Omg...i Might Be On To Something

[lonewolf]

Dear lonewolf,

To add to what Rachel posted, chelation must be done after amalgams are removed. Otherwise, it is still getting into your system. I would recommend two books about this. "It's All In Your Head" by Dr. Hal Huggins, DDS, and "Beating Alzheimer's" by Tom Warren. In these books, they speak of the dangers in our metal dental work. Go for composite fillings when you can. They are safer. However, when you already have mercury fillings or other metal fillings present, there is a specific order in which it must be done. This is due to mercury and other metals causing an electric current when you chew that can be overpowering to the brain, called a galvanic reaction. That can cause Alzheimer's, Schizophrenia, Bipolar Disorder, and many other mental and physical woes.

Thanks Noglugirl and all the others who responded! I've been told in the past to leave my fillings and just have them replaced as needed - that removing them would cause more mercury to leach into my system than I'm getting now. I haven't had a cavity since changing my diet almost 11 years ago, so I'm thinking my last amalgam filling was somewhere between 11 and 12 years ago. Some of them are over 30 years old by now and a few have been replaced with composite. My dentist still does amalgam fillings because most insurance won't pay for composite. Like Carla said, we've had to pay the difference between amalgam and composite for the few fillings our kids have had or that we've had replaced.

I'll start with my naturopath. I'm afraid that the whole process will be too much money for us to possibly afford, but maybe I can do it a little at a time. I suppose one could find a dentist that removes mercury by searching online?

[Clark Bent as Stupor-Man]

These Dr.'s are usually "Integrative"....they use both traditional medicine and alternative medicine and combine the two to give you the best of both worlds. They have the best understanding of chronic illness and what causes it. Traditional Dr.'s do not have this knowledge....the focus of their studies is on disease and treatment of disease. They know nothing of the *causes* of disease or how to identify them.

I would recommend finding an Integrative Dr. in your area who is knowledgable in the areas I mentioned. If you do some homework and seek out some of the Integrative Dr.'s in your area you should be able to find someone who is "top of the line" by asking around. Also if you speak with an LLMD (a Lyme specialist) if he doesnt treat mercury toxicity himself I would guarantee he would know someone who does. You will find that you will have to pay more "out of pocket"...at least I did....but for me it was well worth it.

there's an integrative doctor by me who my sister (whose medical problems dwarf mine) went to for a while... she's well respected in the medical community and is knowledgable about homeopathy, leaky gut, etc... I'm going to check with her to see if she knows a doctor who specializes in detoxing metals... I'm also going to check with a few other doctors/nutritionists I've seen in the past year...

I might also check out looking for a LLMD.. I've been considering getting tested for Lyme through Igenex for a while though I'll have to check how much that will cost me first..

Right now my Dr.'s are going on the results of ART and BioSET (which both pinpoint mercury and candida) and the fact that I have large amounts of fungus/yeast which would generally be caused by mercury...especially when everything else has been ruled out.

candida seems to be my biggest problem currently... Brewer's yeast and baker's yeast were my 2 strongest reactions on my 115 food intolerance test... but after trying one antifungal for 6 weeks last summer, having an adverse reaction the whole time and never experiencing the die-off plateauing and then decreasing.. and using a small amount of caprylic acid per day for the past month and a half.. I'm leaning towards investigating if there is an underlying toxicity impeding my progress in getting rid of the candida issues as well as the leaky gut and food allergies

[Rachel--24]

I'm leaning towards investigating if there is an underlying toxicity impeding my progress in getting rid of the candida issues as well as the leaky gut and food allergies

This is the way to go. If you have candida.....its there for a reason....better off finding what that reason is then fighting an endless battle with the candida.

Another way to find a good Dr. might be through a biological dentist. A dentist who practices the safe removal of amalgams and is mercury-free will likely know of a good Dr. for diagnosing/treating mercury toxicity.

[Rachel--24]

I'll start with my naturopath. I'm afraid that the whole process will be too much money for us to possibly afford, but maybe I can do it a little at a time. I suppose one could find a dentist that removes mercury by searching online?

Liz...its true that the removal itself exposes you to more mercury. Thats why its important to see someone who does it properly. They can give you supplements to help your body get rid of anything you're exposed to....they sometimes also give a shot of Vitamin C as well.

If you're already toxic from mercury and it is taking a toll on your health it sometimes is necessary to have them removed in order to get well. You can do a little at a time....its actually easier on your system that way. Its not recommended to get everything removed at once.

I cant remember how I found my dentist....I think I made some phone calls but an online search sounds like a good start. Good luck!!

[Rachel--24]

Dear Rachel,

Chlorine makes my eyes burn! I saw a chlorine filter for the shower on television not too long ago. I will go and look for it to find it again. I will let you know what it is called. It was not too expensive, either. It was only about $30 or so. Chlorine is also not good for your hair. You absort it through your skin and it is sometimes toxic to those who are chemically sensitive such as ourselve.

Chlorine always shows up as a problem for me in BioSET. I know that I should definately avoid it. I dont know anything about these filters...are they easy to install?? How do they work?? Can I get one at Home Depot or something?? Where can I find them??

[Rachel--24]

More interesting stuff about NDF. Apparantly even the probiotics in it are "different".

On my bottle of NDF it says....Polyflor cell wall lysates of:

and then it lists all of the probitic strains in the NDF.

