This Is Nuts!

[tarnalberry]

have you broken out your spreadsheet to analyze on a per meal - not just per day - basis? that's what you're aiming for these days. the 'per sitting' distribution of macronutrients. (now, if only the nutrient database would export easily to a tab-delimited file!)

[VydorScope]

have you broken out your spreadsheet to analyze on a per meal - not just per day - basis? that's what you're aiming for these days. the 'per sitting' distribution of macronutrients. (now, if only the nutrient database would export easily to a tab-delimited file!)

Nope, Durring Atkins I just had a target and worked towards it realy, and kind of spread it out some what evenly... but I was eating pretty much nonstop... Ive always been a constant snacker... now I know why!

[VydorScope]

Kroger this week had "Whole Milk Plain Yogurt" from Stonyfield. So I grabn some "fresh" strawberries and that. Figure I can use them to flavor it more naturaly. Prbly blend up some strawberries them mix them in to the yougurt. Dunno yet. But the fat/carbs/protien was much nicer on ti.

[tarnalberry]

woot! the flavor might take some getting used to, but real yogurt is tasty stuff.

*sighs dreamily*

[VydorScope]

WElp I put strawberries int eh blender and some of the yogurt sutff... and made a tasty mixture,,, but was WAY to runny, poured it in a cup and drank it. heh. I guess I can add it to my smoothies for fat/protien add on. Not sure what I did wrong, prbly just to much water in teh strawberries.

[tarnalberry]

WElp I put strawberries int eh blender and some of the yogurt sutff... and made a tasty mixture,,, but was WAY to runny, poured it in a cup and drank it. heh. I guess I can add it to my smoothies for fat/protien add on. Not sure what I did wrong, prbly just to much water in teh strawberries.

but it makes a good drink anyway! ;-) much like kefir (though the cultures are a little different)

[VydorScope]

but it makes a good drink anyway! ;-) much like kefir (though the cultures are a little different)

Yea, as I recall strawberries are fiarly nice to blood sugar, so I figure they are good thing to flavor with. I just might use it for that.

OKay now that some time has passed I am sure of 2 things...

1) Son did not have the stomahc flue. He got gluten, prbly at the Sunday school in the second sessoin since there was a sub that we never saw before. Timing of when he threw up is perfect, and he STILL has very bad multple big-D's a day. Ah well... its been a long while, so guess we ere due.

2) I did not have the flue either, I was jsut stupid and ate no sugar and crashed very hard. WIth hindsight I think thats easy to see. Ugh. Gotta be more careful! I was thinking sugar was merely the problem, not part of the solution.

[tarnalberry]

2) I did not have the flue either, I was jsut stupid and ate no sugar and crashed very hard. WIth hindsight I think thats easy to see. Ugh. Gotta be more careful! I was thinking sugar was merely the problem, not part of the solution.

I've been trying to come up with a good analogy for you that would work, and I don't know if I have, but in this case, you can kind of think of it as light on a CCD in a digital camera.

(Consider, for the sake of this argument, a fixed ISO equivalent.)

At any particular shutter speed, you can crank down the aperature, and have very few photons get through. But then you'll get almost nothing registering on the CCD. Useless, in terms of a picture due to underexposure. You can open up aperature, but if you get it too high, you overwhelm your CCD, and again, useless in terms of a picture due to overexposure. Light is the problem in both situations, but if you want a picture at all, it's definitely an important part of the solution!

I'm sorry your son got glutened. :-( Hope he's feeling better soon.

[VydorScope]

I've been trying to come up with a good analogy for you that would work, and I don't know if I have, but in this case, you can kind of think of it as light on a CCD in a digital camera.

(Consider, for the sake of this argument, a fixed ISO equivalent.)

At any particular shutter speed, you can crank down the aperature, and have very few photons get through. But then you'll get almost nothing registering on the CCD. Useless, in terms of a picture due to underexposure. You can open up aperature, but if you get it too high, you overwhelm your CCD, and again, useless in terms of a picture due to overexposure. Light is the problem in both situations, but if you want a picture at all, it's definitely an important part of the solution!

