Dr Fine's 10 Step Program

[Yenni]

I am thinking about following his food recommendations. I just wonder what there is actually left to eat?? Fish, chicken..

I can't have nuts and I am allergic to a bunch of fruits.

Here are the steps, but take a look at the online lecture for more about it.

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My stomach seems to be so sensitive. It stays happy if I eat very kind food and don't step oustide the little stuff it likes to eat.

So far Gluten, casein and soy is what I can't handle...but it seems this isn't the end of it.

I was thinking about buying the DVD's Dr Fine is selling from his conferens.

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Would be nice to talk to someone who is also interested in this.

[CarlaB]

My doc is treating me for adrenal fatigue and has me doing all those things. I hadn't read it from Dr. Fine, but I am doing those things.

Oh, I just went back and looked at the food recommendations -- I eat mainly protein, veggies, potaotoes and rice along with some gluten-free bread. I do not follow all those recommendations though ... but I do the things on the list of 10 steps.

[Yenni]

My doc is treating me for adrenal fatigue and has me doing all those things. I hadn't read it from Dr. Fine, but I am doing those things.

Do you find it hard to find things to eat? I can do a bunch of vegetables (and I like vegetables) but the fruit and nuts are a problem for me.

What meats do you eat?

I have found myself having problem with most processed foods in general. Like I can't have corn chips.. Stuff that says Gluten free even. I have been eating meat, pork and chicken. Halibut. I can do rice cakes but I have had problems with cooked rice (gas). Potatoes seems fine.

My breakfast the last couple of weeks has been bananas and brown rice crackers with ham (the ham has actually been fine).

I feel I am getting tired of the same stuff.

Has your doctor given you any info to read? Recommended any books that maybe I can read? I know you talked about the Adrenal Fatigue book. I haven't looked in that one yet.

[CarlaB]

I eat several different meats and don't seem to have a problem with them. I like the chicken sausages I can get at Wild Oats because they're just chicken and spices with no bad stuff, yet they come in various flavors. I also really like ground lamb. Hubby buys me a steak every Friday.

I have braces so can't do the nuts. Low sugar for adrenals means little to no fruit.

I always have eggs for breakfast.

[Yenni]

I eat several different meats and don't seem to have a problem with them. I like the chicken sausages I can get at Wild Oats because they're just chicken and spices with no bad stuff, yet they come in various flavors. I also really like ground lamb. Hubby buys me a steak every Friday.

I have braces so can't do the nuts. Low sugar for adrenals means little to no fruit.

I always have eggs for breakfast.

I'll have to look for the chicken sausage.. Maybe I'll have better luck with it. I am almost scared of trying new stuff though.

Dr Fine says to stay away from eggs. I think I might have a problem with egg. I am not sure. I am scared of trying that too. I made this brownie mix yesterday (soy, gluten, diary, corn free). I added Canola oil and 3 eggs. I was sick all night. Only had a little bit. I don't get it. Maybe the eggs did it.. Chocolate is probably not very easy to handle. I don't know. Nothing makes sense to me sometimes.

I live on Bananas.

[CarlaB]

I eat eggs all the time and had some blondies last night (vanilla brownies) ... I got some heartburn from them so it might not have been the eggs for you. If you don't eat a lot of processed foods, it may have just been eating something like that even though you made it yourself.

If you have any kind of adrenal fatigue, the bad part about the bananas is the potassium and the sugar. I am not supposed to have them at all. Be sure you're getting enough sodium (salt) to balance out all that potassium!

The chicken sausage just has herbs and spices, but be careful, some of them have dairy. It's good for variety and ease of cooking!

[Nancym]

I stick to unprocessed food, no legumes, no dairy (except I am experimenting with goat-milk kefir a bit), no grains, nothing too starchy. I had to discard my notions of what breakfast should be. I do eat eggs, fruits, dried fruits, nuts (careful portions), squashes, some root crops (yams, rutabagas, turnips, parsnips), lettuces and all kinds of meat and spices. I just made a whole duck that I steamed then cooked over a bed of root crops things (yams, parsnips and rutabagas). Oh god, it came out good! I avoid soy.

I look to Asia for inspiration with cooking, especially Thai and Vietnamese food.

I did buy Dr. Fine's DVDs and found them interesting. Basically he advocates adopting a diet you tolerate well, avoiding grains and dairy because they're so antigenic (autoimmune stimulating). You could find the same philosophy in the Paleo diet too. I don't agree 100% with him, especially on avoiding meat. He also recommends avoiding foods high in oxalates if you're arthritic (and I am). I'm going to give that a try.

