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Can You Be "intolerant" To Dairy Even If You Don't Have Any Gi Symptoms?

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CuriousOne Apprentice
CuriousOne
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I'm not sure if I have issues with dairy. I think I may, but not sure. If you had issues with dairy would it be obvious??

I started eating ice cream about a month ago, and noticed I digested it fine. So I started eating it more and more. Recenlty it got to the point I had to have it everyday...and usually I would have 1 quart a day at a time. Sometimes 1.75 quarts...

But it was so good. And it was my only source of carbs (the rest of the day I would just eat good meat/veggies...some fruit)

But recently I was wondering if maybe I should really cut it out for 2 weeks to see if it makes a different in my general mood?

I don't feel depressed...but I think I struggle with anxiety...wonder if it could somehow mess with that. I seem to remember times in my life when I was against all dairy (for whatever reason) and I was doing better...

But is it so insidious that it affects you even without you knowing it? I seriously felt huge withdrawals today from ice cream....HUGE. I find that odd.

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aikiducky Apprentice
aikiducky
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Withdrawals would be a big clue... ;) Yeah if you have an idea that dairy affects your mood, and especially that you seem to be a bit addicted to it, I think it would be a good idea to cut it out at least for a trial period.

Is there a special reason why you're not eating any carbs? I'd think it would be more sensible to eat a small amount of carbs in the form of a gluten free grain or for example sweet potatoes or something, instead of loading up on ice cream full with sugar and other unnecessary stuff?

Pauliina

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feelingbetter
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I have been gluten-free for 2 months and 1 month of dairy. I tested positive through enterolab for both. I went through the worst withdrawal from dairy. I think I am still going through it. I have had frequent migraines, headaches, crippling fatigue, irritability and some ear canal pain.

However when I gave up dairy I finally now have nice daily bowel movements. :)

Nancym Enthusiast
Nancym
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Some people I've talked to have reported depression or psychological things as side-effects of dairy. For me it is sinus and muscle cramping mostly, secondarily constipation.

So yeah, give it up for a couple of weeks and see what happens. Hopefully the withdrawal symptoms won't be too awful.

I'm sure I don't have to tell you though... that much ice cream is *not* a good thing. Too much sugar for one and you're probably not getting enough other food with nutrients you need. Generally if I get compulsive about a food I have to eliminate it from my diet.

Joni63 Collaborator
Joni63
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I'm glad you brought this up CuriousOne, I've been wondering about it myself.

It sounds like milk is bothering you. I think everyone's symptoms are different.

I get bloated, but no other symptoms and feel extremely fatigued. My upper eyelids also get puffy when I have these symptoms and I just plain feel bad.

I have narrowed it down to milk or chocolate, and possibly caffeine. I'm not sure how to narrow it down from here. I guess I have to test milk alone, then coffee, and if none of those cause my problems assume it's chocolate. You don't know how I hate the thought of that!!! It's what I crave so it is probably the problem. OUCH!

kbtoyssni Contributor
kbtoyssni
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It might also be that it takes you some time to feel the affects. If I get a tiny amount of gluten, I often don't feel anything. But a while back I was accidentally eating a CCed product and after a few weeks started to feel really yucky. Also, if it's a lactose problem, you may be able to handle a small amount but can't digest the larger amounts.

MaryJones2 Enthusiast
MaryJones2
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A small trace of dairy makes me extremely slow (mentally and physically) for a few days. I have quite a few issues with dairy but would not really say any of them are digestive. The lack of mental clarity thing, or lack thereof, drives me crazy and is one of my biggest complaints.

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AliB Enthusiast
AliB
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If you have become that addicted to the ice-cream then you definitely have a problem, and I would say that it may well be to do with Candida.

The sugar and carbohydrate feeds it and it actually makes you crave the foods it feeds on. Basically it is a parasite. The more you feed it the bigger it grows.

I find that with carbs. I was reading the other day that eating carbs makes us crave more. If you don't eat them, after a few days you don't want them.

If you are eating fruit and vegetables, you will get plenty of carbs from those - good carbs that will give your body nutrition. You may be able to cope with a little carb, but as soon as you get the craving that's an indicator that you have had too much already.

You know these really obese people that cannot stop eating? They have the same problem. Their craving never switches off. On top of that because they are constantly eating 'empty' calories, their bodies are also craving nutrients they aren't getting so that keeps the need for food constantly going.

If you are concerned about getting enough calcium - apparently there is more calcium in green veg like broccoli and kale than in milk, so make sure you get plenty of fresh green veg and you should be well supplied. In some areas, there is a good supply in the water too.

ShayFL Enthusiast
ShayFL
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Could be plain ol sugar addiction too. Sugar is EXTREMELY addictive for me. I have cut it out off and on throughout my 39 years. The longest stretch was 5 years with no sugar of any kind except what is found in fruit. And then just a little bite of hot fudge sundae....and then a few more bites next time. Then my own sundae. Then I am buying ice cream and fudge sauce for home. Then cookies. Then cake. Then scones. Then...then...then...and I wake up feeling like total crap and I crave it and get all nervous/anxiety all day. Then I realize that I "fell off the wagon". So I cut them again and it is 4 days of withdrawal hell.

Yup....could be dairy....or the most destructive drug known to man.....sugar.

MELINE Enthusiast
MELINE
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I'm not sure if I have issues with dairy. I think I may, but not sure. If you had issues with dairy would it be obvious??