I'm sorry your son got glutened. :-( Hope he's feeling better soon.

hehe Thanks, but I guess you can say I did an expeirment and discovered that conclusivly LOL. Still trying figure out whats the right balance.. woke in pain again, but ate a more carby breakfast and it got better. Actaully had Cocoa puffs (1.5 serv roughly 40 carbs + 4oz milk) AND grain free meatlof (all gone now... not sure what I will do now LOL) covered in moz and cheddar cheese.

[VydorScope]

OH for those that are wondering hers the meatlof recipe we use...

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[key]

Your son could have rotavirus?? It causes vomiting and then diarhea for awhile after. Days to weeks. It is a nasty bug. I am not saying that he wasn't gluttened, but just another suggestion of what may be wrong with him. Is he eating very well??

Monica

[VydorScope]

Your son could have rotavirus?? It causes vomiting and then diarhea for awhile after. Days to weeks. It is a nasty bug. I am not saying that he wasn't gluttened, but just another suggestion of what may be wrong with him. Is he eating very well??

Monica

Well he COULD, but I do not think so. Its fittinng the patern to well.

[elye]

Vincent, I'm curious...were you on Atkins to lose weight? Because if weight is an issue for you, then I can understand a constant (and heavy-handed) restriction on carbohydrate. But when you are a sensitive (or "brittle", in diabetes lingo) hypoglycemic, a diet that only allows carbs to trickle in can be a recipe for disaster. Is your weight at a healthy level right now?

[VydorScope]

Vincent, I'm curious...were you on Atkins to lose weight? Because if weight is an issue for you, then I can understand a constant (and heavy-handed) restriction on carbohydrate. But when you are a sensitive (or "brittle", in diabetes lingo) hypoglycemic, a diet that only allows carbs to trickle in can be a recipe for disaster. Is your weight at a healthy level right now?

When I started dieting (Aktins was the only successfull attempt) I was nearly 200 pounds, and lost all the way down to 159. While doing Aktins I was eating around 80-100 carbs a day. I forget exactly where I ended up. I want to say 100, but for some reason 90 is stiking in my head. I am around 165-170 pounds now which is about right form my 5'11" tall, large bonded frame.

I never did Atkins Induction phase, in fact I started at 60 carbs a day and worked up to find the best level for me at that time. It was MUCH higher then "normal" ppl for Aktins. I never paid attn per meal before, and it just always worked out.

[elye]

So, this hypostuff is new for you because you're not just concerned about amount of carbs during the day, but amount and TIMING of carbs during the day. Gotta be throughout, accompanied with protein. Eating 100 g of carbohydrate a day now is likely fine, as long as you are not consuming it all in one sitting. The hypoglycemic system is going to have you feeling pretty lousy if you do that...perhaps even incapacitated.

[penguin]

The classic ol' diabetes diet, which in the face of all the new "cutting edge" eating plans that bombard us through the years, has always stood the test of time in my perspective, and teaches that ONLY starchy veggies, ie. potatoes, corn, peas and legumes, have enough carbohydrate in them to count as a carb exchange. So I always count the other veggies as necessary antioxidant and vitamin sources, and not much else. I'm sure that train of though would work for hypos, as well...

Hypoglycemics are diabetics without all the pesky insulin stuff

I do use a scale , and the database, and Excel even!

When I was doing Aktins I was close to 100carbs a day to get to a stable condition, which is MUCH higher then recomeded on teh diet, prehaps that what I need to counter the hyposugar stuffs

I love that you tm'ed the hyposugar stuffs !!!

Remember basic nutrition with your "empty" carbs and your complex carbs. Ice cream is definitely empty carbs, added sugar or not. So are potato chips and the like. Whole grains are complex carbs (brown rice for example), as are fruits and some veggies. Those guys burn a lot slower than simple carbs

[dlp252]

May I but in for a moment and ask a potentially stupid question since I'm not sure I really even have a blood sugar issue yet?

