Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):
  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Diagnosing Celiac


anniebeth

Recommended Posts

anniebeth Apprentice

Hi. I am new to this forum. I have an 18month old daughter that has always suffered from food intolerances. She was diagnosed with an intolerance to milk at only a few months old. After that, quite a few other foods popped up as well. Since these are intolerances and not "allergies" that (to me) means this is a problem with her gut. The pediatrician recently suggested celiac disease as a possible cause. We did a blood test, and it came back negative. This weekend I read an article in Parent's magazine saying that the blood test is not always accurate on toddlers. Why is this? Despite the food restrictions we are already living with, she continues to have diarrhea and is not even on the growth chart for weight. At birth, she was an average 7lb baby. I now feel that maybe she does have either celiac disease or gluten intolerance. I want to go gluten free. The doctor, however, feels that the blood test results mean that she is definitely not having problems with gluten. What should I do?


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



ang1e0251 Contributor

Blood tests can be inconclusive especially in young children. You can definately start a gluten free diet. This will tell you whether your child is sensitive or not. Your her mother, you know her best. Don't let any doctor or test results tell you what your instincts already know.

I hope she's feeling better soon. She's lucky her mom is so on top of her health.

Genna'smom Apprentice

My daughter had blood tests and they were negative but the only way we found out was that she had a biopsy done.

anniebeth Apprentice

Thanks. I think I'll go to the store tonight to get some gluten free foods...

mstroud Rookie

I think you're smart to question the results. I've heard many times that the tests can be negative in children. My oldest son (8) has Celiac Disease which was diagnosed via blood work and a biopsy. He was diagnosed after a year or more of chronic stomach pains, fatigue, and joint pains. His blood work was not horribly high, but the doctor said that we probably caught it early on. He also had a genetic test with the blood work which came back positive for a marker. My middle son had behaivoral problems and seemed to be tired all of the time ... I kept reading that could be early signs of celiac. He was tested and his results were negative, but he did come back with a double genetic marker (DQ2 homozygous). I also tested postive for the genetic marker (also the double genes), but negative on the blood work.

Sorry ... long story short is that my middle son who had negative blood work has done very well on the gluten free diet! His moods are MUCH more even (as even as it gets with an energetic 4 1/2 year old!) and his fatigue disappeared. I feel TONS better on the gluten free diet (had depression, felt very overwhelmed most of the time, and had stomach pains before the diet). So, I am totally agree that it's worth a try! This forum is a tremendous help in getting started with the diet!!!

Good luck! Margaret

The Kids Folks Apprentice

Hi AnnieBeth,

Our son also had negative blood work at age 7. Our ped's said that he didn't have it and sent us to a peds GI - who also felt that we should treat the symptoms and not the cause. (chronic C, slow or no growth)

DS weighed almost 9 lbs when he was born. Each year he started to slowly drop on the growth chart. Twice being failure to thrive (once at 4 months and again at 7 YEARS). You are good to believe that something is not right!!

After a few weeks of listening to the doctors treating his symptoms - I was like a crabby old mamma bear and said enough already! We started the gluten free diet and it has been tremendous!! He is like a new kids. We are starting to see some weight gain, and he has gained almost an inch in height!!

I read online about ?doctorceliac? who believes that the doctors should recommend the diet to help our kids get healthy and GROW now and they can try the gluten challenge when they are older. But his main thing is let's help our kids feel good now!

We opted to not have the biopsy at this point - we decided that we would go gluten free regardless of the results!

The Kids Folks

KaidensMummy Rookie

My 2 yr old son has been having the same problem but we have not had any testing done. The doc is telling us to go on a gluten free diet for 2 weeks to see if it helps out with the chronic diarrhea.

SO, now I am making up a list of what to buy! :) Good Luck


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



anniebeth Apprentice

So we didn't have any diarrhea today. We had somewhat normal looking poop. I think I'm going to stick with this for a while and see what happens.

ang1e0251 Contributor

Very good news! Looks like you are on to something!

kbalman Rookie

kuddos to you annie my now 18 month old son has been gluten free for a little over two months. After going through lots of blood work, biopsy (that they didnt do right) 2 gi docs, dietician (who wouldnt help us with out diagnosis) 2 pediatricians. We opted to try the diet. I have read several articles that say under the age of 6 tests are not accurate even biopsies. He also had severe failure to thrive, constipation, anemia , skin issues etc. He has finally gained weight is wearing 18 month clothes, grown and much happier.

Go with your gut feeling. My son loves his gluten free food. Also FYI if you email alot of the gluten free companies they will send you coupons.

anniebeth Apprentice

So we were doing well and then she had diarrhea this afternoon. I thought, "oh well, I guess that wasn't the problem after all." Then I asked my mother in law what she had for snack yesterday afternoon and she said "cheerios". I had shown her what to give for snack, but apparently they were at her house for some reason and she gave her cheerios instead. So. Would that be a reasonable time frame for a reaction? Should it have been sooner?

mamaesq Rookie

The reaction can be that quick. When I have something with gluten, I can tell usually within a few hours. Yesterday I licked an envelope (apparently a big no-no, and I had forgotten this), and then took a tiny piece of icing off of a cake, I figured since it was touching the part of the cake that was touching icing, I would be ok. Apparently not. A couple of hours later, I had explosive diarrhea. I'm not sure if it was the envelope or the icing, but I was gluten-free the rest of the day.

I am taking my 4 year old for a follow up to the pediatric GI on Tuesday, his bloodwork also appears to be normal, but I'm not convinced. He was 30.4 lbs at his 3 year appointment last November, and he's 32.0 pounds now. I think that a gain of under 2 lbs in a year is very concerning...He complains about stomach aches, has canker sores, and is constipated. I am tempted to start him on a gluten-free diet to see if he grows, regardless of what the doctor says.

