Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Completely new to D, need help


Victoria1234

Recommended Posts

Victoria1234 Experienced

So yesterday was a teacher workday thing where they provided a light breakfast. There was a huge bowl of cut up fruit, which upon tasting seemed to be mixed with a bit of sugar, as it seemed a little sweet. Now I didn't have cups of it per se, but I did have maybe close to a cup of it. Plus some fruit juice. This is entirely unusual for my diet. I never have juice and I usually have 2 apples a day. And if anyone recalls, I tend very much towards the big C. I usually go every other day. 

so this morning I have been to the bathroom 3 times. No struggling with trying to go. Just a little crampiness a day voila, success. Seems a bit different colored than normal and maybe undigested a tiny bit, but I didn't have my glasses on, lol. I don't know what to do. This is so unusual. I haven't gone this much since my colo prep 10 years ago (trying to find out where all my severe abdominal pain was coming from back then.)

Is it from the fruit? Is this normal? Am I having a reaction to the fruit? Or again, is this normal and how I would be if I had more fruit in my diet? 

Should I ride this out? Eat? Not eat? Take Imodium? Help! Thank goodness this morning isn't a workday!


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



cristiana Veteran

I hope that I am wrong but once there was an event in town where someone who had prepared the fruit cocktail was ill ... any so was anyone else who drank it.  That said fruit can have this effect on people who don't eat it normally this way - once I heard two ladies complaining that they wished they hadn't eating fruit salad for breakfast the day they went sight seeing!

Do you have a fever?  That might indicate something of a virus?

I too am currently having all sorts of horrid gastric symptoms to do (I think) with going back to a normal diet too soon after a bout of gastritis, so I just wanted you to know that you have a fellow sufferer sympathising wiht you.

In the UK there is this thing that they don't want school children to come back to school until 48 hours after their last episode, so maybe you have a few days off ahead of you?!

kareng Grand Master

Fruit juice can do that to a person.... so maybe all that fruit sugar?

 

The thing I worry about is that people tend to rinse fruit in a colander.  some people use a colander that was used for pasta (hard to completely clean)

cyclinglady Grand Master

Yikes!  Was the fruit from a grocery store or did a PTA Parent cut it up at home on a possibly contaminated cutting board in her kitchen after she cut all the pastries into smaller sizes?  

One cup of fruit and you eat apples?   I would think not a fructose intolerance.    Maybe an intolerance to melon or plain old food poisoning (did the grocery store clean the melons or the parent used their smelly old sponge?)  MY celiac disease symptoms are never consistent.  Which makes it practically impossible to narrow down the cause.  If it resolves within a day or two, it was just a food intolerance and I can rule out celiac disease.  

There was a co-worker once who never washed her hands after using the bathroom.  We never ate her food at potlucks.  Gross.  No one had the guts to say anything.  So, I learned to not eat fruit or raw veggies unless I knew the person or it was prepared at least by someone with good health practices, like in a store.  I treated it as if I was traveling abroad.  

Just be careful with all those potlucks (they are endless at school and another danger is gaining weight!).  Getting to the bathroom can be a real problem when you are teaching.  You can not leave your kids (at least at the elementary/middle school age).  Dang, just drinking coffee can be a horror!  You want that bladder to be empty!  ?

I hope you feel better soon.  

Victoria1234 Experienced

Oh goodness I didn't think about other people being all gross while making the fruit salad. Or using contaminated colanders....luckily next workday at school is Monday so I can recoop at home today. Any advice as to whether to take Imodium or let it run its course? I guess I could use some clearing out, lol.

cyclinglady Grand Master

If it is food poisoning, just let it exit your system.  Keep hydrated.  But I am Leary of all drugs.  I react to so many (allergy thing...).  

cristiana Veteran
21 minutes ago, cyclinglady said:

If it is food poisoning, just let it exit your system.  Keep hydrated.  But I am Leary of all drugs.  I react to so many (allergy thing...).  

I agree, I think it needs to leave the building!


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



  • 2 weeks later...
Victoria1234 Experienced

Help! 

It's STILL happening!

When I take an anti-D med, it stops me up for 2 days, then comes back....

I'm so confused. This has never happened to me. Could it be I suddenly shouldn't be eating fruit? 

