How to reduce bloating in colon at night

[sunyuzhe]

Hi, I have suffered symptoms of Celiac Disease for two years. I live in china, this disease is not common here. I used to live a very stressful life, During that time I became addicted to bread and cake(Now I know it's a sign of high cortisol). Then I began to feel bloated after meal. This bloating could last for a very long time and keep me awake at night. And I also had a sharp drop in weight. I could feel some thing very sticky in my colon, especially after eating bread. 

I went to see doctors many times. They just gave me some mosapride and ask me to eat more vegetables. I had colonoscopy and gastroscopy, everything was normal. But my gut and health kept getting worse. I had malnutrition and sometimes my heart rate couldn't come down. Still these doctors couldn't give any explanation.

I got no help from doctors and became despair. I started to search information on google and youtube. Then I found Dr Eric berg's channel. In one video, he explained the symptoms of vitamin B1 deficiency. Then I took some vitamin B1, and my heart rate became normal immediately. I continued to learn from his and other doctors' videos. I began to know many words like fasting, gluten, gut microbiome. I found I actually had chronic diarrhea. I used to think diarrhea means watery stool. But people with celiac disease sometimes simply have stools that are a bit looser than usual. 

Now I do fasting. I have two meals a day, a big breakfast and lunch at 2 o'clock. And I have had gluten-free diet for one month now. I see a lot of improvements. I poop every morning and have normal stool. I don't feel so much bloated after meal and the bloating won't last very long. I also feel much more energetic. I think this means my absorption improved.

But I still have a very big problem. My bowel movement, especially colon movement is very weak now. If I fall asleep, my colon movement will become too weak, stool will stuck in my colon especially transverse colon, then I began to feel uncomfortable and have nightmare. then I wake up and can't fall asleep. This happens every night, usually from 2 am to 5 am. So I never fully rested. 

I begin to see hope now. I really want solve this bloating problem. If I can sleep and wake up at 7 am, I think I can have a much better recovery. I plan to try to poop before bed. Please give me some advice, thanks a lot!

[trents]

Welcome to the forum, sunyuzhe!

I'm a little confused. You say you poop every morning and have a normal stool. So there is some improvement with your bowels but there is still a problem at night. Is this correct? What makes you believe your stool gets stuck in your colon and that your colon movement is weak? I ask because you say your stool in the morning is normal and you are very regular. Would you say your morning bowel movement is not sufficiently large even though it is normal consistency and regular?

One thing to realize is that it typically takes two years for the small bowel villi to experience full healing.

Another thing to realize is that celiacs typically develop vitamin and mineral deficiencies. You say you are on B1 supplementation but the fact is celiacs seldom experience just one vitamin deficiency. I would recommend you start taking a high potency gluten free B-complex to cover a larger spectrum of possible/probable deficiencies. There is no danger in taking high doses of B vitamins as they are water soluble and excess will be peed out in urine. I would also recommend about 2000IU of D3 and a magnesium supplement. Be careful to not take too much magnesium as it has a laxative effect. Choose one of the more absorbable forms of magnesium like magnesium stearate. 

I would also be concerned that if you have only been making an effort to eat gluten free for a month if you really are aware of the many places wheat is found in your food supply. There is a real learning curve involved with that. For instance, wheat is used to make most soy sauces. You may have eliminated major sources of gluten from your diet but you may still be getting gluten from unsuspected sources or from cross contamination.

[sunyuzhe]

2 hours ago, trents said:

Welcome to the forum, sunyuzhe!

I'm a little confused. You say you poop every morning and have a normal stool. So there is some improvement with your bowels but there is still a problem at night. Is this correct? What makes you believe your stool gets stuck in your colon and that your colon movement is weak? I ask because you say your stool in the morning is normal and you are very regular. Would you say your morning bowel movement is not sufficiently large even though it is normal consistency and regular?

One thing to realize is that it typically takes two years for the small bowel villi to experience full healing.