Fiddle-Faddle Community Regular

You might want to report this apparent dietary response to your doctor.

He might want to do an endoscopy/biopsy (which DOES have risks, and anyone who says it doesn't is either mistaken or lying). It won't be accurate unless your daughter is eating gluten, though (same with the bloodwork). Both bloodwork and biopsy can be inaccurate in toddlers because sometimes it takes years to cause enough damage to show up on the tests.

He might want to continue with a trial of the gluten-free diet, which I think is much more reasonable--but doctors don't make as much money on that as they do on endoscopies/biopsies! And if there is something else going on, an endoscopy might show what. But you could always do an endoscopy later, if there IS any indication that something else is going on.

Be aware that gluten-free breads, cookies, pancakes, etc., are more difficult for a damaged tummy to digest. You might want to stick with plainer, unprocessed foods for a while, and go very easy on the gluten-free flours.

Good luck!

ang1e0251 Contributor

I react quickly to "normal" amounts of gluten, the same day. Smaller amounts I react to a couple of days later or even very small amounts, it takes every day exposure for a few days. But each person reacts differently. It's very reasonable to hear she ate a food one day and reacted the next. Put these foods in your food/ reaction diary and report them to her dr. I'd say that's a sign of a definative response.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,338
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Erica Johnson
    Newest Member
    Erica Johnson
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.6k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • par18
      Been off this forum for years. Is it that important that you get an official diagnosis of something? It appears like you had a trigger (wheat, gluten, whatever) and removing it has resolved your symptom. I can't speak for you, but I had known what my trigger was (gluten) years before my diagnosis I would just stay gluten-free and get on with my symptom free condition. I was diagnosed over 20 years ago and have been symptom free only excluding wheat, rye and barley. I tolerate all naturally gluten free whole foods including things like beans which actually helps to form the stools. 
    • trents
      No coincidence. Recent revisions to gluten challenge guidelines call for the daily consumption of at least 10g of gluten (about the amount in 4-6 slices of wheat bread) for a minimum of 3 weeks. If possible, I would extend that two weeks to ensure valid testing.
    • SilkieFairy
      Thank you both for the replies. I decided to bring back gluten so I can do the blood test. Today is Day #2 of the Challenge. Yesterday I had about 3 slices of whole wheat bread and I woke up with urgent diarrhea this morning. It was orange, sandy and had the distinctive smell that I did not have when I was briefly gluten free. I don't know if it's a coincidence, but the brain fog is back and I feel very tired.   
    • knitty kitty
      @Jane02, I hear you about the kale and collard greens.  I don't do dairy and must eat green leafies, too, to get sufficient calcium.  I must be very careful because some calcium supplements are made from ground up crustacean shells.  When I was deficient in Vitamin D, I took high doses of Vitamin D to correct the deficiency quickly.  This is safe and nontoxic.  Vitamin D level should be above 70 nmol/L.  Lifeguards and indigenous Pacific Islanders typically have levels between 80-100 nmol/L.   Levels lower than this are based on amount needed to prevent disease like rickets and osteomalacia. We need more thiamine when we're physically ill, emotionally and mentally stressed, and if we exercise like an athlete or laborer.  We need more thiamine if we eat a diet high in simple carbohydrates.  For every 500 kcal of carbohydrates, we need 500-1000 mg more of thiamine to process the carbs into energy.  If there's insufficient thiamine the carbs get stored as fat.  Again, recommended levels set for thiamine are based on minimum amounts needed to prevent disease.  This is often not adequate for optimum health, nor sufficient for people with absorption problems such as Celiac disease.  Gluten free processed foods are not enriched with vitamins like their gluten containing counterparts.  Adding a B Complex and additional thiamine improves health for Celiacs.  Thiamine is safe and nontoxic even in high doses.  Thiamine helps the mitochondria in cells to function.  Thiamine interacts with each of the other B vitamins.  They are all water soluble and easily excreted if not needed. Interesting Reading: Clinical trial: B vitamins improve health in patients with coeliac disease living on a gluten-free diet https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19154566/ Safety and effectiveness of vitamin D mega-dose: A systematic review https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34857184/ High dose dietary vitamin D allocates surplus calories to muscle and growth instead of fat via modulation of myostatin and leptin signaling https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38766160/ Safety of High-Dose Vitamin D Supplementation: Secondary Analysis of a Randomized Controlled Trial https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31746327/ Vitamins and Celiac Disease: Beyond Vitamin D https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11857425/ Investigating the therapeutic potential of tryptophan and vitamin A in modulating immune responses in celiac disease: an experimental study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40178602/ Investigating the Impact of Vitamin A and Amino Acids on Immune Responses in Celiac Disease Patients https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10814138/
    • Jane02
      Thank you so much @knitty kitty for this insightful information! I would have never considered fractionated coconut oil to be a potential source of GI upset. I will consider all the info you shared. Very interesting about the Thiamine deficiency.  I've tracked daily averages of my intake in a nutrition software. The only nutrient I can't consistently meet from my diet is vitamin D. Calcium is a hit and miss as I rely on vegetables, dark leafy greens as a major source, for my calcium intake. I'm able to meet it when I either eat or juice a bundle of kale or collard greens daily haha. My thiamine intake is roughly 120% of my needs, although I do recognize that I may not be absorbing all of these nutrients consistently with intermittent unintentional exposures to gluten.  My vitamin A intake is roughly 900% (~6400 mcg/d) of my needs as I eat a lot of sweet potato, although since it's plant-derived vitamin A (beta-carotene) apparently it's not likely to cause toxicity.  Thanks again! 
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.