Tazorac Cream - Anyone Ever Use This?

[Fiddle-Faddle]

Leah--I cried when I read your post today. lots of {{{HUGS}}} and may Jane live on forever in your memory and the memories of the many who love her. It's probably no comfort, but now you have your very own angel up in Heaven....

Susan--I'm woefully ignorant of bipolar disorder, but just wanted to throw two thoughts your way, both of whcih you may have run across already.

Thought #1 is that I have read in several places now that, besides for the gluten-free diet, regularly scheduled OUTDOOR exercise (something about exposure to the sun, even on cloudy days) makes a major difference for managing bipolar.

(Thought # 1 1/2: a reasonably regular schedule, period, would probably be helpful for managing depression in general. That way, all you have to do is follow the schedule, you're not stuck having to make decisions as to what you should do next when you really don't feel like doing ANYTHING, anyway.)

Thought #2: I can't help wondering if coffee/caffeine is involved with bipolar disorder. This occurred to me last week when I ordered a decaf mochacchino milkshake, and I'm SURE they gave me a caffeinated one, because I was totally wired for 2 days. It was great while it lasted (I felt like Superwoman and got a ton of stuff done), but that's when it occurred to me that this was like the manic phase. And after the 2-day high, I was then tired, cranky, mildly headachy, and totally unmotivated for 3 days. (I'm starting to perk up again today.)

Since the idiot medical community still hasn't figured out the relationship between gluten and nearly every problem that it causes, it seems plausible that caffeine--which just about everybody consumes and it's addictive the same way gluten is--might be involved with all kinds of disorders.

For that matter, maybe coffee/caffeine has some connection to the leaky gut thing. Coffee has ALWAYS given me diarrhea, even before gluten did. Of course, babies and small children with full-blown celiac have obviously never ingested caffeine, so there goes that theory. Oh, well.

Either way, I hope things keep getting better for you. Maybe as time goes on, things will sort of smooth out?

[queenofhearts]

Leah - I'm so sorry about your friend, but I'm glad she finally found peace, and that she got to see/speak to her kids before she let go. It's probably what she was waiting for

Thanks, Chelsea, & by the way I love your signature-- I'm a big Modest Mouse fan.

[rinne]

Leah, I am for sorry for your loss but how wonderful that she was able to speak with those she loved before she passed on.

Just driving by, should be painting....

[penguin]

Thanks, Chelsea, & by the way I love your signature-- I'm a big Modest Mouse fan.

Thanks

I almost put this, but thought the better of it:

I got a cute face

chubby waist

thick legs in shape

rump shakin' both ways

make you do a double take

Modest Mouse is a bit more tame for a siggy

[Fiddle-Faddle]

Chelsea, I know I'm probably very late in noticing, but HOW did you get your penguin avatar to have a kitty head????

[penguin]

Chelsea, I know I'm probably very late in noticing, but HOW did you get your penguin avatar to have a kitty head????

I googled him

I don't know what the heck I googled to get that result, but I've had the image on my comp for a while.

[queenofhearts]

Thank you to all who have given me such comfort as I grieve for Jane.

And thank you Penguin for making me laugh through my tears! Now I think you should animate your little avatar to shake his rump!

[Camille'sBigSister]

Just a drive-by.

I'm finding it difficult to understand what some of y'all are saying about the connection between gluten intolerance/celiac disease and bipolar disorder. Anyone care to enlighten me? Is this just a theory, or has it been scientifically proved? What about all the people who are bipolar and don't have celiac?

I believe it could be very dangerous to go on a gluten-free diet, and at the same time quit taking meds for a brain chemistry problem like bipolar disorder, or panic attacks. Look at what folllowing such bad advice, without consulting a doctor, has done to our Susan!

Darlin' Susie, feed your brain by taking your meds; and please consider joining the Daily Strength forum, where you would have access to doctors. Love you!

Cissie

[Guest Robbin]

Hi All,

First, Leah, I am so sorry for your loss. I know what it is like to lose someone so dear and my heart goes out to you.

Susan, So glad to see you back on!! If you need the meds, keep the meds. No question about it. Gluten free is not a cure for the damage already done, unfortunately. I wish more than anything it were. You are all in my prayers-

btw-Cissie!!! Hiiiii!!!

penguin -How is the culinary plans and WW going? Also did you ever sign up for belly dancing?

