Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):
  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Tragedy At A Local School Today


ravenwoodglass

Recommended Posts

ravenwoodglass Mentor

A local student committed suicide today at school with a shot gun in a bathroom at his high school. Those of you who pray if you could say a quick prayer for his family and the other students effected by this tragic event perhaps it will help them deal with this.

He had brought the gun and some incediary devices to school with him this morning and apparently decided not to attack others but to instead kill himself.

I will out of respect for his family not give his name but God will know.

Why does there have to be so much pain in this world?


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



Judyin Philly Enthusiast

Raven.......how kind of you to post

i sure don't have an answer to your question tho.

prayers for all those involved going up now..

flourgirl Apprentice

Those families have my prayers. It's so hard to understand these events at all. Are our children so full of despair, hopelessness and anger that tempts them to do these things? My prayers always are for peace...for individuals, for countries, for the world over. My heart goes out to them.

Lisa Mentor

It's so sad when our young people can't feel that they can go somewhere for help in desperate times. Peace for that young man and for his parents.

purple Community Regular

Thanks for posting and for caring. Kids really have alot to deal with. It's so sad they think life can't be different for them. They get stuck in a rut and go deeper, seeing no way out. God is always the answer. I will pray that God will turn this tragic situation into something good and for comfort to those that are hurting.

ravenwoodglass Mentor

Thank you for your prayers. I wish he had been able to get help before this tragedy happened. He must have been in so much pain and felt so alone. No child should feel so hopeless. I wish there was something that could have been done to help him. This makes me even more determined to become well enough to take in an at-risk child.

mushroom Proficient

The very sad part about this is that the kids who need the most help are those that internalize everything and are not overtly depressed. I can speak from personal experience that it is very easy (well, not very easy but it can be done) to put up a false exterior and behave as everyone expects you to behave, which is quite the opposite of what you are feeling. and which is really extremely difficult. Admittedly you are not the most outgoing person in the room, the life of the party; you are desperately trying not to be the wallflower, the one who stands out as being an oddball, and you do such a good job of covering it up that no one suspects how difficult it is, what is going on deep down inside. :( It is very difficult to help a child like that, and the reason is that there is such pressure to conform and be normal, that we try to do this at great personal cost, and we don't scream for help because that would attract too much attention. :( In the end we get desperate and we all act out in various ways, some destructively, some self-destructively, and a few of the lucky ones find someone who hears the silent scream.

T'is all very sad and I thank the powers that be every day for that person who heard my silent scream. I wish I could find her again to thank her. :)


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



ravenwoodglass Mentor
The very sad part about this is that the kids who need the most help are those that internalize everything and are not overtly depressed. I can speak from personal experience that it is very easy (well, not very easy but it can be done) to put up a false exterior and behave as everyone expects you to behave, which is quite the opposite of what you are feeling. and which is really extremely difficult. Admittedly you are not the most outgoing person in the room, the life of the party; you are desperately trying not to be the wallflower, the one who stands out as being an oddball, and you do such a good job of covering it up that no one suspects how difficult it is, what is going on deep down inside. :( It is very difficult to help a child like that, and the reason is that there is such pressure to conform and be normal, that we try to do this at great personal cost, and we don't scream for help because that would attract too much attention. :( In the end we get desperate and we all act out in various ways, some destructively, some self-destructively, and a few of the lucky ones find someone who hears the silent scream.

T'is all very sad and I thank the powers that be every day for that person who heard my silent scream. I wish I could find her again to thank her. :)

You are so right. I think this sort of thing really hits home with me mainly because of my suicide at age 11. If my brother had found me a few minutes later I wouldn't be here. I worked with at risk kids before I got to sick to work. In the years since far to many of them have died or gone to prison. I was very close to some of them and I have always felt, unjustified I know, that if I had been able to continue maybe things would have turned out different for the lost ones. It is so hard to be young and to have nowhere to turn. I also had a person who in my teens really 'saved' me just by being there and listening and giving me positive feedback, something I never got from my own family. Sometimes just a hug and a caring ear can help so much. I wish I could take every unloved child in my arms and let them know how valuable they really are. I know I am not alone in that and as my mother always said, 'you can't save the world'. But as I used to reply, 'I can't save the world but perhaps if we all try to 'save' just one piece they will add up'.

