Milk/gluten/what Else?

[VydorScope]

Okay, I have not any any dairy at all since Sunday. SHould I still be feeling symptons?

Today for example, I had hard boiled eggs for break fast, an Orange and a Banananananana for 2nd breakfast, then Oscar Myer Roast Beef and Baloney for lunch. Then Rasins on and off since then. Drinking was only water. I am droping wieght like nuts, but I am jsut basicly trying to make it through with out spending TOO much on DF foods (inaddtion to the gluten-free, and EF we already buy...) .

But today.. I feel like I did on Sunday (not as a bad as Saturday that was the worst since going gluten-free). I started to feel better till today. Yesterday I did not have the RB or the Baloney, but did have cadian bacon and enjoy life begal with my eggs for breakfast. Beef stew for lunch that my wife made in our crock pot was left overs from the night before dinner.

In my mind I am wondering a few things...

1) It was never the milk, but instead it was CC with gluten somewhere. If it was CC, I would definitly still be feeling it today and yesterday was just a cruel trick.

2) It was somthing to do with the RB or Baloney. Niether should have gluten or dairy in them based on thier ingredients, but CC is always possible. I might or might not have had RB or baloney near the time I drank the milk.

3) It was the milk and yesterday was just a cruel trick.

4) I am just gonna be sick for the rest of my life and I need to get over it.

What do you all think?

[Mango04]

If you're casein intolerant it might take longer until you stop feeling symptoms. To give you an idea, I've been dairy-free for well over ten years. Well, a couple months ago I decided to start eating raw goat cheese. I was doing so wonderfully with no GI type problems for several weeks. Then all of a sudden my throat started swelling and I was having weird cravings for it throughout the day and all sorts of other weird stuff was happening. So...I stopped eating it and that was about a month ago and yet my body is still in a highly reactive state. I am strongly reacting to soy lecithin and minute amounts of possible CC and having weird symptoms and I don't normally.

That was my really long-winded way of saying yeah - you could still be feeling symptions and you shoud stay off dairy for atleast 4-6 weeks. Then reintroduce it and see what happens. I'm not an expert - that's just based on my life-long experience with dairy allergies and intolerances. Be careful of things that might be cooked in butter. A lot of people overlook that for some reason.

[Felidae]

I wonder too. I have been gluten-free with wonderful results and then I went dairy free also with great results. But every week I seem to be getting loose bm's. I keep a food diary but I can't see a pattern.

Beef bothers me and I haven't eaten it in at least a year now. You may have to look at various things you are eating. Also weren't you egg free for quite a while because of your son. Maybe your body is just reacting to the eggs being back in your diet.

[VydorScope]

Yea on the eggs, but I am runnig out of foods I CAN eat heh. I REALY hope milk is not the issue... I can live wiht out bread, but ice cream???

[Carriefaith]

Maybe try a 100% dairy free diet for 2-3 weeks and then try introducing dairy again and see how you feel?

[Mahee34]

vydorscope i'm going through the same thing.....i mean i have a reaction with ice cream but not so much with cheese and milk.....and there are some days where i am super careful about what i eat and it seems like those are my worst days. i had some tests done and aparently my body had too much bad bacteria and not even good bacteria, so i'm one some sweet greek named supplements and they scheduled more allergy tests and a complete scope for the first week in may.

honestly , my saving grace besides immodium, which is just a given. has been exercising. I was a college athlete who busted my knee all to hell and decided to take some time off from the whole working out business. i just recently got back into it and have been sticking with it and it has done wonders on how i feel...maybe it was the mental aspect for me but as the weather gets nicer and you get to go outside more with that adorable son of yours hopefully you'll start feeling better.

[lonewolf]

Yea on the eggs, but I am runnig out of foods I CAN eat heh. I REALY hope milk is not the issue... I can live wiht out bread, but ice cream???

Welcome to my life! No gluten, no dairy (except for occasional raw goat cheese), no soy, no eggs. You'll begin to appreciate sorbet, rice dream, tea dream and smoothies to satisfy your ice cream cravings.

You eat about 5 times as much as I do (and you're probably thin, too ), so it could be a challenge, but you can live quite nicely on meat, rice, rice pasta, rice bread, rice cakes, nut butter, nuts, fruit, vegies and water. Learn to bake lots of cookies and muffins and pancakes and eat planned leftovers and you'll be fine. Really, feeling good is way better than eating what you want, and your restrictions will probably be temporary.