Gluten-free-01 Enthusiast
37 minutes ago, Victoria1234 said:

Help! 

It's STILL happening!

When I take an anti-D med, it stops me up for 2 days, then comes back....

I'm so confused. This has never happened to me. Could it be I suddenly shouldn't be eating fruit? 

Do you take any vitamin/mineral supplements or medications? It can be a side effect of magnesium citrate, for instance. I take magnesium (in the form of citrate) with B6 and can tolerate only half of the recommended daily dose - otherwise the side effect is stomach cramps/pain and D :(

I hope you feel better soon.     

Victoria1234 Experienced
1 minute ago, Gluten_free_01 said:

Do you take any vitamin/mineral supplements or medications? It can be a side effect of magnesium citrate, for instance. I take magnesium (in the form of citrate) with B6 and can tolerate only half of the recommended daily dose - otherwise the side effect is stomach cramps/pain and D :(

I hope you feel better soon.     

thank you, but I actually ran out of mag cit before this started happening, and haven't replenished it! I was trying to take it for the big C (which has been happening my whole life, until recently!)

Ennis-TX Grand Master
1 hour ago, Victoria1234 said:

Help! 

It's STILL happening!

When I take an anti-D med, it stops me up for 2 days, then comes back....

I'm so confused. This has never happened to me. Could it be I suddenly shouldn't be eating fruit? 

Hopefully just temporary but you could have developed a fructose intolerance....odd and scary things but we have discussed how if you eat something else with gluten or during a gluten episode there is a chance your body gets confused and forms a short term association with it and gluten. Results are a temporary intolerance to the food or a allergy. Perhaps remove fruit/sugars for awhile and see if it resolves. Other thoughts, the fruit could have had a bacteria strain on it or you might have developed a issues with gut bacteria or fungi issue. Again removing the offending fruit for a few weeks and starving it should help resolve the issues.  Just call it a 2 week diet drop fruits, starches, grains, and go to a low carb grain free fruit free diet for awhile and see if it improves, bit drastic but covers all the bases in that area in one swoop.

PS keep up that food diary and see if you spot some triggers.

One final thought get your antibodies checked if it was gluten they can stay elevated for weeks.

Victoria1234 Experienced
3 hours ago, Ennis_TX said:

Hopefully just temporary but you could have developed a fructose intolerance....odd and scary things but we have discussed how if you eat something else with gluten or during a gluten episode there is a chance your body gets confused and forms a short term association with it and gluten. Results are a temporary intolerance to the food or a allergy. Perhaps remove fruit/sugars for awhile and see if it resolves. Other thoughts, the fruit could have had a bacteria strain on it or you might have developed a issues with gut bacteria or fungi issue. Again removing the offending fruit for a few weeks and starving it should help resolve the issues.  Just call it a 2 week diet drop fruits, starches, grains, and go to a low carb grain free fruit free diet for awhile and see if it improves, bit drastic but covers all the bases in that area in one swoop.

PS keep up that food diary and see if you spot some triggers.

One final thought get your antibodies checked if it was gluten they can stay elevated for weeks.

Thank you. I will happily lay off fruit for 2 weeks. How horrible this is. I'm trying to get in rest room breaks with teaching ! People knocking and stuff. Thank goodness 3 day weekend.

I am so embarrassed, but does the er, um, color of the, um, poop, make a difference or provide a clue as to what's going on? Because it's been like yellow. Not super bright or anything like I just saw on the internet!!!!!!!!!! So sorry TMI.

cyclinglady Grand Master

Did you eat papaya?  Here is a release from the CDC.  They were sold in your state.  

Open Original Shared Link

Feel better fast!  

 

Victoria1234 Experienced
31 minutes ago, cyclinglady said:

Did you eat papaya?  Here is a release from the CDC.  They were sold in your state.  

Open Original Shared Link

Feel better fast!  

 

I don't know if Papaya was in that original fruit salad that was served or not. I'm not sure what it tastes like!!!! I know there was a bit of mango as I don't care for it, so they were branching out a bit, lol. I had salmonella as a child and I remember what it was like. I had to crawl to the bathroom it was so bad. This is just D that is going on since August 17th....

Thanks for the info though!

