Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

We're Back On Gluten


mama2two

Recommended Posts

mama2two Enthusiast

Oh gees, where do I start? I do a recap as briefly as I can. AT 4 years old my daughter started having mucus in her stools, distended gassy abdomen, forceful burping, abdominal pain, passing large amounts of gas, ulcers in her mouth, etc. Did some different testing, celiac panel came back negative, but pedi suggested try gluten free diet for the summer, diet made all these things go away, if she did get gluten, in two days she would have mucus again, we got better at avoiding gluten and she got to the point that all symptoms were gone. Now she is 6 almost seven, and we decided to finally see a pediatric GI doctor, to get some advice, and maybe more concrete answers. We had done testing through enterolab which showed that my daughter has a gene for gluten intolerance and a gene pre-disposing her to celiac disease, and said she should avoid gluten due to the reaction in her stool. This doc basically said that these results were null and void, and said that according to her panel she does not have celiac. She was concerned with her short stature and the fact that my husband and I are both tall. She said to put her back on gluten for a week and she expected her to have mucus in her stool during this time and we would do some stool studies( previous stool studies showed split fat in her stool). I asked her about "what if her gut has healed and it takes longer than one week, she said as long as she was not having symptoms, including any behavioral problems to keep her on gluten. Well she has been eating gluten for about a month or so now and she has had no mucus or complaints of abdominal pain, and she is happy to be eating gluten again. I got a hard time from lots of people having her on a gluten free diet without a definative diagnosis, even though I was just doing what my pediatrician advised me to do. But now life is easier with birthday parties and eating out etc., but I can't help but feel like I may be giving her something that may be doing her damage, and that makes me very uneasy. I am still waiting to see what happens, but I am thinking of asking her to repeat the celiac panel, since she has been having gluten. Following a gluten free diet is very hard and I don't want to impose this on her unnecessarily, but I don't want to feed her food that may cause her to develop cancer, or be infertile, etc. I seem to remember reading about a honeymoon phase that kids can have, between the ages of 6-11 or something, is this what's going on? I don't know, and I'm not sure what my next step should be if anything?! What to do?


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



jerseyangel Proficient

I can only tell you what I would do if this were one of my sons--since she's doing ok on gluten, I would at this point consider this a gluten challenge and keep her on it for a good 4-6 months. The longer the better as long as she's feeling good. At that point, I would insist on them repeating the Celiac Panel.

I would remain very cautious even if it's still negative because years ago doctors told parents of Celiac kids that after their symptoms went away on the gluten-free diet, they could go back on gluten--and we now know that that was the wrong way to go. If it's Celiac, it won't go away even if the symptoms seem to.

Best of luck!

Pattymom Newbie

This is the struggle I feel with my kids who are not officially diagnosed. With my 3 year old, we did a month long glutne challenge and a scope and it showed nothing, the Gi said how great we dont' have to wrry about ogign to school and parties, etc. however, he knows are home is gluten free, as I am diagnosed officially, and he says it's a healthy diet and I can certainly keep her on it if I want. She did get behavioral symptoms and some constipation, though it's so hard to stick to a diet when the evidence doesnt' support you, and thus, neither do you many people. Her symptoms were awful on it, just enough to muddyeverything.

my son, 7, is also gluten free, following advice from a naturopath. he wasnt' tested before, and I regret that, though he has fewere stomach aches, he did not grow, gain weight, or improve his ADD like I was hoping. It's so hard to know.

Now my 13 year old son, had lots of GI complaints at age 5-7, we never tested for celiac then, I wasn't diagnosed yet, I didn't know and my then family MD wasn't useful. It went away on it's own mostly, and did come back with a vengance at around 12. He noticed that the symptoms were way worse when he ate gluten ( at parties, scout, etc) and took himself off in February. He now feels great, yet, has started cheating some, since, again we have no evidence and it's so hard when you are out to be different.

I would go with the few months nice long trial, and the repeat testing. the you can get a good answer.

Good luck.

Patty

Amyleigh0007 Enthusiast

I agree with jerseyangel. I would take this time as a challenge and have her officially tested at the end. I think that is a great idea.