Another thing to realize is that celiacs typically develop vitamin and mineral deficiencies. You say you are on B1 supplementation but the fact is celiacs seldom experience just one vitamin deficiency. I would recommend you start taking a high potency gluten free B-complex to cover a larger spectrum of possible/probable deficiencies. There is no danger in taking high doses of B vitamins as they are water soluble and excess will be peed out in urine. I would also recommend about 2000IU of D3 and a magnesium supplement. Be careful to not take too much magnesium as it has a laxative effect. Choose one of the more absorbable forms of magnesium like magnesium stearate. 

I would also be concerned that if you have only been making an effort to eat gluten free for a month if you really are aware of the many places wheat is found in your food supply. There is a real learning curve involved with that. For instance, wheat is used to make most soy sauces. You may have eliminated major sources of gluten from your diet but you may still be getting gluten from unsuspected sources or from cross contamination.

Thanks for your reply.

"So there is some improvement with your bowels but there is still a problem at night. Is this correct?"

yes!

"What makes you believe your stool gets stuck in your colon and that your colon movement is weak? "

I think it's both weakness and disorder. When I first felt bloated two years ago, It was in my stomach. After a meal especially dinner, the bloating in my stomach will last a very long time. I think it's a hint that these are still food stuck in my small intestine, maybe caused by gluten, because I usually ate bread for breakfast. But at that time my colon was normal. one night when I laid down, I suddenly felt a movement with loud sounds in my colon, and the bloating in my stomach disappeared. At first I was very happy and felt asleep. But at mid night, I woke up, felt a very uncomfortable bloating in my colon. From then on, I began to feel my uncomfortable colon movement especially when I lay down. I think maybe it's the high pressure disrupted my regular bowel movement and also makes my colon muscle weak. now when I wake up at night, I will drink some hot water and lay down, and then there will be bowel movement and loud sounds. I will feel relief for a short time. It's like flushing toilet.

I have taken mosapride for the last week. It helps. It makes my bowel move faster. But I worry about the side effects and drug dependence. I have 2 meals diet for two month. I used to have 3 meals a day, but it was not gluten-free. I think maybe I should try the 3 meals a day, with less amount of food each meal. Maybe 3 meals a day can reduce the burden on my digestion system. I'm not sure.

"I would recommend you start taking a high potency gluten free B-complex to cover a larger spectrum of possible/probable deficiencies"

Thanks for your advice. This is so true. When I first found I have vitamin B1 deficiency, I took B1 for several weeks, then I stopped. But months later, I begin to have symptoms again. Now I take B-complex every day, I have more energy and better sleep. 

" I would also recommend about 2000IU of D3 and a magnesium supplement"

I'll look into this. Currently I take Centrum: Complete Multivitamins and B-Complex tablet, also krill oil(omega-3), L-glutamine, probiotics.

"I would also be concerned that if you have only been making an effort to eat gluten free for a month if you really are aware of the many places wheat is found in your food supply"

yes, I found there are a lot of food contain gluten. I keep my meal simple, with rice, vegetables(also fermented vegetables), fruits, nuts, fish, chicken, eggs, etc. I avoid processed food. I will try my best to avoid gluten and cross contamination. Thanks!

[sunyuzhe]

1 hour ago, sunyuzhe said:

Thanks for your reply.

"So there is some improvement with your bowels but there is still a problem at night. Is this correct?"

yes!

"What makes you believe your stool gets stuck in your colon and that your colon movement is weak? "

I think it's both weakness and disorder. When I first felt bloated two years ago, It was in my stomach. After a meal especially dinner, the bloating in my stomach will last a very long time. I think it's a hint that these are still food stuck in my small intestine, maybe caused by gluten, because I usually ate bread for breakfast. But at that time my colon was normal. one night when I laid down, I suddenly felt a movement with loud sounds in my colon, and the bloating in my stomach disappeared. At first I was very happy and felt asleep. But at mid night, I woke up, felt a very uncomfortable bloating in my colon. From then on, I began to feel my uncomfortable colon movement especially when I lay down. I think maybe it's the high pressure disrupted my regular bowel movement and also makes my colon muscle weak. now when I wake up at night, I will drink some hot water and lay down, and then there will be bowel movement and loud sounds. I will feel relief for a short time. It's like flushing toilet.