One thing I think is really helping me is kefir. I bought the kefir "grains" (they're not grains like you harvest from a field, they're a biological culture) and I've been culturing almond milk, goats milk, water sweetened with fruits and/or honey. My intestines haven't been this calm and happy for over a year.

But one thing I wanted to point out is there are plenty of foods to eat. Really, if you were to identify the foods that most people eat most of the time, it'd probably just come down to a few dozen. It takes awhile to readjust the thinking to any new eating plan. Best way is to get a few good cookbooks, or find some good recipe sites online.

I like the cook book "Garden of Eating" and I just received "Nourishing Traditions". The latter one I wanted for information about fermenting foods.

[lonewolf]

I just received "Nourishing Traditions". The latter one I wanted for information about fermenting foods.

Slightly off topic for this thread, but I love my "Nourishing Traditions". It's changed the way I look at and think about food.

[Yenni]

The hard thing for me is the additional allergies I have. The ony fruits I can eat with no problems is Bananas and melons. I do eat all berries, but some seem a bit sour for my stomach. Nuts are totally out and Almonds to. I was tested when I was a kid and I am allergic to it all.

So then add on Soy, Gluten and Diary. I seem to be ok with ricemilk. My stomach isn't super happy when I drink it but it seems to work in cooking.

I wonder about Corn and Egg like I said... But who knows.

I just feel so cornered. I try things that others can have and I get sick. Argh!!

I am thinking I am gonna get his DVD's to get some inspiration. Maybe I'll learn a thing or two.

Does he ever talk about what he actually eats on those DVD's? There is alot of talk about what NOT to eat.

My husband and I have decided to make sure to catch a lot of fish during the fishing season up here (Alaska). That will be a cheap way to live for me. Luckely I love fish.

[Nancym]

I don't think he talks a lot about what he eats. Mostly its leaf lettuces, nuts (in moderation), veggies, fruits, fish.

I think sometimes people focus on what they can't eat so much they completely don't think about what they can eat.

Do you really have to replace milk? Since I don't eat grains and don't have cereal, I don't find I miss milk at all. The only reason I wanted to replace it was for the culturing for kefir. Otherwise, I hate all those nasty milk replacements.

Soy is probably not good for anyone. I do use it in Tamari but I really try to limit it as much as possible.

There are a huge variety of melons (even bananas!) in the store. Have you tried any of the less typical banana varities? Some of them taste a bit like strawberries. What about papaya, figs, dates, mangos, some of the more exotic fruits?

Sometime go to a really good produce department and buy something you've never had before:

Daikon radish, brussel sprouts, rutabagas, parsnips, spagetti squash.

Then look up how to cook them on the Internet.

Can you eat seeds? Sunflower, or pumpkin or seasame?

You might also look into an elimination diet or something like SCD and try to figure out what all your intolerances are.

[jerseyangel]

Hi Jenny,

You're not alone on the restrictions! I did well on the gluten-free diet for a few months, and then reverted back to being as sick as I was before. The problem was additional food intolerance. In my opinion, my problems with these foods are due to leaky gut from years of undiagnosed Celiac.

I manage to eat pretty well--although I do admit to getting bored with my food sometimes. I'm like you in that if I deviate from my safe list, I will feel the consequences.

I avoid gluten, dairy, soy and all other legumes, coconut, citrus fruit, and corn. My system is sensitive, and I can only eat rice once a week. I don't eat any other grains.

[Yenni]

I don't think he talks a lot about what he eats. Mostly its leaf lettuces, nuts (in moderation), veggies, fruits, fish.

I think sometimes people focus on what they can't eat so much they completely don't think about what they can eat.

Do you really have to replace milk? Since I don't eat grains and don't have cereal, I don't find I miss milk at all. The only reason I wanted to replace it was for the culturing for kefir. Otherwise, I hate all those nasty milk replacements.

Soy is probably not good for anyone. I do use it in Tamari but I really try to limit it as much as possible.

There are a huge variety of melons (even bananas!) in the store. Have you tried any of the less typical banana varities? Some of them taste a bit like strawberries. What about papaya, figs, dates, mangos, some of the more exotic fruits?

Sometime go to a really good produce department and buy something you've never had before:

Daikon radish, brussel sprouts, rutabagas, parsnips, spagetti squash.

