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Not Tolerating "low Gluten" Host

llama3

By llama3
in Coping with Celiac Disease

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llama3 Apprentice
llama3
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I am Catholic and have been receiving the approved low-gluten hosts and I'm pretty sure that I'm reacting to them. I'm pretty sure that it's not just CC, because I tried an unconsecrated one that had not been handled by anyone and I was in pain for hours after that. It could have been something else, I guess, although it was the same pains that I get when I eat gluten. I know scientists say they are supposed to be below levels that would cause a reaction, so I feel as if I'm being a hypochondriac.

Has anyone actually tried the low-gluten host and reacted?

(Please let's NOT make this a thread about Catholic teaching on Communion. Thank you.)

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kareng Grand Master
kareng
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I don't do them because to me "low gluen" isn't NO GLUTEN. See about making arrangements to take the wine. It technically counts the same. Maybe they would let you drink first. I heard of someone that bought thier own chalice & they would hand them the chalice with the wine.

llama3 Apprentice
llama3
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I don't do them because to me "low gluen" isn't NO GLUTEN. See about making arrangements to take the wine.

I'm trying ... have met with resistance to the idea. I think they think I'm being needlessly difficult. As in, these hosts are supposed to be OK, they are OK for our other parishioner who is gluten intolerant, so why are they not OK for you?

I don't understand why scientists would say they are safe and below reactive levels if that is not true. Am I just ridiculously sensitive?

kareng Grand Master
kareng
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I'm trying ... have met with resistance to the idea. I think they think I'm being needlessly difficult. As in, these hosts are supposed to be OK, they are OK for our other parishioner who is gluten intolerant, so why are they not OK for you?

I don't understand why scientists would say they are safe and below reactive levels if that is not true. Am I just ridiculously sensitive?

I have thought about taking a tiny bit of the "gluten Lite" host, not the whole thing.

Jestgar Rising Star
Jestgar
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I'm trying ... have met with resistance to the idea. I think they think I'm being needlessly difficult. As in, these hosts are supposed to be OK, they are OK for our other parishioner who is gluten intolerant, so why are they not OK for you?

I don't understand why scientists would say they are safe and below reactive levels if that is not true. Am I just ridiculously sensitive?

Safe more most doesn't mean safe for everyone. You will have to figure out something else. Perhaps just the wine, as Karen suggested.

Skylark Collaborator
Skylark
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I don't understand why scientists would say they are safe and below reactive levels if that is not true. Am I just ridiculously sensitive?

That Fasano study where he concluded that 10 mg/day is "safe" is about the worst thing that has ever happened to the celiac community. In that study, people who hadn't healed by biopsy were excluded. In other words, they didn't enroll the people who might be more sensitive. In fairness, they couldn't enroll people with abnormal biopsies because the study had mild damage on biopsy as the endpoint, but the paper conclusions were written as though 10 mg/day is perfectly safe for all celiacs.

Wheat starch is particularly troublesome. In one study celiacs who weren't eating gluten-free wheat starch for various reasons were given bread made from wheat starch with <15 ppm gluten. By the end of 10 months, 15 of 17 people had elected to quit the study because they were sick. The controls in the study were a group of 14 celiacs who tolerate wheat starch and they remained perfectly fine. Nobody who was sick had antibodies come back; they just felt ill. The study authors blamed trace gluten but you can't rule out that some folks just don't tolerate anything from wheat grains.

You need to trust your body, even though it's a hard situation. Don't write off your reactions as being a hypochondriac and stick to your guns. The Catholic church needs to understand that low-gluten is not a solution for everyone with celiac disease. You need to sort out a way to handle the reaction, maybe a tiny sliver of the low-gluten wafer, maybe wine only?

llama3 Apprentice
llama3
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That Fasano study where he concluded that 10 mg/day is "safe" is about the worst thing that has ever happened to the celiac community. In that study, people who hadn't healed by biopsy were excluded. In other words, they didn't enroll the people who might be more sensitive. In fairness, they couldn't enroll people with abnormal biopsies because the study had mild damage on biopsy as the endpoint, but the paper conclusions were written as though 10 mg/day is perfectly safe for all celiacs.

