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Science To Research On Soy With Eggs And Chicken

John Burlingame

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John Burlingame
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Here is A Science to the fact Soy can be contained in eggs and chickens and any animal as far as I'm concerned. Open Original Shared Link

 

 

I had a reaction to my eggs, so I looked it up, and this is what I found after many days searching. For the people that need to see the facts.

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moosemalibu Collaborator
moosemalibu
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Interesting. I only saw an abstract. Is the whole paper published somewhere? Also - is there a threshold for soy isoflavones like there is for gluten (20ppm)?

bartfull Rising Star
bartfull
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I react badly to soy and I eat eggs without a problem. Most of the time I buy farm fresh eggs, but when I can't get them I buy the factory eggs at the grocery store. Still no problems.

moosemalibu Collaborator
moosemalibu
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I react badly to soy and I eat eggs without a problem. Most of the time I buy farm fresh eggs, but when I can't get them I buy the factory eggs at the grocery store. Still no problems.

 

Thanks for weighing in Bartfull. I don't have a soy intolerance that I know of but was curious about the link.

Gemini Experienced
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Here is A Science to the fact Soy can be contained in eggs and chickens and any animal as far as I'm concerned. Open Original Shared Link

 

 

I had a reaction to my eggs, so I looked it up, and this is what I found after many days searching. For the people that need to see the facts.

John........this is a topic that has been discussed spiritedly on this forum in the past and what it boils down to is that it is not recognized or supported by any leading Celiac researchers or organizations.  In other words, anyone with a reputable background in Celiac Disease would not support this theory.  Celiac's do not have to be wary of grain fed chickens in any way.  Unless you have an egg allergy or intolerance, eating eggs from grain fed chickens will not cause a Celiac reaction.  Now...you can choose to believe whatever you want but I needed to point this out for those new to this disease so as not to confuse or worry them.  Eggs are the perfect protein so eating them should not be discouraged during the healing process or beyond.

 

I really feel the need to say this.......for those unfamiliar with Celiac Disease or just learning the ropes, please take the time to really learn the correct information and invest in a good book that will teach you the correct way to navigate this disease.  A couple that come to mind......Real Life with Celiac Disease and Celiac Disease: A Hidden Epidemic.  Google the titles and find the books because they are really good at explaining everything.....including how your digestive tract works. The second title does this really well.

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dilettantesteph
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The OP has a soy reaction.  I think that's why he posted in the "Other Food Intolerances" section.

kareng Grand Master
kareng
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The OP has a soy reaction.  I think that's why he posted in the "Other Food Intolerances" section.

 

 

Actually, he put this thread somewhere else.  But, because he was talking about soy, not gluten, it was moved to this section "other intolerances".  It might be confusing,as this is a Celiac forum and many of us read  thread titles & access the thread/topic from the "new content" section and don't notice the "topic" title.

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Take away message.  Look at these numbers closely.  When chickens were feed the speacial meal packed with 500 soy isoflavones, the numbers are high.  Now look at regular soy based (not isoflavones added) feed results and see the much lower numbers.  This was a study to INTENTIONALLY raise the number of isoflavones in the egg!  In the end, even free range hens eating the typical soy based feed also has a small number of isoflavones....these same free range eggs that many with soy sensativities enjoy every day.  
 
 
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--In 2009, grad student Dante Miguel Marcial Vargas Galdos at Ohio State University completed a master's thesis entitled "Quantification of Soy Isoflavones in Commercial Eggs and their Transfer from Poultry Feed into Eggs and Tissue" [4]. Forty eight laying hens were fed three types of chicken feed: a soy-free feed,  a regular feed containing 25 percent soybean meal or a special feed that packed 500 soy isoflavones per 100 grams. Vargas Galdos succeeded in his goal of proving the transfer and accumulation of isoflavones from chicken feed into hen eggs and tissues. Chickens fed the special chow with the extra 500 mg isoflavones per 100 grams laid eggs with yolks containing 1000 μg isoflavones per 100 grams. Chicken livers, kidneys, hearts and muscles contained 7162 μg/100g, 3355 μg/100g , 272 μg/100g and 97 μg/100g, respectively. He found no soy isoflavones in the eggs laid by hens fed soy-free Cocofeed obtained from Tropical Traditions. Although these chickens had grown up on the regular 25 percent soy protein feed, no trace of soy isoflavones remained in their eggs ten days after switching to the soy-free alternative.
Vargas Galdos 's research also included measuring the isoflavone content, including equol, of eighteen brands of eggs currently on the market.Not surprisingly, all brands of commercial or organic eggs, whether free range or caged,  contained soy isoflavones, with the total isoflavone content per egg ranging from 33μg to 139μg per 100g of egg yolk. These samples were all from hens fed a soy-based feed as is typical of eggs now sold both in supermarkets and health food stores. Although variations occurred from egg to egg, there was no significant difference on isoflavone content among the different brands with the exception of those eggs high in omega 3 fatty acids. A premium brand that claimed an omega 3 concentration of 600 mg per egg showed a significantly lower isoflavone content, presumably because flax seed or fish rations replaced some- though not all-of the regular soy feed.--
 