I started eating ice cream about a month ago, and noticed I digested it fine. So I started eating it more and more. Recenlty it got to the point I had to have it everyday...and usually I would have 1 quart a day at a time. Sometimes 1.75 quarts...

But it was so good. And it was my only source of carbs (the rest of the day I would just eat good meat/veggies...some fruit)

But recently I was wondering if maybe I should really cut it out for 2 weeks to see if it makes a different in my general mood?

I don't feel depressed...but I think I struggle with anxiety...wonder if it could somehow mess with that. I seem to remember times in my life when I was against all dairy (for whatever reason) and I was doing better...

But is it so insidious that it affects you even without you knowing it? I seriously felt huge withdrawals today from ice cream....HUGE. I find that odd.

Hello!!

well you know that if you consume sugar your mood changes. For the first hour you feell really up and full of energy and then your sugar levels fall down extremely and then you start feeling depressed and loss of energy.

That is the whole thing about sugar and mood changes.....

If you had any dairy issues I guess you would feel severe abdominal pain right after consuming it, bloating and things like that. .....but of course I am not a doctor....just from my own lactose intolerance experience......

kisses

meline

CuriousOne Apprentice
CuriousOne
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Thx everyone :)

I've decided to cut it out. Today is my first day. I'll report back if I notice anything neat... i was craving it a bit today...but I KNOW tomorrow will bring the biggest cravings, and i'll probably be somewhere on the internet looking for logical rationalizations on why its okay. Right now I'm cutting it out mainly because of the estrogens and stuff. But I think I may have other issues with it. We'll see...

CuriousOne Apprentice
CuriousOne
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I think dairy makes me very zoned out from the world. I guess...like it makes me not care or be aware so much of other's feelings.

Maybe if I have a leaky gut I absorb way more of the opiate-type chemicals than most people? I don't know. I do know though, that when my sister takes Oxycotin (sp) (for pain) I notice she becomes less aware of other people's feelings...

And I wonder if that is how I get... hmmm

We shall see... I'm kinda hoping a fog will sorta lift.

Ursa Major Collaborator
Ursa Major
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Dairy can cause all kinds of symptoms, just like gluten. My youngest daughter and two of my granddaughters get awful eczema from it. One of my husband's cousins gets extreme depression if she eats dairy! I get gastro symptoms, that is so much easier to figure out, as that is what most people expect, and it is fairly obvious.

CuriousOne Apprentice
CuriousOne
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Well strange... you know I never did have GI symptoms with gluten (or so I can remember)...

But it wasn't until I really tried cutting it out, that I started having GI symptoms..

Today is my first day pretty much away from dairy, and I have to say... it seems like everything seems more real to me. Like, I was watching a movie and it was so rich...the emotions/feelings... watching Across the Universe. I felt like I could relate to everything... fear, sadness, happiness, anticipation...

I also noticed more energy today...like physical.

So now I'm wondering if its just true that for some reason I have become addicted to the casomorphines or something...

I'll keep reporting more. In some ways, I feel like a fog is sorta clearing...but I'm not sure if thats the yerba mate or not...although I haven't had much of the yerba, and I had it before when eating dairy so... Anyways this new experience of life is interesting...

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mr. moore Explorer
mr. moore
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i don't mean to bring up old topics, but couldn't the topic creator use lactaid tablets?

ShayFL Enthusiast
ShayFL
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Mr. Moore Lactose is only one problem with dairy. People who are lactose intolerant lack an enzyme to break down the sugar lactose. And there WILL be GI issues with lactose intolerance. This poster did not have GI issues with dairy, so was more likely responding to Casein which is a milk protein that MANY people cannot tolerate. Much like gluten Casein is opiate-like and can fit into our opioid receptors in our brains (thus causing addiction), not to mention other damage in the body (autoimmunity). I go back and forth on this between finding it irritating or intriguing. If you are so inclined, do some research on Casein. The only cure is to avoid dairy.

ang1e0251 Contributor
ang1e0251
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Just to explain, those who are lactose intolerant also respond differently to lactose. It is the same with those of us that can't tolerate gluten, each individual responds differently. My daughter can use Lactaid with small amounts of dairy. For me, it doesn't help. I still react. Of course, if you're reacting to casein, Shay is correct, only going dairy free for life will do it.

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vickysmores Newbie
vickysmores
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I have been gluten-free for 2 months and 1 month of dairy. I tested positive through enterolab for both. I went through the worst withdrawal from dairy. I think I am still going through it. I have had frequent migraines, headaches, crippling fatigue, irritability and some ear canal pain.

However when I gave up dairy I finally now have nice daily bowel movements. :)

those symptoms you just described are what i feel when i DO eat dairy. i also get really bad sinus congestion. i have ZERO digestive problems with dairy, just this stuff, sinuses and itchy skin. dairy sucks and if you think about, it

nasalady Contributor
nasalady
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tofutti ice cream btw it delicious and safe

Unfortunately not safe for those who have to avoid soy! :(

RebeccaMarie Newbie
RebeccaMarie
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Hi, CuriousOne,

About your increased craving for ice cream, please first check to see if there is HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP in it. I noticed that I was hungrier AFTER eatng MOTT'S brand applesauce than BEFORE I ate it. HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP (HFCS) tricks the brain convincing you that you want more. I suspect that that is the reason soda-pop makers are now loaing their products with HFCS. Now I eat an all-natural, no-additive applesauce a I feel so much better! Good luck to you!

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