I have taken mosapride for the last week. It helps. It makes my bowel move faster. But I worry about the side effects and drug dependence. I have 2 meals diet for two month. I used to have 3 meals a day, but it was not gluten-free. I think maybe I should try the 3 meals a day, with less amount of food each meal. Maybe 3 meals a day can reduce the burden on my digestion system. I'm not sure.

"I would recommend you start taking a high potency gluten free B-complex to cover a larger spectrum of possible/probable deficiencies"

Thanks for your advice. This is so true. When I first found I have vitamin B1 deficiency, I took B1 for several weeks, then I stopped. But months later, I begin to have symptoms again. Now I take B-complex every day, I have more energy and better sleep. 

" I would also recommend about 2000IU of D3 and a magnesium supplement"

I'll look into this. Currently I take Centrum: Complete Multivitamins and B-Complex tablet, also krill oil(omega-3), L-glutamine, probiotics.

"I would also be concerned that if you have only been making an effort to eat gluten free for a month if you really are aware of the many places wheat is found in your food supply"

yes, I found there are a lot of food contain gluten. I keep my meal simple, with rice, vegetables(also fermented vegetables), fruits, nuts, fish, chicken, eggs, etc. I avoid processed food. I will try my best to avoid gluten and cross contamination. Thanks!

I never have constipation, maybe it's more like a bowel movement disorder.

[Ivana]

Hello sunyuzhe,

I don't have answers to your questions but I would like to ask you a few questions about being a celiac in China (as it is the first time I see someone from China here), if that is ok. I gather from your post that you were not officially diagnosed? Do doctors not order antibody and other celiac related blood tests in general or was celiac ruled out by them because gastroscopy showed no damage? Have you mentioned the possibility of celiac to them and if so what was the response? And, what is of special interest to me, is it possible at all to eat gluten free in restaurants in China (or the part where you live)? You see, I lived in China for many years, prior to my diagnosis, and I love Chinese food. But now I think, when I visit China next time, that I will not be able to eat anything at all outside (most of the common sauces, for exaple, contain gluten), and will have to cook my own (boring!) food in my accommodation, which is a shame considering how good the food is there and how important it is for socialising. I guess I am wondering how celiacs in China navigate outside eating (if at all) and if they have any tips (in case you alrady talked to some). I know it is not a common condition in China, but I would think that there are still some diagnosed people. Also, does labeling of precessed food always list wheat/gluten/etc when it is present in ingredients? Thank you!

[trents]

sunyuzhe,

You mention you have had a gastroscopy. That would check for issues in the upper GI track. Have you had a colonoscopy to check for abnormalities in the lower part of the intestines? You might have a kink or a stricture that is preventing the normal passage of digested food from the upper bowel to the colon.

[Scott Adams]

Another basic question I have is, are you getting enough fiber? Have you tried eating prunes and/or drinking prune juice, and other fiber like psyllium fiber powder? These might be better alternatives to deal with constipation than medicine.

[AlwaysLearning]

A couple of things you should consider.

Having a bowel movement in the morning is the norm. The bowel actually contracts three times as hard in the first hour after you wake up. If you are consistently having bowel movements every morning, you are already winning!

Fiber and water are the two things I know of that are needed to keep your intestinal systems running properly. You could try reducing sugar and salt for a bit to see if that helps, but do make sure to eat both fruits and vegetables for the majority of your diet. And drink water for a while, not other beverages (and no alcohol). You can add things back once you're feeling better.

Avoiding gluten is likely to help everyone's digestion to some degree. You don't have to have celiac to notice an improvement. I say this because what you describe does not match any gluten reactions I've ever had. 

I don't know how the medical system works in China, but it sounds as if you are making excellent progress in educating yourself so that you can pick up where your healthcare system leaves off.