  • 4 weeks later...
JAMR Newbie

I have identical 11yr old triplet daughters, I have celiac myself (genes positive, DH and diet proof). They tested negative on celiac gene, antibodies, yet have many but mild symptoms similar to mine. Eczema, issues in gut, slow to gain weight, lethargic, fat in the stool. I decided to put just one on a gluten-free diet for 3 weeks (and dairy and yeast free). The weeks is over tomorrow, her stolls have improved (1 a day from 2 or 3), less fat in the stools, better color, less muscle aches but having said that its not overly dramatic. I am expecting to use her return to gluten (and dairy and yeast) as a challenge. My fear is nothing really definitive comes out, so I might conclude that something else is responsible for the symptoms, like fructose or soy, or chemicals. Its frustrating, and I do not wnat her (and probably the other 2 girls) to have celilac, but at least it would be something that can be addressed. My own diagnosis took a few years, and plenty of trial and error. Now I have done it (and apart from the accidents, I am feeling like a miracle man.

I will just have to take it a step at a time, document symptoms, diet as we go and work with what I have got. Celiac is such a difficult one to pin, and I do not want to impose a difficult diet regime for no good reason. My concern is that the dna test was not done correctly and the antibody tests are only 80% good. I understand the dna test is definitive, al I have readsays that if dna is negative, then you cannot get celiac? Anyone hear any different?

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - cristiana replied to Scatterbrain's topic in Sports and Fitness
      5

      Feel like I’m starting over

    2. - knitty kitty replied to Jmartes71's topic in Related Issues & Disorders
      8

      My only proof

    3. - Wheatwacked replied to Jmartes71's topic in Coping with Celiac Disease
      8

      Related issues

    4. - NanceK replied to Jmartes71's topic in Related Issues & Disorders
      8

      My only proof

    5. - Wheatwacked replied to Scatterbrain's topic in Sports and Fitness
      5

      Feel like I’m starting over


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):



  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      132,295
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    LaniH
    Newest Member
    LaniH
    Joined

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):


  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):





  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):



