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Over 25 Years Of Chasing A Diagnosis, Please Help, Elevated Ttg Iga

rcheltrvel

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frieze Community Regular
frieze
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statistics being.....those two genes account for less than one hundred percent of celiacs, and other genes are included in Europe....especially Dq9......

I wonder if the wine tasting issue was contamination with the crackers that are there to clear your palate?  not that you ate any, but maybe crumbs?

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IrishHeart Veteran
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statistics being.....those two genes account for less than one hundred percent of celiacs, and other genes are included in Europe....especially Dq9......

 

 

He did not make that clarification at all during his presentation. He seemed very clear about the DQ2 and DQ8 only.

 

just sayin--not arguing :) 

kareng Grand Master
kareng
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He did not make that clarification at all during his presentation. He seemed very clear about the DQ2 and DQ8 only.

 

just sayin--not arguing :)

 

 

Yep.  That's what various doctors said at ICDS in Sept, too.  

 

 

 

ICDS - International Celiac Disease Symposium

rcheltrvel Newbie
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I happen to live on the eastern end of Long Island, NY, gateway to the Long Island wineries (we have over 70). It's a big thing here and my husband and I go all the time, especially when visitors from out of town come to visit. This past weekend we went and at every winery, I asked about the glue/wheat thing. Most people said they didn't know but a few knowledgable people working there were able to confirm that they do use wheat in the paste or glue to seal some of the barrels. They have to use something that is edible to seal the barrels I was told, so they use a wheat paste sometimes or a glue that is all edible which includes wheat. It would make sense as to why I react to some wines and not others. I had wine from a steel barrel and nothing happened to me. I had one from oak where they used the paste and I did react. I am just going by what I was told and my symptoms. When you are finally gluten free, you can really see what gives you a reaction. I will keep testing alcohol and post my findings here :)

rcheltrvel Newbie
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statistics being.....those two genes account for less than one hundred percent of celiacs, and other genes are included in Europe....especially Dq9......

I wonder if the wine tasting issue was contamination with the crackers that are there to clear your palate?  not that you ate any, but maybe crumbs?

And no to the cracker thing. I brought all my own gluten free crackers and never touched anything else with wheat.

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I happen to live on the eastern end of Long Island, NY, gateway to the Long Island wineries (we have over 70). It's a big thing here and my husband and I go all the time, especially when visitors from out of town come to visit. This past weekend we went and at every winery, I asked about the glue/wheat thing. Most people said they didn't know but a few knowledgable people working there were able to confirm that they do use wheat in the paste or glue to seal some of the barrels. They have to use something that is edible to seal the barrels I was told, so they use a wheat paste sometimes or a glue that is all edible which includes wheat. It would make sense as to why I react to some wines and not others. I had wine from a steel barrel and nothing happened to me. I had one from oak where they used the paste and I did react. I am just going by what I was told and my symptoms. When you are finally gluten free, you can really see what gives you a reaction. I will keep testing alcohol and post my findings here :)

 

 

You may wish to read what the testing of this "wheat paste" reveals. It's a non-issue for celiacs in terms of levels of detectable gluten.

 

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rcheltrvel Newbie
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I have read that article and many others. Some people react to stuff that is below the lower limit of gluten, right? I seem to be that one that has reactions to things with gluten in it under 20 parts per million.

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rcheltrvel Newbie
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Who knows, it could be the sulfides effecting me but then why would vodka bother me?

GottaSki Mentor
GottaSki
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Who knows, it could be the sulfides effecting me but then why would vodka bother me?

 

Sometimes alcohol is simply hard on a damaged digestive system.  Give it some time gluten-free and try again :)

rcheltrvel Newbie
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Maybe that is it Lisa, I hope so. 

kareng Grand Master
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I have read that article and many others. Some people react to stuff that is below the lower limit of gluten, right? I seem to be that one that has reactions to things with gluten in it under 20 parts per million.

 

 

Testing under 20 ppm doesn't not mean the product has 19 ppm.  It could have 2ppm or 0.  If they had used a test for 10 ppm, it might have been negative,too. 

nvsmom Community Regular
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Actually, Dr. Fasano addressed the genetic component at the gluten-free Conference Saturday in Orlando and he talked about this rather factually.