Here are some things to try:

• Eat a low-gas diet for a few days and see if that helps. 

• Pay attention to your stool. It can give you a lot of clues as to whether or not your systems are working properly, such as if enough bile is making its way into your stomach or if you're not getting enough fiber. There is plenty of information online about stool size and color and what it means.

• Keep a food/symptom diary to try to trace back the possible causes of pain.

• Learn more about other causes of abdominal pain and see it they seem to fit you, such as ulcers (feels better after eating), colitis and Crohn's disease (both get worse an hour after eating), pancreatitis, gall bladder disease, kidney stones, gall stones, hernias. You can see why I say you have to keep looking for answers or get a real diagnosis. There are just so many things it could be. 

When I had abdominal pain before going gluten free, it was a constant dull ache all over my large intestines that made no difference if it was night or day. It was painful enough for me to poke a prod myself to try to feel if anything was awry, But it was never strong enough to interfere with life or to wake me up at night.

I do wish you lots of luck, and please let us know if you do find out what it is you have. And if you do stay gluten free, welcome to the club!
 

[cristiana]

Herbal teas can help - in particular, it looks as if ginger root could help.  

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322624#nine-herbal-teas-for-constipation

How long ago was it that you had your colonoscopy?  I think you should ask your doctor if it can be repeated if this issue has started to happen since your last one.

[sunyuzhe]

6 hours ago, Ivana said:

Hello sunyuzhe,

I don't have answers to your questions but I would like to ask you a few questions about being a celiac in China (as it is the first time I see someone from China here), if that is ok. I gather from your post that you were not officially diagnosed? Do doctors not order antibody and other celiac related blood tests in general or was celiac ruled out by them because gastroscopy showed no damage? Have you mentioned the possibility of celiac to them and if so what was the response? And, what is of special interest to me, is it possible at all to eat gluten free in restaurants in China (or the part where you live)? You see, I lived in China for many years, prior to my diagnosis, and I love Chinese food. But now I think, when I visit China next time, that I will not be able to eat anything at all outside (most of the common sauces, for exaple, contain gluten), and will have to cook my own (boring!) food in my accommodation, which is a shame considering how good the food is there and how important it is for socialising. I guess I am wondering how celiacs in China navigate outside eating (if at all) and if they have any tips (in case you alrady talked to some). I know it is not a common condition in China, but I would think that there are still some diagnosed people. Also, does labeling of precessed food always list wheat/gluten/etc when it is present in ingredients? Thank you!

“I gather from your post that you were not officially diagnosed?”

No

 "Do doctors not order antibody and other celiac related blood tests in general or was celiac ruled out by them because gastroscopy showed no damage? Have you mentioned the possibility of celiac to them and if so what was the response?"

In the last two years, I went to see many doctors, None of them asked me what I eat. None of them mentioned gluten intolerance. The last time I went to see a doctor, I described my symptoms and asked him if I got celiac disease. He said NO immediately. He said celiac disease is much worse. I asked him where I can get test for gluten sensitivity, he told me there is one hospital in Shanghai can do this test. I didn't go to shanghai, as gluten-free diet already makes me feel much better. I think many doctors never heard of celiac disease before. 

"I guess I am wondering how celiacs in China navigate outside eating (if at all) and if they have any tips (in case you alrady talked to some)"

I have given up eating outside. It's not just gluten. Most restaurants use low quality vegetable oils heavily. Vegetable oils makes my colon feel very uncomfortable. They are very unhealthy and inflammatory. My company provides food, I can have vegetables, meat and rice there, it's enough for me.

"Also, does labeling of precessed food always list wheat/gluten/etc when it is present in ingredients?"

Most food does. I think it's a requirement to list allergies in their ingredients.

[sunyuzhe]

7 hours ago, trents said:

Have you had a colonoscopy to check for abnormalities in the lower part of the intestines?

Yes, I had a colonoscopy, no kink or stricture found.