DakotaRN Newbie

My prayer has already been sent. Bless you for caring.

mushroom Proficient
I wish I could take every unloved child in my arms and let them know how valuable they really are. I know I am not alone in that and as my mother always said, 'you can't save the world'. But as I used to reply, 'I can't save the world but perhaps if we all try to 'save' just one piece they will add up'.

You are a very caring, loving person. You are so right in saying that we all need to do our little bit, however small it may be, to reach out to those in need, to hear their silent scream and be there for them. As you say, often it is just an acknowledgment, an encouraging word, a validation of self-worth, a hug, a compliment; for a child not receiving these things they can be very important. I am sorry you endured these things as a child, and so sorry for all the others still going through it and maybe not making it out the other side.

oceangirl Collaborator

I am so sorry for your loss- it is always beyond excruciating. I have a personal experience with suicide that took years of therapy for me to understand and I, too, have worked 8 years as a special education teacher in a self-contained program for students with emotional disabilities. In that time I have learned the hard lesson that you CANNOT save anyone but you can give them a safe place for 6 hours a day, you can give them love and understanding and show them alternative options to paths they've previously chosen and you sometimes can even take them in... (long stories there.....) BUT! You cannot save them. Sometimes, they get saved; they save themselves, really, and you can feel that maybe you helped a little bit. But life on earth is pain and anyone who says differently is selling something.

You, Ravenwood, are a giving, loving person and the world needs more of you. Your energy, kindness and white light spirit I suspect is always present everywhere you are: at the checkout with the cashier who needed someone to actually LOOK at her and ask how she was that day, with the homeless person on the street whose hands you stuffed a couple bucks into even if others caution he'll spend them on liquor or the angry teenager who flipped you off as you walked by but who you stopped to say , "hey, what's up?" to...

Being who we are makes a difference. And there will still be tragedy and pain here on the earth plane. I suspect it's because we're here to learn something. 'Course, I gotta LOTTA questions for the Head Honcho someday. But that's a whole other complicated discussion.

Peace to you and all people in agony- especially emotional agony.

lisa

Gfresh404 Enthusiast

In an attempt to answer your question "Why does their have to be so much pain in this world?"

I believe life is balance, no matter how unbalanced it may seem sometimes. There is so much pain in the world for the same reason there is so much joy. At least that is how I rationalize it in my mind. What's sad is that the news and media only seem to focus on the negative. For every story you hear about someone's life getting saved you hear ten stories about a bank being robbed, a murder, or a suicide.

GottaSki Mentor

:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

prayers of peace for he, his family and friends.

prayers for the gift of thoughtfulness to be brought to the children who grew up shoulder to shoulder with him.

continued prayers that all of our children have thoughtful guides to show them a better way.

ranger Enthusiast

So sorry to hear of this loss and will pray for the family. I had a rough childhood and many dark moments in my youth. My heart goes out to all. If only they could have seen the bright moments ahead.

Susan

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - knitty kitty replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

    2. - Jane02 replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

    3. - knitty kitty replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

    4. 0

      Penobscot Bay, Maine: Nurturing Gluten-Free Wellness Retreat with expert celiac dietitian, Melinda Dennis