He said the HLA-DQ2 and HLA-DQ8 genes are the only genes associated with celiac. They are necessary for it, but not determinate.

In other words, you may have the genes and never trigger it. But if you do not have DQ2 or DQ8, celiac is excluded.

I know there are reports of cases where people have a celiac diagnosis, and do not carry either of these genes, and I cannot account for the abnormality. I am merely reporting what he said. He said they have researched it and this is still the conclusion.

Nobody yell at me now. I am just the messenger.

I know that is the theory but..... What about those like ravenwoodglass who is a firmly diagnosed celiac who does not have those DQ2 and 8 genes, I think she has the double DQ9.... I think that's what it was. I think.

I know doctors say that it is impossible to have celiac disease without those genes, but it is quite amazing how often the impossible happens when it comes to medical issues. ;). LOL

GottaSki Mentor
GottaSki
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There are also MANY unknown other issues within the Functional Digestive Disorders realm -- I have every marker for celiac disease -- that did not stop me from developing or being born with another unknown functional GI disorder.

IrishHeart Veteran
IrishHeart
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There can be elevated TtG antibodies in  liver disease or other AI diseases..

There can be villous atrophy in other disease states too

Causes of Villous Atrophy Other Than Celiac Disease

  • Giardiasis
  • Collagenous sprue
  • Common-variable immunodeficiency
  • Autoimmune enteropathy
  • Radiation enteritis
  • Whipple’s disease
  • Tuberculosis
  • Tropical sprue
  • Eosinophilic gastroenteritis
  • Human immunodeficiency virus enteropathy
  • Intestinal lymphoma
  • Zollinger–Ellison syndrome
  • Crohn’s disease
  • Intolerance of foods other than gluten (e.g., milk, soy, chicken, tuna)

So a combo of the "positive blood test" and "a positive biopsy" still may not mean celiac.

 

The genetic test would be the tie breaker, so to speak.

rcheltrvel Newbie
rcheltrvel
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So far I have elevated TtG antibodies and nothing else wrong. What happens then? What if every test under the sun comes back negative besides TTG-IGA?

IrishHeart Veteran
IrishHeart
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Find out why they are elevated.  Was the biopsy neg? gene test neg?

rcheltrvel Newbie
rcheltrvel
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gene test and biopsy both negative and my uncle is a good pathologist in new york city and I had my slides sent to him for a second opinion, he said the GI took enough samples and everything looked fine.

kareng Grand Master
kareng
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gene test and biopsy both negative and my uncle is a good pathologist in new york city and I had my slides sent to him for a second opinion, he said the GI took enough samples and everything looked fine.

 

 

Sounds like you don't have Celiac.  Good for you!   :)

anand Newbie
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U may want to read

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And also see if any gluten sensitivity specialist like dr fasano , Is interested in ur situation...

An intestinal permeability test will also help determine extent of leaky gut, which u can work towards sealing...

Best wishes,,,

nvsmom Community Regular
nvsmom
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There can be elevated TtG antibodies in  liver disease or other AI diseases..

There can be villous atrophy in other disease states too

Causes of Villous Atrophy Other Than Celiac Disease

  • Giardiasis
  • Collagenous sprue
  • Common-variable immunodeficiency
  • Autoimmune enteropathy
  • Radiation enteritis
  • Whipple’s disease
  • Tuberculosis
  • Tropical sprue
  • Eosinophilic gastroenteritis
  • Human immunodeficiency virus enteropathy
  • Intestinal lymphoma
  • Zollinger–Ellison syndrome
  • Crohn’s disease
  • Intolerance of foods other than gluten (e.g., milk, soy, chicken, tuna)

So a combo of the "positive blood test" and "a positive biopsy" still may not mean celiac.

 

The genetic test would be the tie breaker, so to speak.

 

Good point.

rcheltrvel Newbie
rcheltrvel
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No way, stay on my thread, I love a good argument! I don't have to think about me and my problems for a minute!!! :)

nvsmom Community Regular
nvsmom
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No way, stay on my thread, I love a good argument! I don't have to think about me and my problems for a minute!!! :)

 

LOL Dr House would be handy here.  ;)

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