Update From My Neighbor's Ghetto Kid

[blueeyedmanda]

The neighbor kids have gone too far. Some of you know we have been having problems with my neighbors grown child (18-19) yr old and his friends. I think I told you guys about them partying all night this summer. Our rental office did nothing to help. In August, they broke up into my neighbors apartment below us. We live in a nice complex, they call it luxury apartments, so in each

[Lisa]

Sorry Amanda,

I hope your problem neighbors move out soon without further issues.

[DingoGirl]

This is HEINOUS!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG - honey - if I lived closer - - I would take GREAT PLEASURE in coming out there w/ a can of whoopass and my Iriquois Skull Cracker............. I kid you not when I say it would put the fear of God in them...........

so glad you're watching out for each other. My advice is - LOOK THEM dead in the eye, give a very slightly menacing yet knowing, direct stare, with just the TEEEEEEEEENSIEST hint of a smirk - do it frequently, it is confusing. Go out there and stand in their midst......it is very disquieting to miscreants to see a woman doing this to them and can stop them dead in their tracks. Often you can try to befriend them too, with a confusing mix of authority and amusement.......just don't show fear, EVER, this is what they thrive on and this encourages them.

<um, I realize I may have just sounded like a crazy lady. It's not possible for me to explain how to do these things, I just do them and they work....... >

[Judyin Philly]

I have no experience in matters like this but I'm glad your all watching out for each other

If John's car shows sugar etc in the gas tank, :ph34r:man Man I'd file a report so fast and encourage the other neighbors to do the same. Maybe the police can patrol your area more often since the officer said your 'building' has never had problems.......so now that you do..........maybe they can just be a presence and i just don't understand with all these complaints why the property manager can't evict them............ my 2 cents worth....................

I'm just so sorry you need to deal with this. the daughter who is afraid to leave her mom there alone should certainly be reported to the manager .............oh..............the police could watch that handicap parking place and sure give them at least a ticket for that...........they sure don't tolerate that around my neck of the woods.

Judy

[Cheri A]

((hugs)) I'm sorry that you have to deal with that. I would tell management that if they aren't moving, then you will be looking for another place, and I would.

[debmidge]

Advice I have had my share of low class neighbors and this is what attorney told me to do:

1) keep a diary of the incidents...use a steno pad - it's all you need nothing fancy

2) file police reports on every incident immediately as they happen and do not fail to meniton that the man in that apartment is on probation. The police will probably question him and report these incidents to his probation officer. That's what happened in our situation. My neighbor (who was in his sixties) was on probation for theft and my police reports about his abusive unneighborhly behavior happened to land on his probation officer's desk - the police probably passed them along as I had the guy's social security number from a prior police report (before the privacy acts came out). A month after I filed my report with police, the neighbor gave his moving notice to my superintendent and they were gone within 3 months.

3) report the man to his probation officer - it should be public record of what he did (if he is not a minor) at the office of the county probation officer. The probation officer could pull his probation and he could land up in jail. However, he'd be your enemy again once he's back on the street. It all depends. I wasn't afraid of my neighbor because he looked like Fat Bast**d from the Mike Meyers spy movie. I was afraid of his wife, however. She was a scapper at 66 years old and she was stalking me. She used to yell at me through the walls of her apartment that she was going to pay someone to beat us up. This was because we were "making noise" - to them noise was running the vaccum cleaner between the day hours of 9-2 PM, or moving a chair in the kitchen at 7 PM, or dropping something in the bathroom at 6 PM. They were nuts. But I had also recorded her on a hand held tape recorder - out in the open and had her on tape. I had a 6-page police report when I was finished. I was going to proscute them for harrassment but I didn't have to as he was on probation and my thinking is that his probation officer advised him to move out.

4) What is the nature of that young man's criminal record (why is he on probation?). Sometimes when a person has a criminal record a complex has the right to bar him from living there. My complex has a 3 police report rule. If the police have to be called 3 times as you're a problem, you're out.

[Judyin Philly]

hi Deb and Amanda

I should have known Deb could come on with the numbered list................

you are always there to bail us out of the tough ones.

Such good .........EXCELLENT ............ suggestions

Be careful out there Amanda..........This is so sad.....

Judy

[blueeyedmanda]

Good Advice Deb,

Actually he was a minor when he went on probation and I believe he spent time in juvenile jail last winter. So he has been a minor. He is only 18ish now. The mother is not supposed to have him living here but he keeps coming back.

[debmidge]

Can you call the county probation office annonomously (spelling?) and talk about this kid to a supervisor? Perhaps they can intercede in situation without saying who called, etc. and get him out of there or tell him to wise up otherwise it's jail time for him? The fact he's on probation and not a minor any longer is in your favor.

[blueeyedmanda]

Update time again....

So John's car went to the garage. The garage called today....someone put Salad Dressing into the gas tank....Nuts! So the garage has kept all the evidence for us and is going to help us with reporting it. I am waiting for a call from the cops right now and also the rental office who I am going to have another round of words with them...

[confused]

Update time again....

So John's car went to the garage. The garage called today....someone put Salad Dressing into the gas tank....Nuts! So the garage has kept all the evidence for us and is going to help us with reporting it. I am waiting for a call from the cops right now and also the rental office who I am going to have another round of words with them...