[sunyuzhe]

7 hours ago, Scott Adams said:

Another basic question I have is, are you getting enough fiber? Have you tried eating prunes and/or drinking prune juice, and other fiber like psyllium fiber powder? These might be better alternatives to deal with constipation than medicine.

I started to eat more fruits and vegetables this year. At first I felt bloated, there was a lot of gas in my gut. But now I have no problem with fiber. I think my gut flora can digest fiber properly now. I don't have constipation and after I take gluten-free diet, I poop every morning and my stool is normal. After this week I will stop using mosapride. Thanks for your advice!

[sunyuzhe]

8 hours ago, AlwaysLearning said:

A couple of things you should consider.

Having a bowel movement in the morning is the norm. The bowel actually contracts three times as hard in the first hour after you wake up. If you are consistently having bowel movements every morning, you are already winning!

Fiber and water are the two things I know of that are needed to keep your intestinal systems running properly. You could try reducing sugar and salt for a bit to see if that helps, but do make sure to eat both fruits and vegetables for the majority of your diet. And drink water for a while, not other beverages (and no alcohol). You can add things back once you're feeling better.

Avoiding gluten is likely to help everyone's digestion to some degree. You don't have to have celiac to notice an improvement. I say this because what you describe does not match any gluten reactions I've ever had. 

I don't know how the medical system works in China, but it sounds as if you are making excellent progress in educating yourself so that you can pick up where your healthcare system leaves off.

Here are some things to try:

• Eat a low-gas diet for a few days and see if that helps. 

• Pay attention to your stool. It can give you a lot of clues as to whether or not your systems are working properly, such as if enough bile is making its way into your stomach or if you're not getting enough fiber. There is plenty of information online about stool size and color and what it means.

• Keep a food/symptom diary to try to trace back the possible causes of pain.

• Learn more about other causes of abdominal pain and see it they seem to fit you, such as ulcers (feels better after eating), colitis and Crohn's disease (both get worse an hour after eating), pancreatitis, gall bladder disease, kidney stones, gall stones, hernias. You can see why I say you have to keep looking for answers or get a real diagnosis. There are just so many things it could be. 

When I had abdominal pain before going gluten free, it was a constant dull ache all over my large intestines that made no difference if it was night or day. It was painful enough for me to poke a prod myself to try to feel if anything was awry, But it was never strong enough to interfere with life or to wake me up at night.

I do wish you lots of luck, and please let us know if you do find out what it is you have. And if you do stay gluten free, welcome to the club!
 

"Having a bowel movement in the morning is the norm. The bowel actually contracts three times as hard in the first hour after you wake up. If you are consistently having bowel movements every morning, you are already winning!"

Bowel movement is my biggest concern now. Maybe gluten and stress disrupt my bowel movement. I have taken 2 meals each day for two months. I thought If my last meal is at 2 pm, There is enough time to empty my colon and I can have a good sleep. But It doesn't work I still feel bloated at night. Yesterday I started to take 3 meals with less amount of food each meal, and last night I don't feel bloated, although there was an internal itching in my colon. I think consistency helps to regulate my bowel movement. I'll keep 3 meals for some time and see if there is any improvement.

"Eat a low-gas diet for a few days and see if that helps. "

Yes, I avoid starchy foods like Potatoes. I only eat white rice for carbohydrates. I also avoid vegetables with too much fiber like celery.

"Pay attention to your stool."

Yes, this is so important. I used to have loose stool, which means I have malabsorption.

"Keep a food/symptom diary to try to trace back the possible causes of pain."

I'm doing this everyday with an app.

"I do wish you lots of luck, and please let us know if you do find out what it is you have. And if you do stay gluten free, welcome to the club!"

Thanks, I'll stay gluten free, I want to be healthy. I'm very weak now. Last night I woke up twice with heart racing. Maybe I'm just hungry. Ever since I got this disease, I can't feel hunger. I'm too skinny, I should eat more. If I get better, I'll let you know.