Everyone --Good night!!!!

(I will be on the other forum for a bit )

[clix]

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I'm finding it difficult to understand what some of y'all are saying about the connection between gluten intolerance/celiac disease and bipolar disorder. Anyone care to enlighten me? Is this just a theory, or has it been scientifically proved? What about all the people who are bipolar and don't have celiac?

Here are acouple of references linking celiac disease with mental illness.

Journal of Internal medicine1997

Schizophrenic symptoms and SPECT abnormalities in a coeliac patient: regression after a gluten-free diet.

De Santis A, Addolorato G, Romito A, Caputo S, Giordano A, Gambassi G, Taranto C, Manna R, Gasbarrini G.

Department of Internal Medicine, Catholic University, Rome, Italy.

Patient was already dignosed schizophrenic presented with diarroeah and weight loss.

This is the only documented case I have found besides myself. I was diagnosed with malabsorbsion syndrome in 1972 and became psychotic under stess in 1974. My uncle was a pathologist and insisted on biopsytesting for celiac disease. My diagnosis at the time was schizophenia. I want into remission within a week of going gluten free and had no mental heath problems for seven years. Then postpartum psychosis after birth of my second child.

Several further admissions later I have a diagnosis of bipolar disorder. Accidentally eating gluten gives me psychiatric symptoms. Although I still have depressed and manic phases I am certain I would be locked in a back ward somewhere if it wasn't for the gluten free diet.

Currently i take 10 mg olanzapine at night and 4mg reboxotine, am gluten free, and am staring to take emu oil for essential fatty acids as research has shown they are as effective as lithium for some people and most celiacs are deficient in them. I am sensitive to psych drugs and respond to low dosages. I hope to build up my heath with the intention of reducing or eliminating the bipolar meds except in crisis times

I am now 57 yrs old and have been on the gluten free diet for 32 yrs to the best of my ability.

BTW heres another reference:

Coeliac disease and schizophrenia: population based case control study with linkage of Danish national registers

William Eaton, professor1, Preben Bo Mortensen, professor2, Esben Agerbo, assistant professor2, Majella Byrne, assistant professor2, Ole Mors, associate professor3, Henrik Ewald, professor3

1 Department of Mental Health, Bloomberg School of Public Health, Johns Hopkins University, 624 North Broadway, Baltimore, MD 21205, USA, 2 National Centre for Register-Based Research, Aarhus University, Taasingegade 1, 8000 Aarhus C, Denmark, 3 Institute of Basic Psychiatric Research, Psychiatric Hospital in Aarhus, Skovagervej 2, 8240 Risskov, Denmark

Correspondence to: W W Eaton weaton@jhsph.edu

this study found celiac disease is a risk factor for schizophenia (only cases with prediagnosed celiac diseaese were included)

All the people who have bipolar may not have celiac disease but there is a definite connection between bipolar and nutrition, with research now being done into using omega3 and 6 supplements for treating both bipolar and unipolar depression with very promising results. Also issues with mineral defieciecies such a zinc and magnesium are common in bipolar.

hope this post helps someone

cheers

[Fiddle-Faddle]

Very enlightening, clix--thanks for posting this.

Just curious--are you sensitive to caffeine as well? (I am.)

My own pet hypothesis (totally unscientific and unproven, I'm just following my "gut" here, pardon the expression) links baby formula (not having been breastfed) with digestive disorders, auto-immune diseases, and psych imbalances.

Unfortunately, as far as I can find out, nobody has bothered to study this (the pharm industry can't make money off of it, so funding is probably out of the question, ).

[CarlaB]

Very enlightening, clix--thanks for posting this.

Just curious--are you sensitive to caffeine as well? (I am.)

My own pet hypothesis (totally unscientific and unproven, I'm just following my "gut" here, pardon the expression) links baby formula (not having been breastfed) with digestive disorders, auto-immune diseases, and psych imbalances.

Unfortunately, as far as I can find out, nobody has bothered to study this (the pharm industry can't make money off of it, so funding is probably out of the question, ).

I don't know about any studies, but from personal experience -- I was breastfed for six weeks, then Mom got an infection and stopped. My daughter Chloe has gluten intolerance and was breastfed for almost two years (after solid food, it wasn't very frequently, of course).