Omg those kids need a good kick in the butt and straight to jail, not juvie hall. I wish u all the luck.

paula

[dlp252]

I'm just so sorry you have to go through any of this!! I'm really glad that you and your OTHER neighbors are so close...that definitely helps!

[Dandelion]

Amanda,

I don't if this applies where you live, but you might want to look it up. There is a real estate covenant concerning the Right of the Quiet Enjoyment of Your Home. I got this from a google search:

"A Covenant that promises that the grantee or tenant of an estate in real property will be able to possess the premises in peace, without disturbance by hostile claimants.

Quiet enjoyment is a right to the undisturbed use and enjoyment of real property by a tenant or landowner. The right to quiet enjoyment is contained in covenants concerning real estate. Generally a covenant is an agreement between two parties to do or refrain from doing something.

Courts read a covenant of quiet enjoyment between the Landlord and Tenant into every rental agreement, or tenancy. Thus a renter, or tenant, has the right to quiet enjoyment of the leased premises regardless of whether the rental agreement contains such a covenant.

In the covenant of quiet enjoyment, the landlord promises that during the term of the tenancy no one will disturb the tenant in the tenant's use and enjoyment of the premises. Quiet enjoyment includes the right to exclude others from the premises, the right to peace and quiet, the right to clean premises, and the right to basic services such as heat and hot water and, for high-rise buildings, elevator service."

You may actually have the right to sue the neighbor. We had a harassing neighbor in our old apartment complex. We finally had enough of them and after the landlord did nothing but talk to them we contacted a lawyer. They wrote to the landlord to let him know that we would be suing the neighbors if they did not either calm down or leave the building. We also told him that we would be suing him for not taking care of the situation. You have to also sue the landlord to sue the tenants here.

I hope this helps.

Beth

[blueeyedmanda]

Thank you for that info, Beth. I am going to look into it.

[Dandelion]

Good luck Amanda. By the way, I never had to sue the neighbors. The letter was enough to scare the landlord and the annoying tenants into good behavior.

[cruelshoes]

I have no good advice to add that wouldn't require you to step over to the wrong side of the law. But I am sorry you are going through this. I think documenting things is the best thing you can do right now. A steno pad or even a calendar so you can mark things down on the date they occurred.

I don't want to put a damper on your joy in them getting evicted, but they might not be out on exactly the eviction date, My sister is an apartment manager, and there are so many hoops she has to jump through to get someone evicted. A lot of times the police have to come and escort the people off the property.

Maybe this will help make you feel better. Once my sister had to evict a woman that was a Santeria (sp?) priestess and was performing animal sacrifices in her apartment. She would kill goats and string their entrails over her patio railing. No I am not making that up.

[blueeyedmanda]

Even the cops cannot believe that this has been allowed to go on this long.

[Judyin Philly]

Even the cops cannot believe that this has been allowed to go on this long.

Just got on line ...........well with the statement from the cops and the report from the garage......I would hope that the police might give you tips on how to best proceed if the managers don't listen to you.

I also am glad that the other neighbors are all baning together.............numbers are power.

good luck Amanda.

[kbtoyssni]

I'm sorry, but the salad dressing thing made me laugh Seriously, who thinks to do something like that???

Can the disabled lady call your local towing company and get the car parked in her spot towed? It's illegal to park in a handicap spot, although I'm not sure how the law is enforced.

Good luck, I hope they get evicted soon.

[Judyin Philly]

Can the disabled lady call your local towing company and get the car parked in her spot towed? It's illegal to park in a handicap spot, although I'm not sure how the law is enforced.

good point..........as this is something the police can come and ticket and more documentation.

let's hear it for 'old folks' kicking some butt.

judy

[~alex~]

This sounds like such a frustrating and upsetting experience. You shouldn't have to feel uncomfortable and threatened in your own home and neighbourhood. I would say call your MPP but I don't know what the equivalent of this would be in The States. I hope the situation improves quickly. I'm sorry you have to deal with this.

[blueeyedmanda]

So I forgot to update you all over the semi good news!!!

The one kid was arrested on Friday afternoon!!! Not our neighbors son but one of his friends, and from what I gathered it was the kid with 6 charges of armed robbery and warrants. Good news!

[loco-ladi]

Update time again....

So John's car went to the garage. The garage called today....someone put Salad Dressing into the gas tank....Nuts! So the garage has kept all the evidence for us and is going to help us with reporting it. I am waiting for a call from the cops right now and also the rental office who I am going to have another round of words with them...

First off sorry your having a rough time with the neighbor kid....

but I would bet money his FINGERPRINTS are alllllllllll over the gas cap!!!!!!!!!! violation of probation puts his butt back where he belongs!!!!!!

I also agree with the "presence thing" someone mentioned earlier, dont even have to perfect the "stare" just make sure anytime "the kid" is outside the apartment someone is outside just watching him. Take turns even anyone sees him outside just feel the need to sit on your deck or something.... and even better if everyone who did that also carried at least what "appeared" to be a camera with them

[Judyin Philly]

Amanda ..............SUCH GOOD NEWS.

MAYBE THE OTHER KIDS WILL GET THE MESSAGE AND HANG OUT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

PLEASE..........KEEP US INFORMED.

DID ANYTHING COME FROM THE 'DRESSING IN THE GAS TANK'?

SO THINGS ARE MORE QUIET AT YOUR HOME NOW.............?

JUDY

[dlp252]

So I forgot to update you all over the semi good news!!!

Very good news!!!