B12 defiency + low blood pressure + inflammation in

[Lindquist]

Hi i wondering what causes inflammation in Duodenum and b12 defiency and low blood pressure? I got a inflammation in Duodenum 2019 and had very low blood pressure. And i got also Iron defiency and b12 defiency. So i eat my b12 metylkobalamin. Can celiac cause this?? 

[Oldturdle]

9 hours ago, Lindquist said:

Hi i wondering what causes inflammation in Duodenum and b12 defiency and low blood pressure? I got a inflammation in Duodenum 2019 and had very low blood pressure. And i got also Iron defiency and b12 defiency. So i eat my b12 metylkobalamin. Can celiac cause this?? 

 Hi Lindquist.  Yes celiacs can cause those deficiencies, as well as the inflamed Duodeum.  My endoscopy showed "extremely inflamed Duodeum."  When the pathology report came back from the biopsy, taken at the same time, it diagnosed celiac sprue.  I never had blood work done, but I just know that I must be absorbing everything better on the gluten free diet, because I have gained some much needed weight, and feel and look better.  Do you plan to have a blood test for celiacs?  If so, you know to continue eating gluten until the labs are done.  Good luck!

 

[Lindquist]

Hi no i can't contain eating gluten i don't  want to be sick in 3-6 month to keep eating that for a blood test.  I will get a test that show if i have the gen to have celiac in adult stage. As my mom had celiac and my grandmother. I think its genetic it must be it's nothing you are born with. This has coming up in adult age for me. What cause b12 defiency ? Is it from celiac or crohns or what? 

[Oldturdle]

10 hours ago, Lindquist said:

Hi no i can't contain eating gluten i don't  want to be sick in 3-6 month to keep eating that for a blood test.  I will get a test that show if i have the gen to have celiac in adult stage. As my mom had celiac and my grandmother. I think its genetic it must be it's nothing you are born with. This has coming up in adult age for me. What cause b12 defiency ? Is it from celiac or crohns or what? 

Hi again Lindquist.  Glad you made the decision to go gluten free now, rather than wait until you had a blood test.  Given your syptoms, and family history, I think you can safely say you have celiacs disease.  Low B 12 is usually caused by poor absorbtion in the small intestines, (celiacs, chrones, surgical alteration,) or poor diet.  Practicing alcoholics get this a lot.  Basically, B 12 is found in animal proteins.  Taking it orally, if there is a poor absorption problem, may not help much.  A lot of people require B 12 injections to get their levels up.  That said, if you have celiacs disease and go on a gluten free diet, you should heal your intestines very soon, and greatly increase your absorbtion of vitamins.  The "good" thing about having celiacs is that there are no medications needed to treat it, and you can go into life long remission simply by staying on a gluten free diet.  May I ask how old you are?  I was 69 years old when diagnosed.  Also, is there a celiac gene specifically for adult onset celiacs?  If so, I have not heard of it.  I am possitive for the celiac gene DQ8.

[Lindquist]

Hi no i can't contain eating gluten i don't  want to be sick in 3-6 month to keep eating that for a blood test.  I will get a test that show if i have the gen to have celiac in adult stage. As my mom had celiac and my grandmother. I think its genetic it must be it's nothing you are born with. This has coming up in adult age for me. What cause b12 defiency ? Is it from celiac or crohns or what? 

[Lindquist]

Hi again i'm 45 years old and i going to order from this site www.dynamiccode.com they sell a gluten gen test it shows you if you have celiac in your gens you dont need to eat gluten to show results. I live in north sweden and the site is in sweden. So going to order that for 495 sek. I hope it show me the right results then i will be glad.

[RMJ]

1 hour ago, Lindquist said:

Hi again i'm 45 years old and i going to order from this site www.dynamiccode.com they sell a gluten gen test it shows you if you have celiac in your gens you dont need to eat gluten to show results. I live in north sweden and the site is in sweden. So going to order that for 495 sek. I hope it show me the right results then i will be glad.

Please realize that not everyone who has the genes for celiac disease will actually get celiac disease.  The majority with the genetic predisposition do NOT get celiac.  

[Oldturdle]

21 minutes ago, RMJ said:

Please realize that not everyone who has the genes for celiac disease will actually get celiac disease.  The majority with the genetic predisposition do NOT get celiac.  

RMJ.  It is true that everyone who carries some version of the celiac gene does not get the disease, but everyone who has celiacs does have one or more of the gene's for it, without exception.  Lindquist is from Sweden, and celiacs disease is very prevalent in the Northwest Europe region.  This surprises me that such genes could survive the "survival of the fittest" challenge in a culture that has so long had wheat as it's main food source.  This was the same area that the gene that allows adult humans to digest milk mutated into being.  Fascinating stuff!

