tooth extractions and gum problems

[AnneNewMilford]

I now need my sixth tooth extraction and three more are questionable.  I also have extreme gum receding. 

 

The dentists I've dealt with have no idea if its gluten/eating gluten-free related.   Calcium and vitD levels have tested normal. 

 

Has anyone else had tooth/gum issues and have any advice? 

 

 

[Ennis-TX]

Gum, and Enamel issues are common with this disease I have 4 cavities 1 dead tooth, a infected abscess right now and no money to deal with. I have a friend I just met yesterday who has this disease and he is going through this odd thing of is enamel practically flaking off and no clue how to deal with it.

Unsure of the exact correlation but I think has to do with a combination of immune system issues and vitamin absorption issues. I have some study material that talked about other nutrients related to tooth and gum issues that are made worse by this disease. But yes it is very frustrating brushing 2-3 times a day a hour or so after each meal, flossing, and mouthwash and still getting these issues. I think it was CQ10? and something else for the gum issues. I will get back to this in the next 24 hours with a listing...I should be looking into this for my own health and supplementing more of it lol. PS many time just because your levels show fine does not mean you could not benefit from supplementing a little bit. The Daily Recommended dosing and the amount in your test are just the NORMAL person base line those with other health complications can have different requirements and metabolisms.

[cyclinglady]

5 hours ago, AnneNewMilford said:

I now need my sixth tooth extraction and three more are questionable.  I also have extreme gum receding. 

 

The dentists I've dealt with have no idea if its gluten/eating gluten-free related.   Calcium and vitD levels have tested normal. 

 

Has anyone else had tooth/gum issues and have any advice? 

 

 

Have you been diagnosed with celiac disease?  I can not tell by your post if you are or have been gluten free and if so, for how long?  Many things besides celiac disease can cause tooth decay.  

 

[Posterboy]

6 hours ago, AnneNewMilford said:

I now need my sixth tooth extraction and three more are questionable.  I also have extreme gum receding. 

 

The dentists I've dealt with have no idea if its gluten/eating gluten-free related.   Calcium and vitD levels have tested normal. 

 

Has anyone else had tooth/gum issues and have any advice? 

 

 

AnneNewMilford,

Dental problems are very high in Celiac's.

Here is  globe and mail article that summarizes the research.

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"Researchers from the University of Pavia, Italy, detected enamel defects in 46 out of 54 patients with celiac disease – or 85 per cent."

Count me in that 85% I have had horrible dental problems and have had to get a denture 20 years too early.

here is the abstract that is cited in the globe and mail article.

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Here is  good link to share with your dentist.

It is actually written by the Canadian Dentist Association for Dentists.

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I hope this is helpful.

Posterboy by the grace of God,

[AnneNewMilford]

Ennis- Yes I do take 5000iu of D daily, and calcium, and various other supplements but like you said, is my body actually absorbing any of it?  Sigh.  I'm going to google about CQ10 I am unaware of it.  

 

cyclelady- yes Celiac as well as pancreatic enzyme deficiency.  I was tested and diagnosed Celiac 40 years ago.  I follow strict gluten-free diet.  Sigh again.

 

posterboy-  Thanks so much for those links!  I've printed and will be sharing with my dentist.

 

 

 

[cyclinglady]

Have you had a bone scan?  I have osteoporosis as a result of celiac disease.  What about other autoimmune issues that may have developed like Sjogren’s Syndrome that could impact your teeth?  

I had my first molar extraction due to a severe infection last year (failed old root canal).   The extraction revealed poor enamel on the teeth next to it which my dentist addressed.  I can not get an implant as the bone graft did not work.  I now wear a retainer keep my teeth in place, because I do not want a bridge that could and probably will eventually compromise my other two teeth.  In the meantime, I go to the dentist 3 or 4 times a year to keep my teeth in shape.  Well worth the extra money!  

[Posterboy]

On 3/16/2018 at 2:22 PM, Ennis_TX said:

I think it was CQ10?

Ennis_Tx,

Good call/memory.

Here is the research on how CoQ10 can help periodontal disease.

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I had taken it before for BP but might start taken it again because apparently it can help a lot of things.

here is a good overview on it at livestrong

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and what I think is funny about this article is they lists the benefits as "bad side effects" because they/it replaces interferes with what you take drugs to replace the CoQ10 with.

The last time I took it I was replacing what statin's were blocking for and why I don't like statins.

Now that I know it can (possibly) help my blood sugar too I plan on trying it again.

see also this livestrong article about how it helps Blood pressure.

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Note: it can take a month to notice the effect if you are taking it for BP.

I plan on trying it again to see if it helps my blood sugar in that time too!

It is a little late for the teeth/gum issues for me.

Ennis_tx I had the same problems as your friend before I had to get my partial.   My enamel would just splinter off or my tooth would chip.

I have one right now that I am going  to need get extracted soon despite having it worked on only a few years ago because it "flaked/chipped" on me.

Again I hope this is helpful and this is not medical advice but I think Ennis_tx is right (Anne) you might want to look in to some CoQ10 if you can afford it.

It can run $20 to 30 a month though easily and why I went to Folic Acid for my go to BP treatment(s).

