Jump to content

  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.



  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):

    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Can You Guys Believe....fish Food?

chgomom

By chgomom
in Coping with Celiac Disease

Recommended Posts

chgomom Enthusiast
chgomom
Posted

I have been dipping my hand in fish food every day.....

just my finger tips...sna never thought it was necessary to wash my hand in scalding hot water....

Lo and behold.....it has wheat gluten in it....

Its not possible....for this to affect a celiac is it???????????????

Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):

Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):


Michi8 Contributor
Michi8
Posted
I have been dipping my hand in fish food every day.....

just my finger tips...sna never thought it was necessary to wash my hand in scalding hot water....

Lo and behold.....it has wheat gluten in it....

Its not possible....for this to affect a celiac is it???????????????

Sure, if you didn't wash your hands after touching the fish food. It's good practice to wash your hands after handling anything aquarium related (celiac or not) because of the risks of disease (salmonella or fish TB for example...although TB is extremely rare!) Blood worms are also a high risk for allergic, possibly anaphylactic, reaction.

Michelle

chgomom Enthusiast
chgomom
Posted
  • Author

I mean I did wash...but not up to my elbows or anything like that....

but I did'nt do anything extra to be protective....because I had no idea!

I was shocked,,,,,

I am just being paranoid by wanting to go get a box of plastic gloves tomorrow...for that and a few other things around the house??

tiredofdoctors Enthusiast
tiredofdoctors
Posted

I didn't even THINK about that . . . . I do the same thing -- just a quick wash/rinse after handling the fish food. My hands don't touch the aquarium, so I'm not as rigid as if I'm having to deal with the fish. Holy Cow! Maybe THAT's where I'm getting glutened . . . . . .

ravenwoodglass Mentor
ravenwoodglass
Posted

Your not being paranoid and getting some gloves is a good idea. Bird seed is also a source of gluten contamination. I finally ended up giving away my fish and my bird because of repeated glutening linked to his seed and I have also gone to totally grain free cat and dog food. My mystery glutenings have greatly decreased since I got rid of both fish and bird. Wash carefully after feeding and in my house I kept the fish food container in a seprerate plastic bag after opening to decrease the risk.

happygirl Collaborator
happygirl
Posted

Our cat food has gluten in it...I feed them, wash hands thoroughly, and dry. Its up to you how comfortable you feel (gloves vs. no gloves).

lindalee Enthusiast
lindalee
Posted

It's everywhere,,, :(

I have a beta and I just cut a little V in the foil covering so I can sprinkle it in his bowl.

The cat is gluten free. :)

Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):

Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):


Guest nini
Guest nini
Posted

my husband feeds the fish... on the days he's not home and I have to do it, I use a little scoop and I thoroughly wash my hands... OH YES I was well aware it had wheat gluten in it! The irony is we got the fish for my daughter and she can't even feed it, because if she even touches gluten she breaks out in hives.

The cats and the dog are gluten free...

RiceGuy Collaborator
RiceGuy
Posted

I had no idea fish in their natural environment would have to crawl out onto land, flop on over to the nearest wheat field, and figure out how to get at the grain :huh: Yeah, sure...it makes perfect sense to put wheat in fish food... :rolleyes:

Guest nini
Guest nini
Posted
I had no idea fish in their natural environment would have to crawl out onto land, flop on over to the nearest wheat field, and figure out how to get at the grain :huh: Yeah, sure...it makes perfect sense to put wheat in fish food... :rolleyes:

LOL!!! You are so right... which brings up the issue WHY IN THE WORLD is it in fish food? Because someone somewhere decided it needed to be in EVERYTHING??? I sense a conspiracy theory afoot :P:lol::lol::lol:

RiceGuy Collaborator
RiceGuy
Posted
LOL!!! You are so right... which brings up the issue WHY IN THE WORLD is it in fish food? Because someone somewhere decided it needed to be in EVERYTHING??? I sense a conspiracy theory afoot :P:lol::lol::lol:

Add to that the fact that the gluten content in wheat has been purposely multiplied enormously from what it was originally. Bread must have been so different not long ago.

VydorScope Proficient
VydorScope
Posted

Its the same reason that our dogs need wheat of course! (My dog is gluten-free, but our bird is not :( )

Ursa Major Collaborator
Ursa Major
Posted

The very simple reason is, that wheat is cheap, therefore, putting it into all pet food makes it cheaper for them to produce (and making the animals sick, but they don't care about that).

chgomom Enthusiast
chgomom
Posted
  • Author

There is this new cat food that Purina came out free of any of that...(I think, correct me if I am wrong)

Its called Naturals....I know it atleast does nto have fillers.

Alas, I had to give away my cat though 2 nights ago, because I found out I am alergic.

Someone said that that could have been contributing to my dizziness and lathargy.

Is that possible with that kind of allergy...I have no idea...haven't even researched it yet.

Michi8 Contributor
Michi8
Posted
I mean I did wash...but not up to my elbows or anything like that....

but I did'nt do anything extra to be protective....because I had no idea!