Victoria1234 Experienced

FYI I stopped the apples, but kept eating the raisins that were in the trail mix I make up from scratch. No other fruit have I been eating. Big D gone. As soon as I stopped the apples.  Not sure what this proves though. 

kareng Grand Master
3 hours ago, Victoria1234 said:

FYI I stopped the apples, but kept eating the raisins that were in the trail mix I make up from scratch. No other fruit have I been eating. Big D gone. As soon as I stopped the apples.  Not sure what this proves though. 

I think apples are one of those foods that pull a lot of water through with them.  Supposed to help with constipation......

Victoria1234 Experienced

Spoke too soon. Big D is back. No change in diet other than lack of apples since Ennis' suggestion. What is going on?

I never ever have had this happen to me. Especially for almost non stop 3 weeks. My usually curvy tummy is nearly flat for the first time in decades!

At least today is a day off from work due to a gunman in the school's neighborhood. 

Gluten-free-01 Enthusiast
14 minutes ago, Victoria1234 said:

Spoke too soon. Big D is back. No change in diet other than lack of apples since Ennis' suggestion. What is going on?

I never ever have had this happen to me. Especially for almost non stop 3 weeks. My usually curvy tummy is nearly flat for the first time in decades!

At least today is a day off from work due to a gunman in the school's neighborhood. 

I'm sorry to hear that. The only thing that comes to my mind that hasn't been mentioned yet is hormone fluctuations/imbalance or gynecological issues such as an ovarian cyst, a myom or endometriosis. D can be a symptom. I think a gyn. ultrasound and blood tests to check your hormone levels would be a good idea.  

Celiac's Wifey Explorer

Hey,

It sucks you have been sick so long. I was thinking food poisoning too when I saw your first post. (One year at my school PTO volunteers brought in dinner to teachers with a fruit salad bowl and literally every teacher who ate it was sick that night - one was hospitalized! I have been super suspicious of fruit salad sitting out ever since.)

This has been going on so long it doesn't seem like it could be that unless  ? if celiac had depleted your healthy gut biome, you might have gotten colonized by a bad bacterial e.coli strain?  Maybe? I read this thing about ESBLs and thought maybe you should have a doc investigate incase you do need treatment for it:

Open Original Shared Link

(I have no idea if it will be helpful, but I can't imagine  ongoing d is much fun during a work day either....)

Good luck!

quick p.s. my Auntie swear honey is the best way to tackle D. If you do a quick search you'll find a million site and suggestions for taking it.....

Hellodee2 Explorer

I found out that most of my family is allergic to apples about 5 years ago. I don't think it's the apples. A couple of years ago I started having diarrhea episodes, like yours, every six months. The last one almost killed me. I was in the he ER hooked up to an IV. The doctors had no idea what caused it. Luckily it's been awhile since my last bout. Normally, I'm constipated and have to take Linsess. They don't know why I'm constipated either. I hope you feel better knowing you aren't the only one. Let me know if they figure your problem out. It might help me or my doctors. ?

icelandgirl Proficient

Hi Victoria,

I am so sorry that this is still happening.  I'm really familiar with D as it was my primary symptom at diagnosis.  Ugh!

It could be that you were glutened at the potluck and are still recovering.  Some people take a while to feel better.  You could have your antibodies tested to see if they are elevated.

It could be that there is a new food intolerance.  Do you keep a food diary?  I've found mine to be extremely helpful in finding what foods don't like me.

Another thought...have you had your thyroid checked recently?  Hyperthyroidism can cause D.

I hope you get to feeling better.  Have you tried a very gentle on your system diet to see if your system settles?  When I get glutened I stick to chicken cooked in a crockpot all day, rice, boiled potatoes and bananas until things settle.

Big hugs!

Victoria1234 Experienced

I super thank you to everyone who is helping me!!

so I don't know how to do multi quote but I'll try to reply to everyone:

gluten free 01- I don't have any parts left inside since 2008 (one of the surgeries I had when the docs were trying to figure out why I was having such incredible pain pre- gluten-free) so it's probably not any girly bits messed up inside :) But you did remind me when I had a burst ovarian cyst it did do  the big D to me! But that was pre babies so over 20 years ago!

wifey- I will go see a doc if this keeps up for a couple more weeks... I'm one of those hate docs a lot types since the whole 2007-8 debacle with my health. I know for a fact they aren't going to find a thing, grumble grumble I hate doctors. But luckily writing on this site is like a journal and I won't be able to "forget" when this all started! And believe me, I won't ever ever ever have fruit salad again. 

