Vodka

[Patt]

Anyone have issues with sabiosky vodka? I asked the store clerk for potato vodka and he said they didn't carry any. But said this kind was gluten free even though it's made from grain. I don't know if it's just my imagination but the last 3 days I can't stay awake.

Any thoughts? Experiences?

[IrishHeart]

Vodka is gluten free. I am certain of this. I drink it often and I am fine.

[psawyer]

Vodka is gluten free. I am certain of this. I drink it often and I am fine.

I agree with IH, but if you are concerned, Smirnoff is widely available and is made exclusively from corn (this is technically a grain BTW).

[Patt]

this kind says its made with rye. i just thought it would have been filtered out where the store clerk said it was gluten-free?

[Nick-incollege]

It is taboo to say this on this forum, but there are a large amount of celiacs who report getting glutened from vodka distilled from wheat. I do without a doubt. I stick with non-grain based vodka, rum, 100% agave tequila, wine, and cider.

[psawyer]

Your experience is your own, and may differ from that of the majority of persons with celiac disease. Most people with celiac disease can consume distilled liquor, regardless of the source.

[IrishHeart]

It is taboo to say this on this forum, but there are a large amount of celiacs who report getting glutened from vodka distilled from wheat. I do without a doubt. I stick with non-grain based vodka, rum, 100% agave tequila, wine, and cider.

 

It's not "taboo", Nick, but it is incorrect to say distilled alcohol is NOT gluten free.  That is what we have been trying to tell you.

 

Maybe you got sick, but it's not from gluten. The process renders the gluten harmless. It's what the science says. It's what the celiac researchers say. 

 

Just saying a "large amount of celiacs reporting getting glutened" (who are they?  and where is the evidence--random internet posts?)

Sorry, but this anecdotal evidence does not change the facts. 

 

We strive to give factual information on here. We just can't get you to see the distinction between "people say" and the science.

 

From the Univ. Of Chicago Celiac Disease Center:

Are distilled beverages made with a prohibited grain (wheat, rye, barley) safe for celiacs?

Only specific gluten-free beers (Bard’s Tale, New Grist, Green’s, Redbridge, to name a few) are appropriately gluten free. As for pure spirits, (vodka, gin, scotch), the distillation process makes these beverages safe because the protein is removed. However, flavored spirits may contain malt, and should be avoided.

[Patt]

Ok well for my own peace of mind I decided to go all out. I found a store that carries potato vodka. and I totally overdid it (love these experiments )

anyway this morning I am left with a headache and sore joints.

id say this is a clean hangover because from past experience this is the way I always feel when I overdo the rum

for the sake of consistency I will do it all over again tonight as well, because when i felt like I might have been "glutened" with the rye vodka I had done it over a period of 2 days. (it was a long snow storm please dont judge me )

with the rye vodka I felt like I was fed benadryl and could not snap out of the drowsiness for days after. the reason I feel like it is a gluten reaction is because this is how i felt before I started this diet

Ill keep you posted

[IrishHeart]

Ok well for my own peace of mind I decided to go all out. I found a store that carries potato vodka. and I totally overdid it (love these experiments )

anyway this morning I am left with a headache and sore joints.

id say this is a clean hangover because from past experience this is the way I always feel when I overdo the rum

for the sake of consistency I will do it all over again tonight as well, because when i felt like I might have been "glutened" with the rye vodka I had done it over a period of 2 days. (it was a long snow storm please dont judge me )

with the rye vodka I felt like I was fed benadryl and could not snap out of the drowsiness for days after. the reason I feel like it is a gluten reaction is because this is how i felt before I started this diet

Ill keep you posted

 

 

Hate to go with the obvious here, Patt...but maybe you just can't drink that much right now?  Sometimes celiac guts can't handle booze.

 

And no one here would judge anyone for drinking during a long snow storm. Don't blame you one bit.

[West Coast Canuck]

Was diagnosed with celiac disease only 3 months ago. Am still quite sensitive to a few things (spicy food), but fortunately moderate amounts of potatoe vodka (Luksusowa) go down the hatch very nicely.

[Patt]

Hate to go with the obvious here, Patt...but maybe you just can't drink that much right now?  Sometimes celiac guts can't handle booze.

 

And no one here would judge anyone for drinking during a long snow storm. Don't blame you one bit.

haha no I can drink a bit. obviously ppl get hangovers  but that time it was really like drinking a bottle of benadryl and being drowsy and foggy. I feel great today. lets see if tomorrow is just as good

[dilettantesteph]

Ok well for my own peace of mind I decided to go all out. I found a store that carries potato vodka. and I totally overdid it (love these experiments )

anyway this morning I am left with a headache and sore joints.

id say this is a clean hangover because from past experience this is the way I always feel when I overdo the rum

for the sake of consistency I will do it all over again tonight as well, because when i felt like I might have been "glutened" with the rye vodka I had done it over a period of 2 days. (it was a long snow storm please dont judge me )

with the rye vodka I felt like I was fed benadryl and could not snap out of the drowsiness for days after. the reason I feel like it is a gluten reaction is because this is how i felt before I started this diet

Ill keep you posted

 

I think that you need to keep doing your experiments. 

 

In all seriousness, I think that if you are someone who has problems with contamination from products made in shared facilities, you may have problems with alcohol made from gluten grains.  I don't see a way that they could be made in a facility that doesn't have gluten grains present.  I believe that I have had problems with alcohol made from gluten containing grains.