I was shocked,,,,,

I am just being paranoid by wanting to go get a box of plastic gloves tomorrow...for that and a few other things around the house??

I don't think using gloves is paranoid. I use them for my fish tank...especially for cleaning.

Michelle

kbtoyssni Contributor
kbtoyssni
Posted

My fish food is the only thing in my house that contains gluten, and I hate that I have to have it. I always wash my hands after feeding the fish. For a while I tried to tap the container to get food out without having to touch it, but I'd always end up dumping way too much in. Maybe a small tweezers would help. The part that worries me is that I always find bits of fish food around the tank and I worry they're migrating to the kitchen...

I've looked for gluten-free fish food before, but have never had any luck.

chgomom Enthusiast
chgomom
Posted
  • Author

Tweezers are a good idea too....

I don't want to get rid of the fish having had to give away the cat, my son (who is 5) has been so good with all the house hold dietary changes around the house.....he's the best lil trooper.

I have been showing him how to do it without feeding them too much...so I think he will be able to do it right in another week or so.

skoki-mom Explorer
skoki-mom
Posted

I did know that and I just wash my hands after feeding my fish. I don't wear gloves for cleaning and stuff because they'd have to come up to my shoulder to make it worthwhile in my big 55gal aquarium. At any rate, I normally take a shower anyhow when I'm done working with my arm that deep into a fish tank!!!

2kids4me Contributor
2kids4me
Posted

well I had to add a comical note - it seems odd they'd add gluten to fish food when I have never seen a fish grazing on a field of wheat or barley.......

maybe it's for farmed fish :D:D:D

lorka150 Collaborator
lorka150
Posted

i feed my fish blood worms.

they don't contain anything except: blood worms.

spunky Contributor
spunky
Posted

After seeing my own response to being gluten free for 8 months, I feel sorry for our pets and even farm-raised animals, because gluten is just everywhere. No wonder dogs have diabetes, joint problems, thyroid problems, etc.! I've finally found gluten free foods for our dogs and cats, at a price, but I think they deserve a chance at good health.

Whoever said they feed their fish some kinda worms you can buy sounded like that might be a good idea to me...I wouldn't think gluten would be the healthiest thing for fish.

But as far as birds go, I've read somewhere that birds ARE natural grain eaters of the world...so maybe gluten in their food might not hurt them; maybe birds have the enzymes necessary to digest the gluten and other proteins in the grains thoroughly.

My neighbor had a little goat for a while, and he was very sickly with some kind of disease he was born with. She kept him just as a pet. She finally found a vet who told her to get that goat off of grain/feed, and so she just made sure he had plenty of grass, leaves, twigs, hay and fruit/veggie scraps in the winter time (neighbors helped!) and just stopped buying feed for him. He got much better! I think it might be true that birds are the only real animals designed to completely digest grains!

Of course, I'll keep on eating my corn, rice and other stuff like that as long as it doesn't bother me, which it seems not to at this point. But it seems no surprise that these things cause so much trouble for not just humans, but other mammals and some other animals as well.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):



    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):



  • Recent Activity

    1. knitty kitty
      - knitty kitty replied to lizzie42's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      6

      Son's legs shaking

      Blood tests for thiamine are unreliable. The nutrients from your food get absorbed into the bloodstream and travel around the body. So, a steak dinner can falsely raise thiamine blood levels in the following days. Besides, thiamine is utilized inside cells where stores of thiamine are impossible to measure. A better test to ask for is the Erythrocyte...
    2. lizzie42
      - lizzie42 replied to lizzie42's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      6

      Son's legs shaking

      Neither of them were anemic 6 months after the Celiac diagnosis. His other vitamin levels (d, B12) were never low. My daughters levels were normal after the first 6 months. Is the thiamine test just called thiamine?
    3. knitty kitty
      - knitty kitty replied to lizzie42's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      6

      Son's legs shaking

      Yes, I do think they need a Thiamine supplement at least. Especially since they eat red meat only occasionally. Most fruits and vegetables are not good sources of Thiamine. Legumes (beans) do contain thiamine. Fruits and veggies do have some of the other B vitamins, but thiamine B 1 and Cobalamine B12 are mostly found in meats. Meat, especially organ...
    4. lizzie42
      - lizzie42 replied to lizzie42's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      6

      Son's legs shaking

      Thank you! That's helpful. My kids eat very little processed food. Tons of fruit, vegetables, cheese, eggs and occasional red meat. We do a lot of rice and bean bowls, stir fry, etc. Do you think with all the fruits and vegetables they need a vitamin supplement? I feel like their diet is pretty healthy and balanced with very limited processed food....
    5. Scott Adams
      - Scott Adams replied to Russ H's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      1

      Anti-endomysial Antibody (EMA) Testing

      That is interesting, and it's the first time I heard about the umbilical cord beings used for that test. Thanks for sharing!
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):