I have been reading a lot about adrenals, and it's been very interesting reading. I have come across suggestions that adrenal fatigue can be related to bipolar disorder. Put in the two words and google ... I don't know exactly what you'll come up with because I haven't focused on that part of it, but I know I've seen bipolar mentioned a couple times. It also seems that many of us have fatigue, brain-fog, etc. that can be related to adrenals or even depression -- or both since they are often related, too.

[queenofhearts]

Hi, everybody! I've been gardening & exercising & meditating & not on the computer much lately. Thanks all for your comforting words. You really helped me through a very rough week.

Interesting thought about the breastfeeding connection-- I wasn't breastfed, myself-- has anyone done a questionnaire on this site about that?

[DingoGirl]

Clix, thank you very much for that info and yoru personal insight. Don't have time to properly ponder that at the moment.....more later. Am struggling myself, don't know what 's up, things were finally clear and wonderful going gluten-free (about eight months now), and then plummetted a couple of weeks ago. Climbing back out.....trying to. Very encouraging to hear your story.

Hi Leah and Carla, Hi Fiddle, nice to see you!

Leah - glad you're better Wish you lived here and we could give cuttings to one another....except I don't think you'd want anything from my sad garden at this time.....

[queenofhearts]

Hi Susan! I wish we could share cuttings too, though right now anything you gave me might drown... lots of rain lately! Not much on your side of the continent, I'm guessing. Pity we can't share weather!

So are you feeling a bit better, I hope?

[AndreaB]

Susan,

It is so good to see you ....I've missed you!

I do hope you are feeling better, I'm here if you need me.

As far as breastfeeding.....I wasn't (I was an 8 week preemie) and my two oldest that have an active gluten sensitivity through enterolab were both breastfeed for 2 years and 10 months.

[CarlaB]

Here's the quote I found regarding adrenals and bipolar:

"When the adrenals are weak, copper builds up in the body. Elevated copper enhances emotions. Panic attacks and bipolar disorder, mood swings and schizophrenia are related to copper imbalance. Also affecting the nervous system are other toxic metals. Mercury, cadmium and lead contribute to impaired thinking and emotional instability."

The website is-- Open Original Shared Link

[nikki-uk]

My own pet hypothesis (totally unscientific and unproven, I'm just following my "gut" here, pardon the expression) links baby formula (not having been breastfed) with digestive disorders, auto-immune diseases, and psych imbalances.

Interesting.

My son has just had a high positive on the celiac disease blood panel.

Due to heart problems he was fed formula milk by nasal gastric tube until he was 18 months old.

However no gluten was introduced (in the form of solids) until he was 18 months old either.

Clix, thank you very much for that info and yoru personal insight. Don't have time to properly ponder that at the moment.....more later. Am struggling myself, don't know what 's up, things were finally clear and wonderful going gluten-free (about eight months now), and then plummetted a couple of weeks ago. Climbing back out.....trying to. Very encouraging to hear your story.

Susan,sorry you feel your recovery is sliding backwards,but in alot of ways it reminds me of my husband.

Initially,after going G.F ,hubby 's mood seemed to have lifted dramatically and seemed stable.

The wild mood swings of previous years seemed to be over-then after 1 yr G.F it all turned around.

His mental state took a very dramatic nosedive.

A manic state,(the worst I had seen),followed by paranoia and deep depression followed.

There was no way he was dragging himself out of that hole without meds,gluten free or not.

Nearly a year on,he's alot better,but still on the anti depressants and anti psychotics.

I really thought (like you) that gluten was the cause of all his demons-but it would seem not for some

Hope you feel better soon-I've missed you too!

[evie]

Clix, thank you very much for that info and yoru personal insight. Don't have time to properly ponder that at the moment.....more later. Am struggling myself, don't know what 's up, things were finally clear and wonderful going gluten-free (about eight months now), and then plummetted a couple of weeks ago. Climbing back out.....trying to. Very encouraging to hear your story.

Hi Leah and Carla, Hi Fiddle, nice to see you!

Leah - glad you're better Wish you lived here and we could give cuttings to one another....except I don't think you'd want anything from my sad garden at this time.....