[frieze]

12 hours ago, Oldturdle said:

RMJ.  It is true that everyone who carries some version of the celiac gene does not get the disease, but everyone who has celiacs does have one or more of the gene's for it, without exception.  Lindquist is from Sweden, and celiacs disease is very prevalent in the Northwest Europe region.  This surprises me that such genes could survive the "survival of the fittest" challenge in a culture that has so long had wheat as it's main food source.  This was the same area that the gene that allows adult humans to digest milk mutated into being.  Fascinating stuff!

To weed out the gene, you have to take those with the gene out of the reproductive pool.  Remember that celiac can be related to 2' infertility. Had one. Can not carry more...there is your next gen.  celiac.

[Lindquist]

Hi again i can tolerate lactose in adult age and whole life of this mutant gen we have in Sweden from ancestors My doctor say. But i get lactose intolerant when i get gluten in me of mistake. That's why i get problem. I also lose many weight from 130 kilo to 67 kilo. Is this a example of Celiac to have slim arms, slim legs and a stomach looks im pregnant. 

[Oldturdle]

6 hours ago, frieze said:

To weed out the gene, you have to take those with the gene out of the reproductive pool.  Remember that celiac can be related to 2' infertility. Had one. Can not carry more...there is your next gen.  celiac.

I am guessing that those ancient folks carring the celiac genes got to reproductive age, (13!) Before they presented with serious disease.  

[RMJ]

8 hours ago, Lindquist said:

Hi again i can tolerate lactose in adult age and whole life of this mutant gen we have in Sweden from ancestors My doctor say. But i get lactose intolerant when i get gluten in me of mistake. That's why i get problem. I also lose many weight from 130 kilo to 67 kilo. Is this a example of Celiac to have slim arms, slim legs and a stomach looks im pregnant. 

Yes, that could be an example of a celiac appearance, very thin but with bloating.

For people with celiac disease, gluten harms the villi in the intestine.  The tips of the villi make the enzyme which breaks down lactose.  That is why people with celiac disease can be lactose intolerant until their villi heal.

[GodsGal]

8 hours ago, Lindquist said:

Hi again i can tolerate lactose in adult age and whole life of this mutant gen we have in Sweden from ancestors My doctor say. But i get lactose intolerant when i get gluten in me of mistake. That's why i get problem. I also lose many weight from 130 kilo to 67 kilo. Is this a example of Celiac to have slim arms, slim legs and a stomach looks im pregnant. 

I am not a medical professional. All of the symptoms you have mentioned can be caused by celiac. I agree that with your family history it is likely celiac. However, the only way to get a definite diagnosis is through the testing. 

[Oldturdle]

1 hour ago, RMJ said:

Yes, that could be an example of a celiac appearance, very thin but with bloating.

For people with celiac disease, gluten harms the villi in the intestine.  The tips of the villi make the enzyme which breaks down lactose.  That is why people with celiac disease can be lactose intolerant until their villi heal.

RMJ,  thanks for that tid bit!  I did not know that was why some celiacs have a temporary intolerance of dairy.

[Lindquist]

Hi again sometimes my poop stinking alot in toilet. I don't know what causing it if it's lactose or gluten damage. Can Artrofic Gastritis has with celiac to do also? I don't know why i get b12 defiency. Can anyone explain that? 

[GodsGal]

4 hours ago, Lindquist said:

Hi again sometimes my poop stinking alot in toilet. I don't know what causing it if it's lactose or gluten damage. Can Artrofic Gastritis has with celiac to do also? I don't know why i get b12 defiency. Can anyone explain that? 

Hi Lindquist!

My understanding is that the reason we get really stinky bowel movements is that the food we are eating doesn't get fully digested. The food then starts to ferment or rot. And what we smell is the rotten food we are passing. 

If I understand what I have read and heard correctly, most of the vitamins, minerals, and nutrients we absorb from our food get absorbed in the duodenum and small intestine part of the digestive tract. The finger like villi in this area of the digestive tract increase the surface area which allows people to better absorb the nutrition we all need. 

But, for those of us with celiac, the villi become blunted or damaged by the autoimmune response we have to eating gluten. That decreases the surface area inside our small intestines, and then we can't absorb as much of the things that we need. I am not a medical professional. So, I could be wrong.  If you do have celiac, then my guess is that the damage to your small intestines is probably the root cause of the B12 deficiency. You should probably also check for other deficiencies as well.

I hope this helps!

 

[Lindquist]

3 hours ago, GodsGal said:

Hi Lindquist!

My understanding is that the reason we get really stinky bowel movements is that the food we are eating doesn't get fully digested. The food then starts to ferment or rot. And what we smell is the rotten food we are passing. 

If I understand what I have read and heard correctly, most of the vitamins, minerals, and nutrients we absorb from our food get absorbed in the duodenum and small intestine part of the digestive tract. The finger like villi in this area of the digestive tract increase the surface area which allows people to better absorb the nutrition we all need. 

But, for those of us with celiac, the villi become blunted or damaged by the autoimmune response we have to eating gluten. That decreases the surface area inside our small intestines, and then we can't absorb as much of the things that we need. I am not a medical professional. So, I could be wrong.  If you do have celiac, then my guess is that the damage to your small intestines is probably the root cause of the B12 deficiency. You should probably also check for other deficiencies as well.