Then look up how to cook them on the Internet.

Can you eat seeds? Sunflower, or pumpkin or seasame?

You might also look into an elimination diet or something like SCD and try to figure out what all your intolerances are.

I don't miss milk but Cheese would have been nice to be able to eat. Naturel Yoghurt. I haven't been drinking milk in years.

I do eat figs, had no idea there were different types of Bananas and I am big on eating different Veggies (Brussel Sprouts just gave me bad gas the other week).

I was thinking about getting some seeds. Do you know of any safe brands or do you make them on your own?

I guess I should look into that book. Thanks for the tips! All of them.

Where is a good place to find info on elimination diets. It sounded scary to do on my own. I don't wanna end up not eating what I need.

Hi Jenny,

You're not alone on the restrictions! I did well on the gluten-free diet for a few months, and then reverted back to being as sick as I was before. The problem was additional food intolerance. In my opinion, my problems with these foods are due to leaky gut from years of undiagnosed Celiac.

I manage to eat pretty well--although I do admit to getting bored with my food sometimes. I'm like you in that if I deviate from my safe list, I will feel the consequences.

I avoid gluten, dairy, soy and all other legumes, coconut, citrus fruit, and corn. My system is sensitive, and I can only eat rice once a week. I don't eat any other grains.

Yes, it sure isn't easy. Nice to know one is not alone.

Love your sidekick. Super cute. I put my dog on gluten,corn and soy free dog food. She has been very farty from it though. Strange.

[jerseyangel]

Love your sidekick. Super cute. I put my dog on gluten,corn and soy free dog food. She has been very farty from it though. Strange.

Thanks! He's a sweetheart for sure I recently put him on gluten-free cat food--and he loves it! His coat, which was always beautiful, is even softer now.

[motherof4]

I am thinking about following his food recommendations. I just wonder what there is actually left to eat?? Fish, chicken..

I can't have nuts and I am allergic to a bunch of fruits.

Here are the steps, but take a look at the online lecture for more about it.

Open Original Shared Link

My stomach seems to be so sensitive. It stays happy if I eat very kind food and don't step oustide the little stuff it likes to eat.

So far Gluten, casein and soy is what I can't handle...but it seems this isn't the end of it.

I was thinking about buying the DVD's Dr Fine is selling from his conferens.

Open Original Shared Link

Would be nice to talk to someone who is also interested in this.

I have Dr. Fine's DVD I also went to his conference in March. The DVD is very good. It has all of Dr. Fine' lectures from the conference as well as the guest speakers' lectures. Dr. Fine's musical performances are also included. In several of Dr. Fine's lectures, he focuses on nutrition as well as the 10 steps to finerhealth.

[Yenni]

I have Dr. Fine's DVD I also went to his conference in March. The DVD is very good. It has all of Dr. Fine' lectures from the conference as well as the guest speakers' lectures. Dr. Fine's musical performances are also included. In several of Dr. Fine's lectures, he focuses on nutrition as well as the 10 steps to finerhealth.

Thanks. That makes me wanna get it even more.

[Yenni]

Thanks! He's a sweetheart for sure I recently put him on gluten-free cat food--and he loves it! His coat, which was always beautiful, is even softer now.

My dog seems to like the taste better than the old food. She gained 10 Lb's, but she was on the skinny side before so it is fine.

[jaten]

I like the chicken sausages I can get at Wild Oats because they're just chicken and spices with no bad stuff, yet they come in various flavors.

I shop Wild Oats about once a month, but haven't seen these. Are they in the freezer? What brand? THANKS!

[NoGluGirl]

Dear Everyone,

Some of you may want to do a rotation diet. The reason is due to the fact I found out you can develop allergies to foods you eat too much of. You should not eat the same food but once every four days or so. My doc is putting me on one. She feels gluten is not my only trouble, and told me to stay away from dairy as well, particularly casein. This is tricky to figure out sometimes, but it is better than having more sensitivities and being further limited.

Sincerely,

NoGluGirl

[Nancym]

I was thinking about getting some seeds. Do you know of any safe brands or do you make them on your own?

I guess I should look into that book. Thanks for the tips! All of them.

Where is a good place to find info on elimination diets. It sounded scary to do on my own. I don't wanna end up not eating what I need.

Yes, it sure isn't easy. Nice to know one is not alone.