 

[sunyuzhe]

7 hours ago, cristiana said:

Herbal teas can help - in particular, it looks as if ginger root could help.  

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322624#nine-herbal-teas-for-constipation

How long ago was it that you had your colonoscopy?  I think you should ask your doctor if it can be repeated if this issue has started to happen since your last one.

It was two years ago. I had colonoscopy after I got these symptoms. I have been taking gluten-free diet for only one month. I think I need more time to recovery. Maybe next year I'll have a colonoscopy.

[trents]

Being consistent with your meals and other aspects of your lifestyle such as activity and sleep is key in avoiding constipation. That's why we call it being regular. It could be that with only two meals you were not getting enough fiber. The recommended daily intake of fiber for an adult is 25-30 grams per day. That's 8-10 grams per meal if you eat three meals per day. Have you actually calculated how many grams of fiber you are getting daily? Most fruits and vegetables are good sources of fiber. White rice is not. 

By the way, celery is not a high fiber food. Seems like it would be but it's not.

It is also important to drink plenty of fluids. Many doctors recommend 64 oz. of free liquid daily. Free liquid means in addition to the water bound up in our food. But I can tell you, 64 oz. daily can be challenging.

Edited September 30, 2021 by trents

[sunyuzhe]

14 hours ago, trents said:

Being consistent with your meals and other aspects of your lifestyle such as activity and sleep is key in avoiding constipation. That's why we call it being regular. It could be that with only two meals you were not getting enough fiber. The recommended daily intake of fiber for an adult is 25-30 grams per day. That's 8-10 grams per meal if you eat three meals per day. Have you actually calculated how many grams of fiber you are getting daily? Most fruits and vegetables are good sources of fiber. White rice is not. 

By the way, celery is not a high fiber food. Seems like it would be but it's not.

It is also important to drink plenty of fluids. Many doctors recommend 64 oz. of free liquid daily. Free liquid means in addition to the water bound up in our food. But I can tell you, 64 oz. daily can be challenging.

Thank you for your advice. I didn’t calculate the grams of fiber I take. Is it the same as the weight of vegetables I take? I just eat as much as I can.

I drink a lot of water. More than 64 oz.

I come up with an idea. I have a blender. I can blend my food. Maybe this can help my digestion. I have searched. It is called Puréed Diet.

[trents]

Grams of fiber is not the same as the weight. It will be much less. The fiber is only the part of the food item that is solid and indigestible. It does not involve the water or the assimilated portions of the food item. It is the "ash" to use an older term for fiber.

You can google for the fiber amount of any unprocessed food item. Just type in, "How much fiber is in an an apple?" or "How much fiber is in a serving of strawberries?" or "How much fiber is in a serving of white rice?" or "How much fiber is in a serving of water chestnuts?" The amount of Fiber is typically given by serving size or if the food item is self-contained like an apple or a banana, it will be given in terms like "One medium apple contains three grams of fiber" or something like that. If the food item is not self-contained it will the amount of fiber will be given in terms like, "One cup of sliced peaches contains 2 grams of fiber" or "there are 4 grams of fiber in 6 oz. of cooked carrots." So you would first would need to determine how large the portion is that you are consuming in order to figure out the amount of fiber you are getting when you eat that food item. 

Packaged/processed food items will usually tell you how much fiber is in one serving. At least that's how it works here in the U.S. since regulations require that nutritional information be broken down for packed/processed food items.

[sunyuzhe]

21 hours ago, trents said:

Grams of fiber is not the same as the weight. It will be much less. The fiber is only the part of the food item that is solid and indigestible. It does not involve the water or the assimilated portions of the food item. It is the "ash" to use an older term for fiber.

You can google for the fiber amount of any unprocessed food item. Just type in, "How much fiber is in an an apple?" or "How much fiber is in a serving of strawberries?" or "How much fiber is in a serving of white rice?" or "How much fiber is in a serving of water chestnuts?" The amount of Fiber is typically given by serving size or if the food item is self-contained like an apple or a banana, it will be given in terms like "One medium apple contains three grams of fiber" or something like that. If the food item is not self-contained it will the amount of fiber will be given in terms like, "One cup of sliced peaches contains 2 grams of fiber" or "there are 4 grams of fiber in 6 oz. of cooked carrots." So you would first would need to determine how large the portion is that you are consuming in order to figure out the amount of fiber you are getting when you eat that food item. 