I hope this helps!

 

Hi thanks for your answer. Sometimes i say to people when i have by mistake had get gluten in me by food that people don't know what celiac is. I say it feels that "sometime it feels that something is eating me up from inside" can you people also feel that something is eating you from the inside cause of the pain? I also vomiting too i can not have my glass of water left inside me when i get gluten in me i vomiting. Is that normal?

[GodsGal]

18 hours ago, Lindquist said:

Hi thanks for your answer. Sometimes i say to people when i have by mistake had get gluten in me by food that people don't know what celiac is. I say it feels that "sometime it feels that something is eating me up from inside" can you people also feel that something is eating you from the inside cause of the pain? I also vomiting too i can not have my glass of water left inside me when i get gluten in me i vomiting. Is that normal?

Getting "glutened" can cause a variety of symptoms. Pain and vomiting are pretty common. 

[Wheatwacked]

On 10/1/2021 at 6:00 AM, Lindquist said:

i got also Iron defiency and b12 defiency. So i eat my b12 metylkobalamin. Can celiac cause this?? 

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The mean value of vitamin D in the entire study population was 19.9 ng/mL   https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-019-02142-x  Time trends of vitamin D concentrations in northern Sweden between 1986 and 2014: a population-based cross-sectional study 

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Vitamin D deficiency or insufficiency (commonly defined as levels below 20 and 20–30 mg/dL, respectively)...Vitamin D deficiency in celiac disease is common but does not predict AD. Psoriasis is increased in vitamin D deficient celiac disease patients. Assessment of vitamin D appears to be a high-yield practice, especially in those celiac disease patients who present with anemia.   https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3640651/  Vitamin D Status and Concomitant Autoimmunity in Celiac Disease

 

[Lindquist]

22 hours ago, Wheatwacked said:

 

Hi so i can also have defiency of Vitamin D too?? I have not check that up. I know i have b12 defiency of it's caused by Iron defiency i think. Could rapseed oil have gluten ? I ate yesterday bought potato balls and My face flare up to red. And the balls has also dextrose om afraid dextrose is from gluten. Because i had also a very big headache after eating this crap from supermarket.

[Wheatwacked]

...and the iron defiency could be from low D. Which could be a result of malabsorbtion from Celiac disease which could be worsened by low D. Vicious circle worth investigaing.  No, to gluten in rapeseed oil or dextrose. Maybe, perhaps, someone grabbed the flour instead of the dextrose in your batch. They are both white powder. More likely there is wheat as a binder in your potato ball ingredient list. Commercial potato pancakes, and many home recipes, have taken to using matzah meal, or wheat flour to enhance binding. I think this started around the time that eggs were branded unhealthy.  Eggs are the best dietary source of choline, which is needed by our liver. Three or four eggs a day (190 gm) is 558 mg fulfills the RDA (450 to 3500 gm/day).

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Recent advances in our understanding the association between vitamin D and anemia suggest that maintenance of sufficient vitamin D status may be important in preventing anemia, particularly in diseases characterized by inflammation.   https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4659411/  Vitamin D and Anemia: Insights into an Emerging Association

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Recent evidence has identified a prominent role for choline and one carbon metabolism in metabolic syndrome.

"Choline deficiency leads to Fatty Liver Disease. Choline Metabolism Provides Novel Insights into Non-alcoholic Fatty Liver Disease and its Progression"   https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3601486/

 

[Lindquist]

38 minutes ago, Wheatwacked said:

...and the iron defiency could be from low D. Which could be a result of malabsorbtion from Celiac disease which could be worsened by low D. Vicious circle worth investigaing.  No, to gluten in rapeseed oil or dextrose. Maybe, perhaps, someone grabbed the flour instead of the dextrose in your batch. They are both white powder. More likely there is wheat as a binder in your potato ball ingredient list. Commercial potato pancakes, and many home recipes, have taken to using matzah meal, or wheat flour to enhance binding. I think this started around the time that eggs were branded unhealthy.  Eggs are the best dietary source of choline, which is needed by our liver. Three or four eggs a day (190 gm) is 558 mg fulfills the RDA (450 to 3500 gm/day).

 

Hi again they say i'm intolerant to yeast in cereals and grain products. Can yeast intolerance have something with celiac in common?

[Oldturdle]

3 hours ago, Lindquist said:

Hi again they say i'm intolerant to yeast in cereals and grain products. Can yeast intolerance have something with celiac in common?

If it is "brewers yeast," it contains gluten from the barley it was grown in.  

[Lindquist]

Hope to get THE big test from imupro.com soon 

[Oldturdle]

I gave Imupro a quick glance online.  It sounds intriguing.  Did you do the 30, 60, or 90 test?  Did you need to go to a lab to have your blood drawn?  Do keep us posted on what results you get!  How long have you been gluten free?  I suppose the celiacs portion of this test would not be reliable if you were not eating gluten at the time of the testing.