  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • cristiana
      Hi @Scatterbrain Thank you for your reply.   Some of these things could be weaknesses, also triggered by stress, which perhaps have come about as the result of long-term deficiencies which can take a long time to correct.   Some could be completely unrelated. If it is of help, I'll tell you some of the things that started in the first year or two, following my diagnosis - I pinned everything on coeliac disease, but it turns out I wasn't always right!  Dizziness, lightheaded - I was eventually diagnosed with cervical dizziness (worth googling, could be your issue too, also if you have neck pain?)  A few months after diagnosis I put my neck out slightly carrying my seven-year-old above my head, and never assigned any relevance to it as the pain at the time was severe but so short-lived that I'd forgotten the connection. Jaw pain - stress. Tinnitus - I think stress, but perhaps exacerbated by iron/vitamin deficiencies. Painful ribs and sacroiliac joints - no idea, bloating made the pain worse. It got really bad but then got better. Irregular heart rate - could be a coincidence but my sister (not a coeliac) and I both developed this temporarily after our second Astra Zeneca covid jabs.   Subsequent Pfizer jabs didn't affect us. Brain fog - a big thing for people with certain autoimmune issues but in my case I think possibly worse when my iron or B12 are low, but I have no proof of this. Insomnia - stress, menopause. So basically, it isn't always gluten.  It might be worth having your vitamins and mineral levels checked, and if you have deficiencies speak to your Dr about how better to address them?    
    • knitty kitty
      @NanceK, I do have Hypersensitivity Type Four reaction to Sulfa drugs, a sulfa allergy.  Benfotiamine and other forms of Thiamine do not bother me at all.  There's sulfur in all kinds of Thiamine, yet our bodies must have it as an essential nutrient to make life sustaining enzymes.  The sulfur in thiamine is in a ring which does not trigger sulfa allergy like sulfites in a chain found in pharmaceuticals.  Doctors are not given sufficient education in nutrition (nor chemistry in this case).  I studied Nutrition before earning a degree in Microbiology.  I wanted to know what vitamins were doing inside the body.   Thiamine is safe and nontoxic even in high doses.   Not feeling well after starting Benfotiamine is normal.  It's called the "thiamine paradox" and is equivalent to an engine backfiring if it's not been cranked up for a while.  Mine went away in about three days.  I took a B Complex, magnesium and added molybdenum for a few weeks. It's important to add a B Complex with all eight essential B vitamins. Supplementing just one B vitamin can cause lows in some of the others and result in feeling worse, too.  Celiac Disease causes malabsorption of all the B vitamins, not just thiamine.  You need all eight.  Thiamine forms including Benfotiamine interact with each of the other B vitamins in some way.  It's important to add a magnesium glycinate or chelate supplement as well.  Forms of Thiamine including Benfotiamine need magnesium to make those life sustaining enzymes.  (Don't use magnesium oxide.  It's not absorbed well.  It pulls water into the intestines and is used to relieve constipation.)   Molybdenum is a trace mineral that helps the body utilize forms of Thiamine.   Molybdenum supplements are available over the counter.  It's not unusual to be low in molybdenum if low in thiamine.   I do hope you will add the necessary supplements and try Benfotiamine again. Science-y Explanation of Thiamine Paradox: https://hormonesmatter.com/paradoxical-reactions-with-ttfd-the-glutathione-connection/#google_vignette
    • Wheatwacked
      Your goal is not to be a good puppet, there is no gain in that. You might want to restart the ones that helped.  It sounds more like you are suffering from malnutrition.  Gluten free foods are not fortified with things like Thiamine (B1), vitamin D, Iodine, B1,2,3,5,6 and 12 as non-gluten free products are required to be. There is a Catch-22 here.  Malnutrition can cause SIBO, and SIBO can worsen malnutrition. Another possibility is side effects from any medication that are taking.  I was on Metformin 3 months before it turned me into a zombi.  I had crippling side effects from most of the BP meds tried on me, and Losartan has many of the side effects on me from my pre gluten free days. Because you have been gluten free, you can test and talk until you are blue in the face but all of your tests will be negative.  Without gluten, you will not create the antigen against gluten, no antigens to gluten, so no small intestine damage from the antigens.  You will need to do a gluten challange to test positive if you need an official diagnosis, and even then, no guaranty: 10 g of gluten per day for 6 weeks! Then a full panel of Celiac tests and biopsy. At a minimum consider vitamin D, Liquid Iodine (unless you have dermatitis herpetiformis and iodine exasperates the rash), and Liquid Geritol. Push for vitamin D testing and a consult with a nutritionist experienced with Celiack Disease.  Most blood tests don't indicate nutritional deficiencies.  Your thyroid tests can be perfect, yet not indicate iodine deficiency for example.  Thiamine   test fine, but not pick up on beriberi.  Vegans are often B12 deficient because meat, fish, poultry, eggs, and dairy are the primary souces of B12. Here is what I take daily.  10,000 IU vitamin D3 750 mg g a b a [   ] 200 mg CoQ10 [   ] 100 mg DHEA [   ] 250 mg thiamine B1 [   ] 100 mg of B2 [   ] 500 mg B5 pantothenic acid [   ] 100 mg B6 [   ] 1000 micrograms B12 n [   ] 500 mg vitamin c [   ] 500 mg taurine [   ] 200 mg selenium   
    • NanceK
      Hi…Just a note that if you have an allergy to sulfa it’s best not to take Benfotiamine. I bought a bottle and tried one without looking into it first and didn’t feel well.  I checked with my pharmacist and he said not to take it with a known sulfa allergy. I was really bummed because I thought it would help my energy level, but I was thankful I was given this info before taking more of it. 
    • Wheatwacked
      Hello @Scatterbrain, Are you getting enough vitamins and minerals.  Gluten free food is not fortified so you may be starting to run low on B vitamins and vitamin D.   By the way you should get your mom checked for celiac disease.  You got it from your mom or dad.  Some studies show that following a gluten-free diet can stabilize or improve symptoms of dementia.  I know that for the 63 years I was eating gluten I got dumber and dumber until I started GFD and vitamin replenishment and it began to reverse.  Thiamine can get used up in a week or two.  Symptoms can come and go with daily diet.  Symptoms of beriberi due to Thiamine deficiency.   Difficulty walking. Loss of feeling (sensation) in hands and feet. Loss of muscle function or paralysis of the lower legs. Mental confusion. Pain. Speech difficulties. Strange eye movements (nystagmus) Tingling. Any change in medications? Last March I had corotid artery surgery (90 % blockage), and I started taking Losartan for blood pressure, added to the Clonidine I was taking already.  I was not recovering well and many of my pre gluten free symptoms were back  I was getting worse.  At first I thought it was caused a reaction to the anesthesia from the surgery, but that should have improved after two weeks.  Doctor thought I was just being a wimp. After three months I talked to my doctor about a break from the Losartan to see if it was causing it. It had not made any difference in my bp.  Except for clonindine, all of the previous bp meds tried had not worked to lower bp and had crippling side effects. One, I could not stand up straight; one wobbly knees, another spayed feet.  Inguinal hernia from the Lisinopril cough.  Had I contiued on those, I was destined for a wheelchair or walker. She said the symptoms were not from Losartan so I continued taking it.  Two weeks later I did not have the strength in hips and thighs to get up from sitting on the floor (Help, I can't get up😨).  I stopped AMA (not recommended).  Without the Losartan, a) bp did not change, after the 72 hour withdrawal from Losartanon, on clonidine only and b) symptoms started going away.  Improvement started in 72 hours.  After six weeks they were gone and I am getting better.  
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.