Packaged/processed food items will usually tell you how much fiber is in one serving. At least that's how it works here in the U.S. since regulations require that nutritional information be broken down for packed/processed food items.

thanks a lot. I just found I may have leocecal Valve Dysfunction, maybe caused by

bloating and stress. 

Symptoms usually improve after getting out of bed and moving around.

Symptoms usually intensify upon staying in bed.

This is exactly how I feel. Every time I lay down, i feel bloated.but if i stand up, I feel better
 

[sunyuzhe]

I think my story is:

Two years ago I have a lot of stress and ate a lot of bread and cake. This put a heavy burden on my digestive system and cause distension in my small intestine. At first, my ileocecal Valve was able to hold the pressure and protect my colon. So I feel bloated in my stomach.  But later It failed and became open. Food past too quickly, my small intestine doesn't have enough time to absorb nutrition, cause me to lose weight rapidly and bloating in my. Also bacteria from the large intestine migrate up into the small intestine causing bacterial overgrowth. At that I have extremely unformed and fatty stool.

Maybe my solution is
* gluten-free, reduce inflammation
* reduce stress as much as possible
* take a stable diet, eat at fix time and fixed frequency(3 meals a day)
* avoid eat too much at one time, cause this will increase distension in my small intestine 
* try pureed food
* try Ileocecal Valve Massage

among these causes I have 5.

In this article, they said ileocecal valve syndrome is responsible for a myriad of symptoms, and is sometimes called “the great mimicker.” I found three great mimicker now:
* Vitamin B1 deficiency
* celiac disease
*  ileocecal valve syndrome

I hope I will get better, although currently I still have terrible sleep. At least my stool is normal now.

[sunyuzhe]

17 hours ago, sunyuzhe said:

I think my story is:

Two years ago I have a lot of stress and ate a lot of bread and cake. This put a heavy burden on my digestive system and cause distension in my small intestine. At first, my ileocecal Valve was able to hold the pressure and protect my colon. So I feel bloated in my stomach.  But later It failed and became open. Food past too quickly, my small intestine doesn't have enough time to absorb nutrition, cause me to lose weight rapidly and bloating in my. Also bacteria from the large intestine migrate up into the small intestine causing bacterial overgrowth. At that I have extremely unformed and fatty stool.

Maybe my solution is
* gluten-free, reduce inflammation
* reduce stress as much as possible
* take a stable diet, eat at fix time and fixed frequency(3 meals a day)
* avoid eat too much at one time, cause this will increase distension in my small intestine 
* try pureed food
* try Ileocecal Valve Massage

among these causes I have 5.

In this article, they said ileocecal valve syndrome is responsible for a myriad of symptoms, and is sometimes called “the great mimicker.” I found three great mimicker now:
* Vitamin B1 deficiency
* celiac disease
*  ileocecal valve syndrome

I hope I will get better, although currently I still have terrible sleep. At least my stool is normal now.

* also take supplements. 

[yuluyouyue]

Sunyuzhe, 

may I ask you what you mean when you say "a lot of cake and bread"? What amounts are we talking about and for how long? People in the West tend to eat "a lot" of bread (and some a lot of cake too), but I don't know if there is such a direct link between that and getting sick in such a short time span . 

[Wheatwacked]

10 minutes ago, yuluyouyue said:

I don't know if there is such a direct link between that and getting sick in such a short time span . 

That's because often the patient's symptoms are blamed on stress if at all aknowledged. Many are led to believe it is simply "getting old" and "normal for some to feel this way. People go years being misdiagnosed with this, that and the other thing; only to find in the end it was gluten and the resultant malnutrition all along. Not eveyone of course but enough. By that time the direct link has been long since been obsured.