  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      132,870
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748
    KABoston
    Newest Member
    KABoston
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):

  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):

  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • knitty kitty
      Son's legs shaking

      By knitty kitty · Posted

      Blood tests for thiamine are unreliable.  The nutrients from your food get absorbed into the bloodstream and travel around the body.  So, a steak dinner can falsely raise thiamine blood levels in the following days.  Besides, thiamine is utilized inside cells where stores of thiamine are impossible to measure. A better test to ask for is the Erythrocyte Transketolace Activity test.  But even that test has been questioned as to accuracy.  It is expensive and takes time to do.   Because of the discrepancies with thiamine tests and urgency with correcting thiamine deficiency, the World Health Organization recommends giving thiamine for several weeks and looking for health improvement.  Thiamine is water soluble, safe and nontoxic even in high doses.   Many doctors are not given sufficient education in nutrition and deficiency symptoms, and may not be familiar with how often they occur in Celiac disease.  B12 and Vitamin D can be stored for as long as a year in the liver, so not having deficiencies in these two vitamins is not a good indicator of the status of the other seven water soluble B vitamins.  It is possible to have deficiency symptoms BEFORE there's changes in the blood levels.   Ask your doctor about Benfotiamine, a form of thiamine that is better absorbed than Thiamine Mononitrate.  Thiamine Mononitrate is used in many vitamins because it is shelf-stable, a form of thiamine that won't break down sitting around on a store shelf.  This form is difficult for the body to turn into a usable form.  Only thirty percent is absorbed in the intestine, and less is actually used.   Thiamine interacts with all of the other B vitamins, so they should all be supplemented together.  Magnesium is needed to make life sustaining enzymes with thiamine, so a magnesium supplement should be added if magnesium levels are low.   Thiamine is water soluble, safe and nontoxic even in high doses.  There's no harm in trying.
    • lizzie42
      Son's legs shaking

      By lizzie42 · Posted

      Neither of them were anemic 6 months after the Celiac diagnosis. His other vitamin levels (d, B12) were never low. My daughters levels were normal after the first 6 months. Is the thiamine test just called thiamine? 
    • knitty kitty
      Son's legs shaking

      By knitty kitty · Posted

      Yes, I do think they need a Thiamine supplement at least. Especially since they eat red meat only occasionally. Most fruits and vegetables are not good sources of Thiamine.  Legumes (beans) do contain thiamine.  Fruits and veggies do have some of the other B vitamins, but thiamine B 1 and  Cobalamine B12 are mostly found in meats.  Meat, especially organ meats like liver, are the best sources of Thiamine, B12, and the six other B vitamins and important minerals like iron.   Thiamine has antibacterial and antiviral properties.  Thiamine is important to our immune systems.  We need more thiamine when we're physically ill or injured, when we're under stress emotionally, and when we exercise, especially outside in hot weather.  We need thiamine and other B vitamins like Niacin B 3 to keep our gastrointestinal tract healthy.  We can't store thiamine for very long.  We can get low in thiamine within three days.  Symptoms can appear suddenly when a high carbohydrate diet is consumed.  (Rice and beans are high in carbohydrates.)  A twenty percent increase in dietary thiamine causes an eighty percent increase in brain function, so symptoms can wax and wane depending on what one eats.  The earliest symptoms like fatigue and anxiety are easily contributed to other things or life events and dismissed.   Correcting nutritional deficiencies needs to be done quickly, especially in children, so their growth isn't stunted.  Nutritional deficiencies can affect intelligence.  Vitamin D deficiency can cause short stature and poor bone formation.   Is your son taking anything for the anemia?  Is the anemia caused by B12 or iron deficiency?  
    • lizzie42
      Son's legs shaking

      By lizzie42 · Posted

      Thank you! That's helpful. My kids eat very little processed food. Tons of fruit, vegetables, cheese, eggs and occasional red meat. We do a lot of rice and bean bowls, stir fry, etc.  Do you think with all the fruits and vegetables they need a vitamin supplement? I feel like their diet is pretty healthy and balanced with very limited processed food. The only processed food they eat regularly is a bowl of Cheerios here and there.  Could shaking legs be a symptom of just a one-time gluten exposure? I guess there's no way to know for sure if they're getting absolutely zero exposure because they do go to school a couple times a week. We do homeschool but my son does a shared school 2x a week and my daughter does a morning Pre-K 3 x a week.  At home our entire house is strictly gluten free and it is extremely rare for us to eat out. If we eat at someone else's house I usually just bring their food. When we have play dates we bring all the snacks, etc. I try to be really careful since they're still growing. They also, of course, catch kids viruses all the time so I  want to make sure I know whether they're just sick or they've had gluten. It can be pretty confusing when they're pretty young to even be explaining their symptoms! 
    • Scott Adams
      Anti-endomysial Antibody (EMA) Testing

      By Scott Adams · Posted

      That is interesting, and it's the first time I heard about the umbilical cord beings used for that test. Thanks for sharing!
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.