Make my own seeds? You mean, grow the plant, shell them myself? No. I just buy pumpkin or sunflower seeds, raw and shelled, from Trader Joe's. You could find them at any health food store. If you want to you can roast them yourself. Or buy them roasted.

SCD is a good diet to follow to figure things out. I personally dropped the milk from SCD because I knew I have a problem with Casein. SCD stands for Specific Carbohydrate Diet and you can find info by googling that.

[Yenni]

Dear Everyone,

Some of you may want to do a rotation diet. The reason is due to the fact I found out you can develop allergies to foods you eat too much of. You should not eat the same food but once every four days or so. My doc is putting me on one. She feels gluten is not my only trouble, and told me to stay away from dairy as well, particularly casein. This is tricky to figure out sometimes, but it is better than having more sensitivities and being further limited.

Sincerely,

NoGluGirl

I wish I had that much different foods so I could rotate...

According to Dr Fine you should stick with what you feel good eating and just add on some other stuff that you shouldn't have as often.. So he says the other way around kinda.

Hmm.

Make my own seeds? You mean, grow the plant, shell them myself? No. I just buy pumpkin or sunflower seeds, raw and shelled, from Trader Joe's. You could find them at any health food store. If you want to you can roast them yourself. Or buy them roasted.

SCD is a good diet to follow to figure things out. I personally dropped the milk from SCD because I knew I have a problem with Casein. SCD stands for Specific Carbohydrate Diet and you can find info by googling that.

Hehe

No I didn't mean grow the plant. It's just that all sunflower seeds I have seen in the stores here have stuff on them. Salt.. Not sure what. I wasn't sure they were safe.

I was wondering if you rosted them yourself.

(My English is probably a bit off sometimes too. I am Swedish. Married to an American since 7 years back.)

I'll Google that diet.

Thanks.

[Yenni]

I couldn't find that Chicken sausage. What was the brand?

I meant to post this picture from Dr Fine's online lecture.

It made me wonder what to eat. What is left.. It would have been great to hear what he eats during a week.

(Hmm.. doesn't wanna work. I don't know why. Maybe because it is a "GIF".)

It's on this page:

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Has some interesting stuff on why not to eat it too.

[motherof4]

I couldn't find that Chicken sausage. What was the brand?

I meant to post this picture from Dr Fine's online lecture.

It made me wonder what to eat. What is left.. It would have been great to hear what he eats during a week.

(Hmm.. doesn't wanna work. I don't know why. Maybe because it is a "GIF".)

It's on this page:

Open Original Shared Link

Has some interesting stuff on why not to eat it too.

Dr. Fine talked about what he eats on a day to day basis in one of his lectures at his Dallas seminar that was held in March. It's on the DVD you can buy (see www.intestinalhealth.org). I'll try to go back and find it on my DVD so that I can tell you. I can't remember right off which lecture it was (he gave many lectures).

[Yenni]

Dr. Fine talked about what he eats on a day to day basis in one of his lectures at his Dallas seminar that was held in March. It's on the DVD you can buy (see www.intestinalhealth.org). I'll try to go back and find it on my DVD so that I can tell you. I can't remember right off which lecture it was (he gave many lectures).

I am gonna buy that DVD when I get the money here. Thanks though.

Did you like the seminar? What kind of impression did you get of Dr Fine?

[Nancym]

I saw him in San Diego, not the seminar. I loved his lecture. It was more about the research on celiac and gluten sensitivity he is doing than specifiic dietary recommendations.

I differ with him on the dietary recommendations a little. I personally think we need more animal protein than he suggests and I also think eating both cooked and raw foods is beneficial as cooking helps you digest and get more nutrition from food while it does destroy some vitamins, thus eating both raw and cooked is good. I personally think nutritionists are way, way off base on promoting grains and dairy products. We need to go back to a diet we have spent the last 100's of thousands of years evolving on, which would be more of the less starchy fruits and vegetables, nuts, no grains, no dairy and plenty of meat/fish.

I'm a fan of Loren Cordain's paleo diet with a few modifications.

[motherof4]

I am gonna buy that DVD when I get the money here. Thanks though.

Did you like the seminar? What kind of impression did you get of Dr Fine?

I did like the seminar. The food was above my expectations, since I knew he is a vegetarian. He had turkey and fish available for us for dinner. His lectures were excellent, and his guest speakers were interesting and informative as well. I had already met Dr. Fine when he came to Virginia to speak about 3 years ago. I have a good impression of him.