But knowing now it can (possibly) help my triglycerides, cholesterol and possibly my blood sugar I think it might be worth trying again.

It is also good for the heart too!

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just the first google site that came up but there are many others about CoQ10s benefit to the heart and why I hate to take statin's so much. . . beside they causing me muscle soreness and memory issues (no the doctor's) don't recognize/acknowledge this about statin's)

Taking statins actually can block CoQ10 production in the body but I didn't think I needed to take CoQ10 after stopping my statins but maybe I was wrong.

**** this is not medical advice but I hope it is helpful.

I am going to ask my doctor'  if I can get a prescription for it but my nurse didn't seem to be encouraged by  my suggestion when I talked to her about it.

maybe the pharmacist will know if I can a prescription for it to  help out with the costs?

Off to see the pharmacists.  . . .

2 Timothy 2: 7   “Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things” this included

Posterboy by the grace of God,

 

 

[mom2boyz]

I've had dental enamel issues since childhood, my back molars came in with cavities already in them, and most of the rest of my teeth have enamel and sensitivity issues that have gotten progressively worse.  I found that brushing very well only once a day, every single day with an electric toothbrush and flossing every day in between my teeth up and down twice between each of the pockets at the sides of each tooth has helped immensely.   I haven't had a cavity in 10 years.  Too much brushing will wear down your teeth.  Brushing after meals will just run down the enamel on your teeth, because you're brushing with the acids in the food you just ate.  If you want to brush your teeth in the morning do it before eating breakfast.  I know it's hard but avoiding sugar, candy, soda, juice, sugar in coffee/tee helped me as well, especially with the tartar build up. 

[Posterboy]

mom2boyz,

Oral hygeine was not my underlying cause it was demineralization or enamel defects.

see this niddk article about it.

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"Dental enamel problems stemming from celiac disease involve permanent dentition and include tooth discoloration—white, yellow, or brown spots on the teeth—poor enamel formation, pitting or banding of teeth, and mottled or translucent-looking teeth. The imperfections are symmetrical and often appear on the incisors and molars."

I had all these symptom's plus chippping but my dentist never thought that my dental problems could be/have a nutritional cause which I think is common among dentist because there is no awareness of Celiac' disease generally at least in the US about this connection.

It just all must be poor hygeine and it is more common in kids but . . .. I/my teeth never recovered from the poor nutrition of my youth.

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“Dentists mostly say it’s from fluoride, that the mother took tetracycline, or that there was an illness early on,” said Peter H.R. Green, M.D., director of the Celiac Disease Center at Columbia University. “Celiac disease isn’t on the radar screen of dentists in this country. Dentists should be made aware of these manifestations to help them identify people and get them to see their doctors so they can exclude celiac disease.”

"Green just completed a U.S. study with his dental colleague, Ted Malahias, D.D.S., that demonstrates celiac disease is highly associated with dental enamel defects in childhood—most likely due to the onset of celiac disease during enamel formation. The study, which did not identify a similar association in adults, concluded that all physician education about celiac disease should include information about the significance of dental enamel defects."

you might also have your vitamin D levels checked I was apparently low for 30 years and never knew it . . . (despite having a seasonal affective disorder (SAD)) for years even into adulthood and we know of Vitamin D's connection to bone health but the doctor's never thought to check me for it until my Celiac diagnosis.

I hope this is helpful.

Posterboy by the grace of God,

[AnneNewMilford]

Cyclinglady...Yes I had bone scan in 2017.  Osteoporosis of spine and 2 hips.  Unpleasant results seem to be coming my way but have to be positive!  will look into  Sjogren's Syndrome.  Thanks!

Mom2Boyz...I had beautiful teeth till approx 10 years ago.  Sigh Always floss

PosterBoy...Had Vit d count checked few months ago. In good range but still continuing with 5,000 iu daily due to malabsorption problems. Gotta get some answers from specialist as to what can be done before getting my 6th full tooth pulled then 3 half teeth pulled.  The thought of dentures kills me...but seeing that bone graph didnt take for another is upsetting! Never mind the cost!  Thanks for your input

[cyclinglady]

I am sorry that you have Osteoporosis too!  I am sure that osteoporosis and menopause contributed to my bone graft failure.  I do try to chew in that area.  Without applying force the bone can continue to recede.  My retainer helps with the chewing while protecting the toothless area.  Exercising your jaw is just as critical as exercising the rest of your body to improve, or at least prevent additional bone loss.  Weight lifting, which I detest, is helpful.  Walking (per studies) really helps the spine.  I try to do a combination of exercises for the most impact and stress in my bones.    Right after my diagnosis, I spent a year on HRT as well.  I wanted to have the same bone-building opportunities as younger women.  Did it work?  Two years after my first bone scan,  follow-up scan revealed no changes.  But that could be interpreted  as being good sign.  However, my hips and rib cage no longer ache (making it difficult to sleep) and I have had no additional fractures.  So, I am happy.  I eat a diet that is conducive to building bone.  I take no supplements.  I live in Sunny California and take advantage of it while avoiding skin cancer at the same time.  

Celiac disease is often the root cause of  many of our current issues, but many times it is not.  Just keep an eye out for other autoimmune issues that may crop up.  

I am sure you will determine the best course of action for your situation!