    5. - Scott Adams replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,331
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Kristy2026
    Newest Member
    Kristy2026
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.6k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • knitty kitty
      @Jane02, I hear you about the kale and collard greens.  I don't do dairy and must eat green leafies, too, to get sufficient calcium.  I must be very careful because some calcium supplements are made from ground up crustacean shells.  When I was deficient in Vitamin D, I took high doses of Vitamin D to correct the deficiency quickly.  This is safe and nontoxic.  Vitamin D level should be above 70 nmol/L.  Lifeguards and indigenous Pacific Islanders typically have levels between 80-100 nmol/L.   Levels lower than this are based on amount needed to prevent disease like rickets and osteomalacia. We need more thiamine when we're physically ill, emotionally and mentally stressed, and if we exercise like an athlete or laborer.  We need more thiamine if we eat a diet high in simple carbohydrates.  For every 500 kcal of carbohydrates, we need 500-1000 mg more of thiamine to process the carbs into energy.  If there's insufficient thiamine the carbs get stored as fat.  Again, recommended levels set for thiamine are based on minimum amounts needed to prevent disease.  This is often not adequate for optimum health, nor sufficient for people with absorption problems such as Celiac disease.  Gluten free processed foods are not enriched with vitamins like their gluten containing counterparts.  Adding a B Complex and additional thiamine improves health for Celiacs.  Thiamine is safe and nontoxic even in high doses.  Thiamine helps the mitochondria in cells to function.  Thiamine interacts with each of the other B vitamins.  They are all water soluble and easily excreted if not needed. Interesting Reading: Clinical trial: B vitamins improve health in patients with coeliac disease living on a gluten-free diet https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19154566/ Safety and effectiveness of vitamin D mega-dose: A systematic review https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34857184/ High dose dietary vitamin D allocates surplus calories to muscle and growth instead of fat via modulation of myostatin and leptin signaling https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38766160/ Safety of High-Dose Vitamin D Supplementation: Secondary Analysis of a Randomized Controlled Trial https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31746327/ Vitamins and Celiac Disease: Beyond Vitamin D https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11857425/ Investigating the therapeutic potential of tryptophan and vitamin A in modulating immune responses in celiac disease: an experimental study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40178602/ Investigating the Impact of Vitamin A and Amino Acids on Immune Responses in Celiac Disease Patients https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10814138/
    • Jane02
      Thank you so much @knitty kitty for this insightful information! I would have never considered fractionated coconut oil to be a potential source of GI upset. I will consider all the info you shared. Very interesting about the Thiamine deficiency.  I've tracked daily averages of my intake in a nutrition software. The only nutrient I can't consistently meet from my diet is vitamin D. Calcium is a hit and miss as I rely on vegetables, dark leafy greens as a major source, for my calcium intake. I'm able to meet it when I either eat or juice a bundle of kale or collard greens daily haha. My thiamine intake is roughly 120% of my needs, although I do recognize that I may not be absorbing all of these nutrients consistently with intermittent unintentional exposures to gluten.  My vitamin A intake is roughly 900% (~6400 mcg/d) of my needs as I eat a lot of sweet potato, although since it's plant-derived vitamin A (beta-carotene) apparently it's not likely to cause toxicity.  Thanks again! 
    • knitty kitty
      Hello, @Jane02,  I take Naturewise D 3.  It contains olive oil.   Some Vitamin D supplements, like D Drops, are made with fractionated coconut oil which can cause digestive upsets.  Fractionated coconut oil is not the same as coconut oil used for cooking.  Fractionated coconut oil has been treated for longer shelf life, so it won't go bad in the jar, and thus may be irritating to the digestive system. I avoid supplements made with soy because many people with Celiac Disease also react to soy.  Mixed tocopherols, an ingredient in Thornes Vitamin D, may be sourced from soy oil.  Kirkland's has soy on its ingredient list. I avoid things that might contain or be exposed to crustaceans, like Metagenics says on its label.  I have a crustacean/shellfish/fish allergy.  I like Life Extension Bioactive Complete B Complex.  I take additional Thiamine B 1 in the form Benfotiamine which helps the intestines heal, Life Extension MegaBenfotiamine. Thiamine is needed to activate Vitamin D.   Low thiamine can make one feel like they are getting glutened after a meal containing lots of simple carbohydrates like white rice, or processed gluten free foods like cookies and pasta.   It's rare to have a single vitamin deficiency.  The water soluble B Complex vitamins should be supplemented together with additional Thiamine in the form Benfotiamine and Thiamine TTFD (tetrahydrofurfuryl disulfide) to correct subclinical deficiencies that don't show up on blood tests.  These are subclinical deficiencies within organs and tissues.  Blood is a transportation system.  The body will deplete tissues and organs in order to keep a supply of thiamine in the bloodstream going to the brain and heart.   If you're low in Vitamin D, you may well be low in other fat soluble vitamins like Vitamin A and Vitamin K. Have you seen a dietician?
    • Scott Adams
      I do not know this, but since they are labelled gluten-free, and are not really a product that could easily be contaminated when making them (there would be not flour in the air of such a facility, for example), I don't really see contamination as something to be concerned about for this type of product. 
    • trents
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.