Hello- so how does the Liness? work for you? I used to take Amatiza? Amitiza? and it did not work great. Made me go but didn't give me a healthy experience. Still stopped up the toilet it was so hard. Yuck. I'll be happy to share with you if I figure this out. I've had so many barium scans of my insides showing what overstuffed looking sausages my intestines were, and I had no idea I was anything but normal, lol.

icelandgirl- a thing  that I did somewhat recently was go on levothyroxine for hypo (it was a bit over the number range so I'm only on 25mg.) started it about 2 months ago. Oh and I'm sure I've not been glutened. Ok not 100% but 99% :) 

thanks again everyone!!

 

knitty kitty Grand Master

Victoria,

Are you lactose intolerant? Levothyroxine contains lactose.  Celiacs often develop a lactose intolerance because of damage to the tips of villi, the area that produces lactase, the enzyme that breaks down lactose.  Without the enzyme to break it down, lactose is fermented in the intestines, causing diarrhea.  The fruit salad may have exacerbated the fermentation.  Following a low Fodmap diet for a time may help.

Open Original Shared Link

   Or you could ask your doctor to prescribe a lactose free pill.  

Vitamin D and vitamin B 12 deficiencies are common in thyroid problems.

Open Original Shared Link

Open Original Shared Link

 

Remember that Celiac Disease causes malabsorption which results in malnutrition.  With suffering from D for so long, you may want to supplement vitamins and minerals for a time.  The eight B vitamins are water soluble and quickly lost with D.  The yellow floaty stuff is from fat malabsorption.  Vitamins A, D, E, and K are fat soluble vitamins which may not be absorbed well, so supplementing them might be beneficial, too.  

Hope this helps.

 

 

cyclinglady Grand Master

Two months on thyroid and you have not had follow-up testing?  Too much can cause diarrhea because you could be hyper, instead of hypo.  Ask your doctor for a lab test.  

Victoria1234 Experienced

Knitty- good idea, but I am fine with milk. I didn't drink it for the first year or so (until 2009) and I eat yogurt cheese and milk daily now. I do take a daily multivitamin usually but had stopped taking it for awhile because I started the D at a similar time I started the new brand I got and was worried it was part of the problem.

cylclinglady- I did go into the office for a follow up but the doc said it was too soon for blood work. That was 3 weeks ago. I will try to schedule a late in the day appt. for a blood test asap. I'm only on the 25 of levo, the smallest amount.  But I'm still tired, hair falling out, dry skin..... same old hypo symptoms. And I'm sadly not losing any weight as I was hoping for, at least yet. Was hoping to drop a few. Especially with this D?! 

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):



  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      131,551
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Newest Member

    Joined

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):


  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.4k
    • Total Posts
      1m

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):





  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):