Wheat starch is particularly troublesome. In one study celiacs who weren't eating gluten-free wheat starch for various reasons were given bread made from wheat starch with <15 ppm gluten. By the end of 10 months, 15 of 17 people had elected to quit the study because they were sick. The controls in the study were a group of 14 celiacs who tolerate wheat starch and they remained perfectly fine. Nobody who was sick had antibodies come back; they just felt ill. The study authors blamed trace gluten but you can't rule out that some folks just don't tolerate anything from wheat grains.

You need to trust your body, even though it's a hard situation. Don't write off your reactions as being a hypochondriac and stick to your guns. The Catholic church needs to understand that low-gluten is not a solution for everyone with celiac disease. You need to sort out a way to handle the reaction, maybe a tiny sliver of the low-gluten wafer, maybe wine only?

Thank you - this is really helpful.

In fairness to the Church, I read a statement, either from the Vatican or US bishops, outlining different options for Communion, which gave the options you mentioned and did not treat low gluten hosts as a solution for everyone. However, not all Catholics in charge of arrangements for communion read those documents ... even the woman at my church who is responsible for ordering the low gluten hosts was not aware that the hosts were made of wheat starch and still had a low level of gluten, until I explained that to her.

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Takala Enthusiast
Takala
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"Scientists" are not all claiming that these things (the low gluten hosts) are "safe." Somebody somewhere has made a decision that assumes this level of parts per million of gluten should not cause a reaction in the majority of gluten-free consumers. Big difference. The ultra -sensitives, as Skylark has pointed out, were tossed out of the study.

Roda Rising Star
Roda
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This subject came up with a friend of mine. My husband was brought up catholic and I thought it would be a good thing to introduce my boys to some catholic services. I am not catholic and my boys have never been. My friend said that there are low gluten hosts and if the boys were ever to take communion that there wasn't enough gluten in them to hurt them. I guess I'm just a rebel because I told her they would not be safe at all for them. I guess this decision is easy for me since my boys and I were not brought up catholic. I can completely sympathize with everyone's struggle with a solution that feels right to them. I hope you figure something out that works for you.

Metoo Enthusiast
Metoo
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I don't think I am very sensitive. The low gluten host has not bothered me, but I just started taking communion again because I was afraid.

I did have a 'regular' host on Ash Wednesday and I was super nervous about that. I went to a different church and they don't offer them.

I am still having slight skin problems anyways though nothing bad like before, just dryness cracking, but I haven't seen any new blisters though.

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Victoria6102 Contributor
Victoria6102
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Jesus wouldn't make you eat something if it destroyed your body! I don't eat the cracker when we have the Lords supper, and everyone knows its because I have celiac not because I'm rebelling against the Lord! Do what's safe for you. God gave you celiac, He isn't going to punish you for not eating the wafer! :) good luck hope you feel better!

Strawberry-Jam Enthusiast
Strawberry-Jam
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I recently decided not to take communion anymore because the bishop told my priest he couldn't concecrate the chalice without putting a little bit of the host in it because of "tradition". I'm Eastern Orthodox and we don't usually consecrate multiple chalices. Celiac disease is largely unheard of in the E.O. community at large so they don't know how to deal with it, I think. Altho, the Orthodox in Ireland and England really need to get their act together.

Maybe a different bishop would hear me out and allow a separate, gluten-free, chalice to be consecrated for my sake. I don't know. My priest disagrees but must be obedient to the bishop. I'm kind of miffed, but not surprised. If the bishop believes that communion MUST be that way, then it must mean I'm not to take communion at this juncture.

Just pray about it. Communion is a beautiful miracle but at the same time, unless you live your faith by loving others, what's the point?

I don't know. Don't want to hijack your thread so.

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jrohr Newbie
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I am Catholic and have been receiving the approved low-gluten hosts and I'm pretty sure that I'm reacting to them. I'm pretty sure that it's not just CC, because I tried an unconsecrated one that had not been handled by anyone and I was in pain for hours after that. It could have been something else, I guess, although it was the same pains that I get when I eat gluten. I know scientists say they are supposed to be below levels that would cause a reaction, so I feel as if I'm being a hypochondriac.