[aikiducky]

1) It was never the milk, but instead it was CC with gluten somewhere. If it was CC, I would definitly still be feeling it today and yesterday was just a cruel trick.

I think it sounded like a glutening from your previous posts. In that case, I guess you should wait a couple more weeks with dairy, because you won't be able to tell symptoms apart otherwise. It's a good idea anyway, because that way you really have a good break from dairy, so you should react to it noticeably IF you indeed have a problem with it. So my opinion would be, wait a bit longer.

BTW, when I get glutened, I often feel the worst about a week after the glutening, even though I might start feeling better in between...

Pauliina

[VydorScope]

Maybe try a 100% dairy free diet for 2-3 weeks and then try introducing dairy again and see how you feel?

Cause I wnat ice cream!

Been 100% DF since Sunday (to the best of my knowledge), so not off to a bad start, just dunno. If I can get to Wild Oats so I can at least get some varity of foods it wont be so bad....

[bluejeangirl]

Did you have the roast beef and bolongna meat on saturday/sunday? I stay away from processed meats especially bologna. It seemed like the older I got the more I had to eliminate processed foods and stick to foods in their naturally state. So I would have to roast the beef myself cool it and slice it for sandwiches.

There is a sausage I can tolerate. Its made with ground chicken. Its by al fresco and its 75% less fat no artificial ingredients and it comes in different flavors. Its wonderful and quick. You might have that in your store. Alot of times its in the freezer cases.

So consider the little hidden ingredients, the ones they put under flavorings etc and flavor inhancers. MSG will get me so sick its crazy.

Gail

[VydorScope]

Do not think so BUT I think I did have OM Hotdogs, and the ingredients in thier hotdogs and baloney (only get all beef of each) are essentialy the same.

as mentioned (with a cute story) in this thread:

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I gave blood this am for an IgE test, but I am struggling to remember what he tested for. I think it was Casien, Whey, Oat, Beef, Soy, And some other things that i realy do not recall. I should call and ask. Since that test is out there I think I am gonna back of the DF a bit and coast till results come in.

[Rachel--24]

If you're casein intolerant it might take longer until you stop feeling symptoms. To give you an idea, I've been dairy-free for well over ten years. Well, a couple months ago I decided to start eating raw goat cheese. I was doing so wonderfully with no GI type problems for several weeks. Then all of a sudden my throat started swelling and I was having weird cravings for it throughout the day and all sorts of other weird stuff was happening. So...I stopped eating it and that was about a month ago and yet my body is still in a highly reactive state. I am strongly reacting to soy lecithin and minute amounts of possible CC and having weird symptoms and I don't normally.

That was my really long-winded way of saying yeah - you could still be feeling symptions and you shoud stay off dairy for atleast 4-6 weeks.

Thanks for your post Meredith

You answered some questions for me.

When I'm glutened I get highly reactive to other foods, chemicals, etc. Even though I've been gluten-free almost a year I'm still in this reactive state more often than not....I react to c.c. and have had to stick to whole foods. I know for a fact dairy is a problem...it messes me up just as much as gluten does but I never thought to check for all sources of casein. I just try to avoid the obvious but still tried stuff that was non-dairy like cool whip. I didnt realize it had casein and figured it was some other ingredient making me sick.

I have just figured out that I'm casein intolerant and this is probably why I've never fully healed and have stayed "reactive". I've never been casein free and both of my supplements contained dairy. I was having weird cravings for my supplement (tasted like milk) and this is what clued me into the intolerance. This was only 3 days ago and since I stopped taking them my energy level has skyrocketed and my headaches and brainfog have lessened. The past few months I was dragging through the day...not as bad as pre-gluten-free....but still pretty bad. Its been like this since the holidays when I ate a fair amount of dairy and even though I backed off I then started with the supplements.

My body is pretty messed up and still havent gained much weight since going gluten-free....could dairy have been holding me back all this time? I still have rumbling in my intestines, still feel reactive...but its a tiny bit better now. The fact that my brainfog lifted and my energy is good tells me something is happening because this is exactly what I experienced when I went gluten-free. If casein was the reason for all this how long do you think it could take to get out of this "reactive" state and maybe start gaining some weight?

I'm doing SCD right now so my diet is very plain and hypo-allergenic. Grain free, dairy free, chemical free, etc. Even though losing dairy is very sad for me (I'm an addict) I'm excited about whats occured over the past 3 days.

[flagbabyds]

when i get casein, i get reactions for up to a week. You should be feeling better soon, and you will not be sick for the rest of your life, that would just suck.