[Patt]

did it again with potato vodka. I am happy with the results

Im sticking with it

[IrishHeart]

did it again with potato vodka. I am happy with the results

Im sticking with it

 

 

Well, I'll drink to that! Cheers! 

 

[LittleMama]

It is taboo to say this on this forum, but there are a large amount of celiacs who report getting glutened from vodka distilled from wheat. I do without a doubt. I stick with non-grain based vodka, rum, 100% agave tequila, wine, and cider.

I also get sick from vodka distilled from wheat. I do extremely well with Tito's vodka.

[Roda]

I try my best to stick with potato or non grain vodka.  My husband and I like Vikingfjord(potato).   We tried Ciroc that is made from grapes and we didn't like it and it upset both our stomachs.  I have drank Absolut (distilled from winter wheat) and did not have any issues with it at all.  So I guess you just have to find one that works for you. 

[w8in4dave]

A few months back I had a drink of vodka and water , I felt I was Glutened, I can now have a vodka and water that is Grain, corn, potato what ever ,it doesn't bother me. I think my gut was not healed enuf. I don't drink too often but sometimes it's nice to have a lil drinkypoo and not feel like I am Glutened.  

[Azenka]

I don't get why different distilled vodkas all taste different from each other when all they're supposed to be is alcohol due to the distillation.

I would drink lab-grade ethyl alcohol made from anything, I trust science. I'm just not sure I trust vodka manufacturers. I have no personal experience one way or the other reacting to it, I've just avoided it.

 

Anecdotal evidence isn't to be scoffed at. eg: NCGI is a diagnosis that's all anecdotal ASAIK.

[West Coast Canuck]

A few months back I had a drink of vodka and water , I felt I was Glutened, I can now have a vodka and water that is Grain, corn, potato what ever ,it doesn't bother me. I think my gut was not healed enuf. I don't drink too often but sometimes it's nice to have a lil drinkypoo and not feel like I am Glutened.  

Thanks for the info.  Good to know things may improve with time & healing.

[psawyer]

I don't get why different distilled vodkas all taste different from each other when all they're supposed to be is alcohol due to the distillation.

Vodka, like most distilled spirits, is around 40% alcohol. The remaining 60% is what varies and gives flavor. The distillation removes gluten because the gluten molecule is too large to vaporize, so it is left behind.

[Azenka]

So what happens if some of the gluten molecules get broken down before distillation happens and the distillation process isn't refined enough to get rid the fractions of molecules? We already know there's variability in what some celiacs react to (eg: oats) also, so it seems very possible that some celiacs could have autoimmune reactions to only fragments of molecules.

Furthermore, detection methods for non-whole molecules are probably lacking.

 

I would be very interested if someone has proper peer-reviewed research about the safety of vodkas in terms of not just measuring gluten content, but where they've actually tested individual's reactions to various distilled grain products.

[kareng]

So what happens if some of the gluten molecules get broken down before distillation happens and the distillation process isn't refined enough to get rid the fractions of molecules? We already know there's variability in what some celiacs react to (eg: oats) also, so it seems very possible that some celiacs could have autoimmune reactions to only fragments of molecules.

Furthermore, detection methods for non-whole molecules are probably lacking.

 

I would be very interested if someone has proper peer-reviewed research about the safety of vodkas in terms of not just measuring gluten content, but where they've actually tested individual's reactions to various distilled grain products.

If you don't believe us or don't understand distillation, that's fine. Don't drink them if you think they aren't for you. I doubt Celiac researchers are going to spend a lot of time on proving distillation in studies.

[Azenka]

I believe people who say they have reactions to certain alcohols, and I also believe people who don't have reactions to those same alcohols.

 

If I don't understand how something works, I ask. That's why I'm asking. To tell me 'it's fine that you don't understand something' when I'm asking to understand something is completely misreading the intent of the question because obviously, no, to me it's not fine that I don't understand.

 

I know there are studies done regarding cc of flours and such, doesn't seem unreasonable that there would be studies done with vodkas, and some people collect celiac research and I don't care enough apparently to dig around trying to find any.

 

It was an honest question.

[kareng]

I believe people who say they have reactions to certain alcohols, and I also believe people who don't have reactions to those same alcohols.

 

If I don't understand how something works, I ask. That's why I'm asking. To tell me 'it's fine that you don't understand something' when I'm asking to understand something is completely misreading the intent of the question because obviously, no, to me it's not fine that I don't understand.

 

I know there are studies done regarding cc of flours and such, doesn't seem unreasonable that there would be studies done with vodkas, and some people collect celiac research and I don't care enough apparently to dig around trying to find any.

 

It was an honest question.

Here is a simple explanation of distillation. Go down to distilled liquors.

https://www.celiac.com/articles/23350/1/Common-Misunderstandings-of-Gluten-Free-Alcoholic-Beverages/Page1.html

There is some research being done into NCGI looking to see if there is a different part of wheat that might be the issue for them. I think it could be possible that some Celiacs also have that issue - just as some Celiacs can have a wheat allergy, too. But currently, they haven't found what this substance is, so it's just speculation. So...if a food, beverage, etc bothers you for whatever reason, don't consume it.

[livinthelife]

I also get sick from vodka distilled from wheat. I do extremely well with Tito's vodka.

I second Tito's! Great vodka! Unless of course I have, well, ummmmm, too much.