Here goes...does it matter in what order you eat your carbs. For instance, I kind of grew up in the habit of having something sweet after my meals. FOrtunately for me it doesn't matter if it's fruit or a danish, but I was wondering if eating fruit last would cause problems.

The reason I'm asking is that for the last couple of days I've been mindful of trying to eat balanced meals and snacks but I've been ending the meal with a little fruit (main source of carbs though although sometimes a starchy veggie too), but I'm still ravenously hungry just a short time after I eat. I've also been trying to get the ratios of carbs/protein/fat a little better. My fat ratio is usually the biggest, with the carbs and protein being fairly close to one another.

[VydorScope]

So, this hypostuff is new for you because you're not just concerned about amount of carbs during the day, but amount and TIMING of carbs during the day. Gotta be throughout, accompanied with protein. Eating 100 g of carbohydrate a day now is likely fine, as long as you are not consuming it all in one sitting. The hypoglycemic system is going to have you feeling pretty lousy if you do that...perhaps even incapacitated.

Yea starting to learn that the hard way. Question.. with Hyposugar Stuffs do I have ot have both FAT and PROTIEN with every meal?

I love that you tm'ed the hyposugar stuffs ™!!!

Yep, and you now owe me $1 for using it.

[tarnalberry]

Yea starting to learn that the hard way. Question.. with Hyposugar Stuffs do I have ot have both FAT and PROTIEN with every meal?

You'll learn for yourself what your body needs. I find that I can often get away with one meal being a combination of, say, protein and carbs, but not two. By then, I need fat. Less often I can get away with fat and carbs for a single meal. So, for me, I do need all three, but it's not as strict as the carb 'rules'. ;-)

[elye]

Yep, I tend to be the same as Tiffany...I can do a couple of meals with carb and protein and little or no fat, but I don't want to separate protein and carb at any meal, ever, if I can manage it. Now, this is a type one diabetic talking, so I realize we are quite differnet at times from you excessive-insulin types. Vincent, I would strongly suggest that you make it a priority to try right now to hit all three food types (fats, proteins and carbs) at every meal. I keep thinking that you'll really start feeling well once you eat a source of all three things in the right amounts (that can be tricky part, at first) when you sit down to eat. Maybe worry about the relative amounts later...just get into the habit of all three, at each meal...

[VydorScope]

I expected that answer heh. It is finding that many intresting meals a day LOL Hmm that means a Cheeseburger with bun is a balanced meal!

BTW - I measured my walk (by driving it in my turck) and it is between 5.5 and 6 miles pending which varition we take. Was shocked to see its that long. But Summer is comming , and that will be the end of my walks, I can not take the heat, in the mid 80's I get nasues, weak, and headaches.. and it just gets worse as the temp climbs. I miss winter already.... I guess I will have to break down and fix my treadmill heheh.

[elye]

Important for all kinds of reasons to keep that walking up...don't forget--lots of complex carb right before you set off, and in this case I'd have it alone. Heavy exercise brings on a blood sugar drop. so let the carbs work to raise it up and balance things out. So much to remember, huh? Forget the reset and mute buttons, I need a "program blood sugar regulation" button to hit every morning. Boy, talk about a dream.....

[VydorScope]

Complex carbs are lower on teh Gylcomagic lists right? What is the magic dividing line?

[Felidae]

I've read all of the posts on this topic. So, I started last week adding more protein and veggies and less carbs. I wanted to see if it improved my soft bm's. It is amazing how good I feel. I find it counter intuitive because I thought more carbs would help, but it seems that less is the key.

[elye]

Complex carbs are lower on teh Gylcomagic lists right? What is the magic dividing line?

It seems to vary from person to person, and from diabetic to hypoglycemic, but yes, complex carbs take more work to digest and a longer period to do so--this means a slower, less pronounced rise in BS. When I'm going for a blistering 8 kilometre run (rare these days) I have a big serving of high GI stuff as I'm setting off, and don't worry a whole lot about whether it's complex or not. For me, the high # is all that matters. Figs are excellent. A less intense workout means a snack with a lower number. It is a lot of trial and error, but I know you will be surprised at how quickly you will figure it out.