  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • Scott Adams
      Your post demonstrates the profound frustration and isolation that so many in the Celiac community feel, and I want to thank you for channeling that experience into advocacy. The medical gaslighting you endured for decades is an unacceptable and, sadly, a common story, and the fact that you now have to "school" your own GI specialist speaks volumes about the critical lack of consistent and updated education. Your idea to make Celiac Disease a reportable condition to public health authorities is a compelling and strategic one. This single action would force the system to formally acknowledge the prevalence and seriousness of the disease, creating a concrete dataset that could drive better research funding, shape medical school curricula, and validate the patient experience in a way that individual stories alone often cannot. It is an uphill battle, but contacting representatives, as you have done with Adam Gray, is exactly how change begins. By framing it as a public health necessity—a matter of patient safety and protection from misdiagnosis and neglect—you are building a powerful case. Your voice and your perseverance, forged through thirty years of struggle, are exactly what this community needs to ensure that no one else has to fight so hard just to be believed and properly cared for.
    • Scott Adams
      I had no idea there is a "Louisville" in Colorado!😉 I thought it was a typo because I always think of the Kentucky city--but good luck!
    • Scott Adams
      Navigating medication safety with Celiac disease can be incredibly stressful, especially when dealing with asthma and severe allergies on top of it. While I don't have personal experience with the HealthA2Z brand of cetirizine, your caution is absolutely warranted. The inactive ingredients in pills, known as excipients, are often where gluten can be hidden, and since the FDA does not require gluten-free labeling for prescription or over-the-counter drugs, the manufacturer's word is essential. The fact that you cannot get a clear answer from Allegiant Health is a significant red flag; a company that is confident its product is gluten-free will typically have a customer service protocol to answer that exact question. In situations like this, the safest course of action is to consider this product "guilty until proven innocent" and avoid it. A better alternative would be to ask your pharmacist or doctor to help you identify a major national brand of cetirizine (like Zyrtec) whose manufacturer has a verified, publicly stated gluten-free policy for that specific medication. It's not worth the risk to your health when reliable, verifiable options are almost certainly available to you. You can search this site for USA prescriptions medications, but will need to know the manufacturer/maker if there is more than one, especially if you use a generic version of the medication: To see the ingredients you will need to click on the correct version of the medication and maker in the results, then scroll down to "Ingredients and Appearance" and click it, and then look at "Inactive Ingredients," as any gluten ingredients would likely appear there, rather than in the Active Ingredients area. https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/   
    • Scott Adams
      What you're describing is indeed familiar to many in the Celiac community, especially in the early stages of healing. When the intestinal villi are damaged from Celiac disease, they struggle to properly digest and absorb fats, a condition known as bile acid malabsorption. This can cause exactly the kind of cramping and spasms you're seeing, as undigested fats can irritate the sensitive gut lining. It is highly plausible that her reactions to dairy and eggs are linked to their higher fat content rather than the proteins, especially since she tolerates lean chicken breast. The great news is that for many, this does improve with time. As her gut continues to heal on a strict gluten-free diet, her ability to produce the necessary enzymes and bile to break down fats should gradually return, allowing her to slowly tolerate a wider variety of foods. It's a slow process of healing, but your careful approach of focusing on low-fat, nutrient-dense foods like seeds and avocado is providing her system the best possible environment to recover. Many people with celiac disease, especially those who are in the 0-2 year range of their recovery, have additional food intolerance issues which could be temporary. To figure this out you may need to keep a food diary and do an elimination diet over a few months. Some common food intolerance issues are dairy/casein, eggs, corn, oats, and soy. The good news is that after your gut heals (for most people who are 100% gluten-free this will take several months to two years) you may be able to slowly add some these items back into your diet after the damaged villi heal. This article may be helpful: Thank you for sharing your story—it's a valuable insight for other parents navigating similar challenges.
    • Beverage
      I had a very rough month after diagnosis. No exaggeration, lost so much inflammatory weight, I looked like a bag of bones, underneath i had been literally starving to death. I did start feeling noticeably better after a month of very strict control of my kitchen and home. What are you eating for breakfast and lunch? I ignored my doc and ate oats, yes they were gluten free, but some brands are at the higher end of gluten free. Lots of celics can eat Bob's Red Mill gluten-free oats, but not me. I can now eat them, but they have to be grown and processed according to the "purity protocol" methods. I mail order them, Montana Gluten-Free brand. A food and symptoms and activities log can be helpful in tracking down issues. You might be totally aware, but I have to mention about the risk of airborne gluten. As the doc that diagnosed me warned . . Remember eyes, ears, nose, and mouth all lead to your stomach and intestines.  Are you getting any cross contamination? Airborne gluten? Any pets eating gluten (they eat it, lick themselves, you pet them...)? Any house remodeling? We live in an older home, always fixing something. I've gotten glutened from the dust from cutting into plaster walls, possibly also plywood (glues). The suggestions by many here on vitamin supplements also really helped me. I had some lingering allergies and asthma, which are now 99% gone. I was taking Albuterol inhaler every hour just to breathe, but thiamine in form of benfotiamine kicked that down to 1-2 times a day within a few days of starting it. Also, since cutting out inflammatory seed oils (canola, sunflower, grapeseed, etc) and cooking with real olive oil, avocado oil, ghee, and coconut oil, I have noticed even greater improvement overall and haven't used the inhaler in months! It takes time to weed out everything in your life that contains gluten, and it takes awhile to heal and rebuild your health. At first it's mentally exhausting, overwhelming, even obsessive, but it gets better and second nature.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.