2 hours ago, sunyuzhe said:

doesn't have enough time to absorb nutrition, cause me to lose weight rapidly and bloating in my. Also bacteria from the large intestine migrate up into the small intestine causing bacterial overgrowth. At that I have extremely unformed and fatty stool.

Pretty much a discription of classic Celiac Disease.  I might add here that potassium is considered world wide a "nutrient of concern"

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Recent medical research has shown that newly diagnosed celiac disease sufferers are most commonly deficient in a range of vitamins, including niacin, vitamin A, vitamin B6, folate, vitamin B12, vitamin D, and riboflavin, to name just a few. Vitamin deficiencies in celiac patients are usually also accompanied by other nutritional deficiencies, most notably folic acid, zinc, iron, magnesium, calcium, and even protein.   

2 hours ago, sunyuzhe said:

try pureed food

It's less about how you prepare your food, as what nutrients are or are not in what you eat.  https://www.oldschoollabs.com/jack-lalanne/

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"In East Asian countries, where polished white rice is a dietary staple, beriberi has been a long-standing problem... The prevention of beriberi is accomplished by eating a well-balanced diet, since thiamin is present in most raw and untreated foods.   https://www.britannica.com/science/beriberi"

 

[yuluyouyue]

1 hour ago, Wheatwacked said:

That's because often the patient's symptoms are blamed on stress if at all aknowledged. Many are led to believe it is simply "getting old" and "normal for some to feel this way. People go years being misdiagnosed with this, that and the other thing; only to find in the end it was gluten and the resultant malnutrition all along. Not eveyone of course but enough. By that time the direct link has been long since been obsured.

Pretty much a discription of classic Celiac Disease.  I might add here that potassium is considered world wide a "nutrient of concern"

It's less about how you prepare your food, as what nutrients are or are not in what you eat.  https://www.oldschoollabs.com/jack-lalanne/

 

Wheatwacked,

 

sunyuzhe said that 2 years ago she (?) was stressed, started eating a lot of cake and bread, and then, also 2 years ago got these symptoms. So I am wondering how much a lot is, if she traces the onset of these symptoms directly to the sudden hightened consumption of bread and cakes. Of course, it is possible some condition was there all along, and it only became visible then. Also, I do believe stress can cause many symptoms, maybe not in this case, but being high strung for a long time, or in a fight or flight mode cant be good. 

[sunyuzhe]

2 hours ago, yuluyouyue said:

sunyuzhe said that 2 years ago she (?) was stressed

I'm a he.

2 hours ago, yuluyouyue said:

also 2 years ago got these symptoms

I had been eating bread for about 4, 5 months and gradually began to feel bloated after meal. the bread is about this size:

Sometimes I felt bloated after took only a few bites. I was so confused at that time. This year July, I found if I eat oatmeal and wheat germ for breakfast, I will feel something sticky pass through my colon at night. It's extremely uncomfortable. At that time I already knew wheat contains gluten. So I stopped eating anything contains gluten. Gradually I can feel the stool coming out from my small intestine become smoother. one month ago, I ate a cake and immediately I got diarrhea. 4 days later I felt the sticky thing pasting through my colon.  It was at that time I'm sure I have gluten intolerance.

I'm always wondering what's the sticky thing I feel in my colon. Is it gluten? does anyone else have this feeling?

[sunyuzhe]

5 hours ago, Wheatwacked said:

I might add here that potassium is considered world wide a "nutrient of concern"

I had potassium deficiency early this year. I had increased heart rate. So I went to hospital and did blood test. The result showed I had potassium deficiency. I took potassium infusion. But I still have increased heart rate. Doctors had no idea. Later I found I also had B1 deficiency...

5 hours ago, Wheatwacked said:

It's less about how you prepare your food, as what nutrients are or are not in what you eat

I want to try pureed food, because I wish it make my stool smoother and reduce the pain in my bowel movement.

today I made my own pureed food, It tastes terrible.