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VydorScope

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I was just thinking, well trying to...

First refresher... I was suspecting milk was a problem, so I bought some lactait pills and took two of them with around 12 oz of whole milk, and well 24 hours later I am still recovering. Pain, brain fog, gas, etc. I have had the scratch test and showed NO food allergies of any kind. The reaction to the milk was almost instant. Less then a minute thats for sure.

Since I took the lactait, it is not likely to be lactose... and I was thinking milk alergy and that the scratch test was just plan wrong... instant reaction like that is not typical of a intolernce, its more typical of an allergy (expections always exist of course...)

BUT it just occure to me, it cant be an allergy, I am taking Zytrec-D (RX anti-histamean) daily for seasonal allergies and have been for a week or 2 now (season just starting...). That should have prevented/weakened any reaction right????

So it has to be an intolerence to somthing other hte lactose right???

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I was just thinking, well trying to...

First refresher... I was suspecting milk was a problem, so I bought some lactait pills and took two of them with around 12 oz of whole milk, and well 24 hours later I am still recovering. Pain, brain fog, gas, etc. I have had the scratch test and showed NO food allergies of any kind. The reaction to the milk was almost instant. Less then a minute thats for sure.

Since I took the lactait, it is not likely to be lactose... and I was thinking milk alergy and that the scratch test was just plan wrong... instant reaction like that is not typical of a intolernce, its more typical of an allergy (expections always exist of course...)

BUT it just occure to me, it cant be an allergy, I am taking Zytrec-D (RX anti-histamean) daily for seasonal allergies and have been for a week or 2 now (season just starting...). That should have prevented/weakened any reaction right????

So it has to be an intolerence to somthing other hte lactose right???

I'm not sure Zrteck or any antihistimine is effective in surpressing allergic reactions in the gut. They work for the nasal passages and epidermal areas but I'm not sure it would impact problems in the gut. Maybe somebody else could address this question with more authority than I.

VydorScope Proficient
VydorScope
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Well our alergist said if our son got egg to give him benedryl, so I would think its the same basic idea?

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I think they are different medicines... Benedryl blocks the histimine and Zyrtek does .... :blink: ok, I don't know... but it's like comparing Tylonel and Advil - both are pain releivers but do different things.

It could be a lactose thing - the milk may just have been too much for you to process on one little pill. Why don't you try some of that lactose free milk and see if you have a reaction? My friend (who is not gluten-free) can not tolerate any milk, ice cream, or soft cheese (cottage, ricotta, etc.). She can have mozzerella and other hard cheese without any suffering.

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I think they are different medicines... Benedryl blocks the histimine and Zyrtek does .... :blink: ok, I don't know... but it's like comparing Tylonel and Advil - both are pain releivers but do different things.

It could be a lactose thing - the milk may just have been too much for you to process on one little pill. Why don't you try some of that lactose free milk and see if you have a reaction? My friend (who is not gluten-free) can not tolerate any milk, ice cream, or soft cheese (cottage, ricotta, etc.). She can have mozzerella and other hard cheese without any suffering.

Well I took the max dose, 2 :D And I am considering trying lactose free skim milk (incase its milk fat reaction), but right now stranded with out a car cause mines in the shop. I would think if it was lactose the pills would have helped SOME at least. This was as strong of a reaction as I have ever had.

Just wish there was some magic test that I could like spit in cup and they could tell me the asnwer. :(

Zyrtec acording to thier web site is an "antihistamine" so in that sense it is the same.

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Lactaid pills do not help me at all whatsoever and I have tested negative to all of the milk allergy tests. I cannot tolerate any trace of dairy product whether it's lactose free rice cheese with casein or a casein free product that contains lactose. Sometimes the best thing to do is eliminate dairy entirely for about six weeks or so and see how you feel. If it makes you sick don't drink it!!!!! :D

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You may be intolerant to casein.

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Lactaid pills do not help me at all whatsoever and I have tested negative to all of the milk allergy tests. I cannot tolerate any trace of dairy product whether it's lactose free rice cheese with casein or a casein free product that contains lactose. Sometimes the best thing to do is eliminate dairy entirely for about six weeks or so and see how you feel. If it makes you sick don't drink it!!!!! :D

How about skim milk ? I have been trying to read up on this stuff and seems some ppl only react to milk fat.

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Vincent ~ the Zyrtec is time released so that it lasts for a longer amount of time. Benadryl is to be used for a quick allergic reaction (like what you described).

Also, my dd used to be on zyrtec chewables until I found out they had lactose in them. Check out the 2 websites I found for you...

Open Original Shared Link

Open Original Shared Link

You can be allergic to casein (milk protein) or lactose (milk sugar). My dd is allergic to both.

I hope you figure this out soon and are feeling better soon.