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Adalaide
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It is not uncommon for someone recently diagnosed and/or new to being gluten free to discover "new" intolerances as they begin to heal. This is because other things aren't bothering you because you've removed them from your diet and you can now tell when something bothers them rather than it being masked by the overall bleh feelings. You should consider the possibility that your problem is actually the eggs, not some mystery thing the chicken ate before it laid them. Once you've had time to heal and are feeling better, you can see if you can add eggs back to your diet.

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Finally-45
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I strongly agree with Adelaide!  I didn't want to believe it at first, but you can have multiple diet-related conditions.  I think if the Celiac condition comes first, we're so happy to have an answer to our health questions, we're convinced it's the ONLY answer.

 

Many people with mastocytosis don't tolerate soy, eggs, wheat, rye, barley, or poultry that isn't organic/free range. 

dilettantesteph Collaborator
dilettantesteph
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Actually, he put this thread somewhere else.  But, because he was talking about soy, not gluten, it was moved to this section "other intolerances".  It might be confusing,as this is a Celiac forum and many of us read  thread titles & access the thread/topic from the "new content" section and don't notice the "topic" title.

 

Oh, good.  Sorry I didn't notice.

 

In case anyone is interested, there are eggs available from soy free chickens.  Just soy free eggs online.  I have no idea if it is really an issue.

John Burlingame Explorer
John Burlingame
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Sorry, still new too the site, this is a better place for the topic. I'm a very vocal person in a crowd, I see an issue I voice my opinion, In this case It affects my gut and survival. Here is a link to soy and gluten fee chicken eggs and meat. Open Original Shared Link I have had reactions to meat and eggs. I mostly dont care about it anymore since I started the fruit and Veggie intake. I get to avoid eggs and most meat. I eat meat from a Nolan's Ryan's gluten free and soy free meat and had no issues. Open Original Shared Link For people and companies to make a point in selling meat that soy and gluten free must see a demand for it due to people out there like me having reactions to soy and gluten fed animals that are eaten by us. Just Saying.

GFinDC Veteran
GFinDC
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Interesting article John.  I wonder if they intend to use research like this to promote the sale of eggs as a healthier version, with enhanced soy isoflavones.  Anyway, I think most times if not all times a food or allergy reaction is to a protein in the food or allergen.  I don't know if isoflavones are proteins or not.  People can develop reactions to most any food though.  Our guts are irritated by the celiac disease damage and the immune system may assume the food you eat most of is causing that irritation.  At least that's one way of thinking about it.  Sometimes those reactions are temporary and sometimes they are permanent.  It all depends on something.  What the heck that something is I have no clue tho.  Duh...

 

You might want to check out Enjoy Life brand products..  They make many things that are free of the top 8 allergens.  It seems nutty to me that soy is in so many products but is one of the top 8 allergens.  But soy is cheap so I guess that's why.

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Interesting article John.  I wonder if they intend to use research like this to promote the sale of eggs as a healthier version, with enhanced soy isoflavones.  Anyway, I think most times if not all times a food or allergy reaction is to a protein in the food or allergen.  I don't know if isoflavones are proteins or not.  People can develop reactions to most any food though.  Our guts are irritated by the celiac disease damage and the immune system may assume the food you eat most of is causing that irritation.  At least that's one way of thinking about it.  Sometimes those reactions are temporary and sometimes they are permanent.  It all depends on something.  What the heck that something is I have no clue tho.  Duh...

 

You might want to check out Enjoy Life brand products..  They make many things that are free of the top 8 allergens.  It seems nutty to me that soy is in so many products but is one of the top 8 allergens.  But soy is cheap so I guess that's why.

yea soy is cheaper than anything out there, plus the lobbyist with there soy money, makes something bad into something good for everybody, shame its in just about everything thats processed. cheap is the way to go, healthy choices dont pay the bills. In some cases they do. but in a business owner the lowest price point is always taken unless there is a law in place to say otherwise. or we still be eating with lead laced silverware or lead water pipes

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