesting and I appreciate you mentioning that.  I’ve worked hard to research and advocate for myself with my Hematologist and now with a new GI, since my bowel surgery and to maintain my Vitamin B12 health concurrent with keeping my levels of Iron in the optimal range. I’ve been tested for SIBO (do not have it), biopsy showed negative for HPylori, and have had Fecal studies done (nothing showed up) and I understand how a loss of a large amount of bowel could be highly impacting re: SIBO, malabsorption and motility issues. So I’ve managed pretty well diet and elimination-wise until just recently. That said, this new problem with extreme bloating, distention and upper girth, NAFLD just occured over the last 4 months so it is new for me and I thought celiac might be a possible issue. I’ll probably just continue on in this less gluten/carbs seem to be better for me and see how reintroducing certain foods go.  Thanks again.    
    • xxnonamexx
      Thanks bumped it up and now take all 3 vitamins 2 capsules each with the super b complex at breakfast. I will give it some time to see if I notice a difference. I am going to track my eating daily diary on a myfitness pal app to see if the "claimed" gluten free foods bother me or not.
    • JoJo0611
      Please can anyone help. I was diagnosed on 23rd December and I am trying my best to get my head around all the things to look out for. I have read that yeast extract is not to be eaten by coeliacs. Why? And is this all yeast extract. Or is this information wrong. Thanks. 
    • trents
      Welcome to the celiac.com community, @Seabeemee! The fact that the genetic testing shows you do not have either of the two genes associated with the potential to develop celiac disease (HlA DQ2 and HLA DQ8) pretty much ensures that you do not have celiac disease and the biopsy of the small bowel showing "normal villous architecture" confirms this. But you could have NCGS (Non Celiac Gluten Sensitivity) which would not damage the villous architecture. You could also have SIBO (Small Intestine Bacterial Overgrowth) or H. Pylori infection. Both of these conditions would thrive on carbs and you do say you feel better when you don't eat a lot of carbs. And with your resection of the small bowel, that could be causing it's own problems like you describe. When was that surgery done? You have had over 1 foot of your small bowel removed by that surgery in 2022 so that would certainly challenge digestion and nutrient absorption.  Edited
    • Seabeemee
      My Doctor messaged me that I have no sign of Celiac disease so until I meet with her next week I don’t know what the labs mean. I am being evaluated by my new GI for Celiac disease because of digestive issues (bloating, distention, fullness in mid section, diarrhea).  I also have been diagnosed with GERD and some associated issues hence the endoscopy. I also was diagnosed with NAFLD after an abdominal CT scan in December - which surprises me because I gave up alcohol 5 years ago, workout 5 days a week, cardio / weights and cook from scratch every night. Anecdotally,  I do feel better when I do not eat a lot of carbs and have been staying away from gluten 95% of the time until my follow up.  History: I had an emergency bowel obstruction operation in August 2021 for a double closed loop obstruction, open surgery removed 40 cm of my small intestine, my appendix, cecal valve and illeocectomy. Beside the fact that this put me in the situation of no longer being able to absorb Vitamin B12  from my diet and having to  inject Vit B 12 2x a month, I also became Iron deficient and am on EOD iron to keep my levels high enough to support my Vitamin B12 injections, as well as daily folic acid. I tested positive for pernicious anemia in 2022 but most recently that same test came back negative. Negative Intrinsic Factor. My results from the biopsies showed 2nd part of Duodenum, small bowel Mildly patch increased intraepithelial lymphocytes with intact villious architecture. Comment: Duodenal biopsies with normal villous architecture and increased intrepithelial lymphocytes (Marsh I lesion) are found in 1-3% of patients undergoing duodenal biopsy, and an association with celiac disease is well established however the specificity remains low. Similar histologic findings may be seen in H pylori gastritis, NSAID and other medication use including olmesartan, bacterial overgrowth, tropical sprue and certain autoimmune disorders. So my GI ordered Labs for Celiac confirmation: Sorry I couldn’t upload a photo or pdf so typed below: TEST NAME                               IN RANGE and/or RESULTS RESULTS:  IMMUNOGLOBULIN A :           110 GLIADIN (DEAMIDATED) AB (IGG, IGA)                            <1.0 GLIADIN (DEAMIDATED) AB (IGA)                                     <1.0 GLIADIN (DEAMIDATED) AB (IGG)                                    <1.0 TISSUE TRANSGLUTAMINASE ANTIBODY, IGG, IGA TISSUE TRANSGLUTAMINASE AB, IGG                                     <1.0 TISSUE TRANSGLUTAMINASE AB, IGA                                     <1.0 INTERPRETATION: <15.0 ANTIBODY NOT DETECTED  > OR = 15.0 ANTIBODY DETECTED RESULTS: HLA TYPING FOR CELIAC DISEASE INTERPRETATION (note The patient does not have the HLA-DQ associated with celiac disease variants) More than 97% of celiac patients carry either HLA-DQ2 (DQA1*05/DQB1*02) or HLA-DQ8 (DQA1*03/DQB1*0302) or both. Genetic counseling as needed. HLA DQ2 : NEGATIVE HLA D08: NEGATIVE HLA VARIANTS DETECTED: HLA DA1* : 01 HLA DA1* : 05 HLA DQB1*: 0301 HLA DQB1*: 0501 RESULTS REVIEWED BY: Benjamin A Hilton, Ph.D., FACMG I appreciate any input, thank you.         
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.