PS ~ I made egg-free, yummy chocolate chip cookies tonight that actually came out like cookies

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I'm allergic to casein and can not use the lactaid pills.

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Oh great just looked at my mulitvi, it has latcose in it too. Adn so does Zyrtec??? bah.

UGH.

OKay from what I can tell there appears to be 3 parts to milk that cuase problems.

1) Milk Fat - seems much rarer though

2) Lactose

3) Casien

Soooo Since I took lactate with my milk, its not likly to be #2, but it was whole milk so #1 and #3 are still in play. I guess the only way to know is to get some lactose free skim milk (saw it in the store) chug that, and if I react then it has to be #3, if I do not then its likely to be Milk Fat, and I next try Lactose free whole milk. If I still do not react then it has to ba lactose and the lactiate pills just suck.

That sound logical?

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I'd really reccommend not chugging milk...drinking it slowly is probably a better idea, IMO. Even if it's skim milk, it's still kind of rich... Drinking milk fast will make anyone sick. :blink:

Also, as far as Zyrtec is concerned, I'm allergic to tree nuts (oral allergy syndrome) and my reaction is NOT lessened by allergy meds like Zyrtec or Claritin. Someone mentioned that Zyrtec is slow acting, that's true, benadryl works more acutely, it also knocks you out...

Oh, FYI, my allergist said never to use topical benadryl for your skin in an allergic reaction, he said it makes allergies worse :ph34r:

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My dd and I do liquid Zyrtec and it works really well for us. I started taking it several years ago for anaphylatic reactions and now daily. The Zyrtec syrup comes pre-flavored in grape-banana. Yes, Zyrtec is a second-generation anti-histimine. I also take Xolair injections. Xolair is an anit-IgE antibody injection which attaches to the IgE anti-body and passes through the body befor histamines are released. I take the shot every four weeks.

I went off dairy for several months and now I can tolerate it small amounts. My dd and I didn't test positive in the scratch test for dairy (IgE.) She did test positive on the YORK test for dairy (IgG-delayed reaction) so we've taken dairy out of her diet as well.

I did have a disscusion with our allergist and he mentioned that the two hardest sugars for the body to digest are maltos and lactose.

If I still do not react then it has to ba lactose and the lactiate pills just suck.

Sometimes I've found that I have to take 2 lactaid pills. Are you taking additional digestive enzymes?

Soooo Since I took lactate with my milk, its not likly to be #2, but it was whole milk so #1 and #3 are still in play. I guess the only way to know is to get some lactose free skim milk (saw it in the store) chug that, and if I react then it has to be #3, if I do not then its likely to be Milk Fat, and I next try Lactose free whole milk.
To test #3 you might try one of the soy or rice cheese that contain casien but are lactose free.

PS ~ I made egg-free, yummy chocolate chip cookies tonight that actually came out like cookies
Do you mind to share your recipe? My dd is allergic to eggs as well. She tested postive in the single blood test, (IgE -classic allergy) but she didn't test positive in her scratch testing.....kind of weird. I got some Enjoy Life Chocolate Chips since they're safe and I've been dying to make cookies. :lol:
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I did have a disscusion with our allergist and he mentioned that the two hardest sugars for the body to digest are maltos and lactose.

Sometimes I've found that I have to take 2 lactaid pills. Are you taking additional digestive enzymes?

To test #3 you might try one of the soy or rice cheese that contain casien but are lactose free.

Yes took 2, thats the max dose, so thats what I took. Dunno anything about any other enzymes. Up till yesterday I was eating yogurt daily fi that counts.

Did not know that about Rice or Soy cheese, how do I know which have Casien in them?

Thanks!

Kasey'sMom Enthusiast
Kasey'sMom
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Kroger has this brand.....Open Original Shared Link

They have both veggie and rice types. I looked at the rice variety the other day and it listed casien in the ingredient list on the back. I'm not sure how great they taste but it might be a good way to test! :D

I don't know anything about soy yogurt but it may have casien in it as well.

Mango04 Enthusiast
Mango04
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How about skim milk ? I have been trying to read up on this stuff and seems some ppl only react to milk fat.

If you're determined to drink milk you might want to try organic raw dairy. Some people who cannot tolerate any other form of dairy can tolerate it raw.

VydorScope Proficient
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If you're determined to drink milk you might want to try organic raw dairy. Some people who cannot tolerate any other form of dairy can tolerate it raw.

Im not, but I am detrimined to know what the trigger is.

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I've been reading a book on food allergies and it points out that there are several proteins in milk that can cause allergic reactions. Casseine is jus the most common one.

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well, the scratch test would have tested you for IgE mediated casein allergies. IgE mediate allergies are also the ones that release histamine, so are the ones that taking an antihistamine like zyrtec or benadryl would affect. but you could have an IgG intolerance, would wouldn't show up on the scratch test or be affected by the antihistamine.

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