Has anyone actually tried the low-gluten host and reacted?

(Please let's NOT make this a thread about Catholic teaching on Communion. Thank you.)

Hi. I'm Catholic too. I know this thread is a bit old now but I wanted to reply anyway. I have been afraid the low gluten host will make me sick and haven't tried it. In retrospect this may sound dumb, but when I went gluten free I though I'd just take wine, no problem. Wow, did I get sick. It actually took a bit for it to occur to me that there was cross contamination with the wine! So now I just sit while my kids and everyone else participates. I feel awkward and kind of lost. I also have to say I kind of wonder that people that don't know me wonder why that one person is not participating as everyone else.  My faith, church, communion have been an important part of my life and I feel it's just been pulled away. I spoke with the priest. We have one other in the parish that uses the low gluten hosts without problem. But I just can't. It's wheat! I wonder what people with wheat allergies do?

 

I know God doesn't mind, but now church just feels incomplete. Another thought that I have regarding the low gluten host is that if I did try it and I didn't feel sick, the gluten may still be doing damage and I wouldn't even know.  Or maybe I'd start to get a little worse over time, just gradual enough that I would not recognize the change. Though, when I get CC to this point, I sure notice! 

 

Anyway, I don't take communion wine or host anymore. But I still go to church.

mbrookes Community Regular
mbrookes
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I am Episcopalian, but have the same problems a Catholics. Actually, my church orders a gluten free host for me. I can't take the wine, but receive a blessing when the wine is passed. No problem. Maybe you could talk (non-confrontationally) about having a gluten free host ordered, or offer to provide it yourself. As long as it is consecrated, it can be any bread.

Bear with me Rookie
Bear with me
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The Episcopal (Anglican) Church will accept a gluten-free host as valid. The Roman Catholic Church does not, requiring there to be wheat present.

notme Experienced
notme
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i go to a methodist church and i just bring a little bread in a snack baggie - i take it out when i go up, pastor blesses it, an i drink the 'wine' (grape juice) because it is presented in tiny individual glasses.  lolz - i have thought of bringing my own wine, but then everybody would want some......... (just kidding)..........  ;)

Celtic Queen Explorer
Celtic Queen
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I'm in a Methodist church and talked to my pastor about all of this.  I had bought gluten free host and he was trying to serve it while holding it next to the bread <shudder>  I explained cross contamination and put myself in charge of the gluten free host.  We have a separate little plate that is used for nothing but that.  And we do the juice in the individual cups.  Since I'm the most sensitive of all the ones in the congregation (2 Celiacs and 2 NCGIs), it makes the most sense.  It gives me peace of mind about communion because if I get glutened, I only have myself to blame :D

 

Of course this doesn't help if you're Catholic, since they require wheat in the host.  Personally, I agree with the person earlier who said they didn't think Jesus would want us making ourselves sick to take Communion.

notme Experienced
notme
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cq - i don't let him touch it!   :o   i just palm it until he offers me the 'regular' plate, then i open my hand and he says 'the body of Christ' - that's official enough for me and he is ok with it.  the whole congregation knows i do this and nobody has fussed at all. and, right, i'm of the opinion that Jesus (the healer) wouldn't want someone to get sick from a sacrament. 

irish daveyboy Community Regular
irish daveyboy
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I am Catholic and have been receiving the approved low-gluten hosts and I'm pretty sure that I'm reacting to them. I'm pretty sure that it's not just CC, because I tried an unconsecrated one that had not been handled by anyone and I was in pain for hours after that. It could have been something else, I guess, although it was the same pains that I get when I eat gluten. I know scientists say they are supposed to be below levels that would cause a reaction, so I feel as if I'm being a hypochondriac.

Has anyone actually tried the low-gluten host and reacted?

(Please let's NOT make this a thread about Catholic teaching on Communion. Thank you.)

 

The problem with the Approved low gluten Catholic host is it contains Codex Wheat Starch < 20PPM.

People that react to it may have an additional Wheat allergy.

 

I'm a Celiac with such a wheat allergy and a recovering alcoholic, so partaking of the wine is a no no for me.

The priest just gives me a blessing at communion.

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