Hi Susan!! Good to see you again and all the rest of you. Just got my computer back from shop for major overhaul, sure did miss the thing and all of you!! Seems my body decided to take a vacation too. Sat. am after sleeping late (which I had been doing for awhile) I tried to pass out mid am in the kitchen while fixing brkfast. First my arms got limp, then my legs and hubby helped me to floor, after a few minutes i felt better and got up/ help. Hubby helped me to couch and delivered brkfast which I ate lots of thinking I was having a hypoglycemic attack, even extra jam!! We decided the emergency room was the place to be where i was found to have upper heart flutterings/ possible stroke coming on. Had medications & entered hospital as patient for 26 hours. So will be taking heart meds for long time, I think this was brought on by Celiac as well as the osteoporosis of upper spine i was diagnosed with last week. I guess some of us just have something extra to fight once in awhile so we do not get too complacent. hahah when i get a bit stronger I plan to get on a mild exercise program besides the walking I do to help my back.

I have to mention how well i was treated in the hospital, especially the food. After my nurse conferred/ the kitchen I was told they would feed me meats, veggies and fruit and they did a good job of that and the staff was all so helpful even if they knew little about celiac disease. Of course i told those who showed an interest in it a little about the problem (getting the word out). Am sure you have not missed me as much as i missed you but sure is good to be back in contact!! Have a good evening..evie

[mouse]

Glad you got it taken care of and now you can just concentrate on getting better. Now, that your computer is back up, you can visit with us here, while you get the rest you probably were told to do. Hugs for a quick recovery.

[AndreaB]

Evie,

That is so great that they took such good care of you in the hospital. Glad you are home though and have your computer back so you can visit with us.

[Judyin Philly]

Evie

Gosh, take a few days off and what do you do..fall to the floor

Please take care of yourself and YOU WERE MISSED.

I WASN'T EVEN UP TO READING...SO AM SORRY I MISSED THIS AND YOU'LL BE IN MY PRAYERS..TAKE GOOD CARE.

JUDY IN PHILLY

[Fiddle-Faddle]

Evie, I'm glad you're okay--(may I recommend swimming as an excellent non-impact exercise when you are feeling better, of course)?

Susan, I parachute in here too infrequently--haven't seen you posting recently. How are you doing?

[DingoGirl]

Hi everybody....am still here......just not in such a happy time of life currently! Not as bad as it was, but just in a .......bewildered and lost state, maybe? Like, where do I go from here???? Long story.

EVIE - - good gosh darling girl, what a scare! SO glad you are doing better and they took good care of you in hospital. nice to see you and I hope your exercising adn walking helps your back. Sounds like your hubby took good care of you also - v. good.

Nikki - - my gosh, I never saw your post! I am going to pm you......I am back on meds but I think life issues are what is making me so sad.....sometimes I just feel - sorry to be such a bummer here - that I've.....run out of road. If you all knew my life story, you would understand the impact of that statement more clearly.

Hi Fiddle-Faddle, nice to see you too!

CECILE - where have you been - - - I think you have abandoned us for your other site, you traitor....

Andrea - - will write to you later! Must get busy this morning and walk the dogs earlier today than yesterday, it'll be about 100 degrees today.....cooling down to 80 this weekend!

[Fiddle-Faddle]

Hi, Susan,

Hang in there. You're just experiencing a temporary setback. You're not out of road, you just need to either find a new path or fix the old road. It takes time, but you are obviously extremely bright--you'll find a way.

If it makes you feel any better, I remember staying up on New Year's Eve of 1989-1990, sobbing my eyes out to my mom. My boyfriend of two years had broken up with me 3 months earlier. I had no desire to go out with anyone ever again, but I didn't want to sit around all alone either. I remember telling her what a dead end I had hit.

She told me, "No, no--this is the decade when you will get married and have children."

I thought she was nuts.

Over the next two years, I just kind of floated. I went to work, hung out with some friends, dated one nice guy who just wasn't right for me, sort-of-but-not-really got back together with the old boyfriend, and then dated a total jerk for about 4 months.

Then I decided that it was time to give up on Mr. Right, and make plans to live my life without him, since he obviously didn't exist.

I always knew I wanted children, so the next step was to adopt as a single parent. Well, I couldn't do that living in a 1-bedroom rental apartment! So I bought a 2-bedroom townhouse--and two weeks after moving in, I met my husband, who had just bought a little house across town.

Things don't often work out the way we plan them--but they do work out, especially when we are ready to move on. Sometimes, we need to sort of emotionally hibernate for a while--to heal, or to chill, or to grow a little--before we are ready to actively move on.