News: Celiac.com: The science is in — why gluten sensitivity is probably fake

[Scott Adams]

Unless you have Celiac Disease, your sensitivity to "gluten" probably has nothing to do with gluten at all. Following is ... But it's also in gluten-free foods like agave, artichokes, asparagus, garlic, leeks, and onion. ... The people weren't allergic to gluten but they ate gluten-free due to digestion sensitivity.

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[Victoria1234]

4 hours ago, admin said:

Unless you have Celiac Disease, your sensitivity to "gluten" probably has nothing to do with gluten at all. Following is ... But it's also in gluten-free foods like agave, artichokes, asparagus, garlic, leeks, and onion. ... The people weren't allergic to gluten but they ate gluten-free due to digestion sensitivity.

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Also see this: Open Original Shared Link

Wonder if this will help self diagnosed people decide if they are celiac or not? 

[Feeneyja]

This is a much better paper than the article posted above.

Open Original Shared LinkThe Overlapping Area of Non-Celiac Gluten Sensitivity (NCGS) and Wheat-Sensitive Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS): An Update

 It is very thorough, and describes the complications in illucidating the causes of NCGS and how to separate it from IBS. Of note from this paper: Fodmaps do NOT cause extra intestinal symptoms.  Also noted is the difficulty in recruiting subjects to investigate NCGS since most refuse to reintroduce gluten for testing. So there may be some bias in these studies towards those with less severe/complex symptoms. 

There is much more to this paper. I’m just scratching the surface and need to give it a thorough going over.  

[Jmg]

29 minutes ago, Feeneyja said:

Of note from this paper: Fodmaps do NOT cause extra intestinal symptoms.

That was one of the faults of the Monash experiments in my view. They specifically selected patients with IBS symptoms. They then established that most of them weren't responding to gluten and from that finding came a spate of 'no such thing as gluten sensitivity' articles. Of course the reality is that NCGS is primarily non intestinal so the entire area of gluten ataxia and NCGS has been summarily dismissed due to Monash's headline grabbing research. 

The damage from that is still being felt to this day. I regularly see smug, vacuous, statements from people who wouldn't know a polyol from a polythene bag saying that NCGS has been proved not to exist. I've long since lost the will to direct them to the relevant papers etc. 

I know however that anyone coming up to me and telling me:

22 hours ago, admin said:

Unless you have Celiac Disease, your sensitivity to "gluten" probably has nothing to do with gluten at all. 

is going to have a very bad day!

[Victoria1234]

2 hours ago, Jmg said:

saying that NCGS has been proved not to exist.

Including my doctor. 

[Jmg]

13 hours ago, Victoria1234 said:

Including my doctor. 

It's just bad science for them to say that. Certainly if he or she is going off the Monash research. When studies are conducted according to the Salerno criteria the results are different:

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[Gluten-free-01]

I’m getting tired of reading about fructans. Let’s say someone thinks they might be gluten sensitive. They get tested for celiac and the results are negative. So they remove gluten from their diet and see a huge improvement in their symptoms.

If fructans were to blame, wouldn’t they get rid of the symptoms only after removing BOTH wheat, rye and barley AND other high-fructan foods such as onions, garlic, Brussels sprouts, cabbage, broccoli, artichoke, asparagus and leeks?