This is what I read about it...

Why include Cell Wall Broken Lactic Acid Bacteria?

One of the reasons probiotics are so valuable is that they manufacture 'bacteriocins', a form of natural antibiotic that drives pathogenic bacteria and yeasts away from their territory without breaking their cell wall, called the 'competitive exclusion effect'.

When you break the cell wall of Candida, which naturally absorbs heavy metals, those metals are released back into the system (possibly one explanation of Herxheimer's Reaction).

Therefore, we included a solution of cell wall broken probiotics, including their bacteriocins, in NDF to drive out the pathogens without breaking their cell wall. So you have the advantage of correcting the dysbiosis, and because the probiotics are dead, you do not have the problem of them methylating the mercury. This is one of the reasons why NDF is generally so well tolerated.

As the other ingredients in NDF reduce the presence of heavy metals and other free radicals in the system, the cell wall broken probiotic component is preparing the gut for recolonization. Depending on the case, therapeutic doses of probiotics can be given safely after the body burden has been significantly reduced.

PolyFlor

[Rachel--24]

Many mercury poisoning symptoms are just like chronic yeast or candida, and often the patients misdiagnose themselves. Unless of course she most definitely has a vaginal yeast infection. Candida and yeast will actually attach themselves to the mercury molecule. We know it also attaches itself to the iron molecule as well and uses them as a means of travel. It will also use these metals as a food source if needed to survive. It must be removed from the body because of this fact or you will not get well.

This seems to definately be my problem....the yest are attached to the mercury like my Dr. said. This is why he was saying my system is gonna get flooded with yeast when I start removing the metals. He said the candida will get worse before it gets better.

Most people associate mercury poisoning with the silver metal amalgam dental fillings that were in widespread use up until recently. Recently, a great amount of attention has been focused on autism and the mercury found in vaccines and for good reason. Cases of autism spiked, and have continued at almost epidemic rates since 1991, 2 years after the introduction of the MMR vaccine and the usage of thermosal (mercury) as its preservative.

Thermosal was and is used in many products as a preservative. Antiseptic gels, contact lense solutions, hemorrhoid creams, lubricating gels, and vaginal contraceptives. Fluorescent lights contain a high amount of mercury and if you are around one when the glass tube is broken, you may have breathed the resulting gas. Red ink used for tattoos contains mercury sulfide as the coloring agent. Tuna, swordfish, shellfish, and shark are all loaded with high mercury levels.

Some other mercury sources are found in environmental air pollution or acid rain from coal fired power plant emissions, adhesives, talc and body powder, broken thermometers, cosmetics, all plastics, diuretics, fabric softeners, felt, floor waxes/polishes, fungicides, industrial wastes, laxatives, mercurochome, photo-engraving, skin lightening cream, suppositories, wood preservatives, hair dyes, batteries, Preperation H, solvent-thinned paints, and latex paints.

The point is, mercury exposure can be a common occurrence for all of us.

HOLY COW....mercury is in BOUNCE!!

I had actually read that almost 4 years ago when I first got sensitive to the dryer sheets. I hadnt seen anything about it since so had thought maybe I had "imagined it". Apparantly not...the dryer sheets really are a source of mercury.

I was talking to my friend tonight. I was asking her if she really thinks mercury got me sick....she said everything fits. I asked if I was getting sensitive to stuff before the dental work....was there anything wrong before that that maybe I'm forgetting about??

She said no....she said I was never allergic to anything and I wasnt sensitive to any smells at all...she said there was nothing wrong with me at all. Shes known me for 17 years and she said I definately didnt start reacting to stuff until after the dental work.

[Mango04]

Chlorine always shows up as a problem for me in BioSET. I know that I should definately avoid it. I dont know anything about these filters...are they easy to install?? How do they work?? Can I get one at Home Depot or something?? Where can I find them??

I guess I'll randomly pop in here I bought one at home depot once when I was in college, after listening to a lecture in my kineseology class about the dangers of tap water LOL. I don't know if it was a very high quality one, but was very easy to install. You just kind of unscrew part of the shower head and then connect the filter to it. I guess it worked kind of like a britta? I think whole house filters are really the way to go (quality-wise), but some sort of filter is probably better than nothing.

Anywho, I've been lurking around here a bit. I've been interested in the mercury discussions, since I coincidentally started taking chlorella a couple weeks ago. The bottle says stuff about cell walls and what not , and I think it's pretty high quality chlorella, but I'm still a bit hesitant about it. It does give me raging pressure headaches, but that probably means it's working, or at least it's doing something? I know there's lots and lots and lots of scientificness about this in the last several pages of this thread so I guess I should get back to reading

[Clark Bent as Stupor-Man]

This is the way to go. If you have candida.....its there for a reason....better off finding what that reason is then fighting an endless battle with the candida.

and miss out on all that fun?

the thing that I'm trying to figure out now, well, at least one thing I'm trying to figure out... is that if the root cause of my medical issues is an underlying toxicity, then why wouldn't I have been sicker through my high school to early college years?

I had a lot of medical problems as a kid, 3 cases of severe diarrhea causing me to lose about 15% of my body weight each time all before age 6, ear infections resulting in 3 mirongatamies (tubes for 6 years), environmental allergies to everything under the sun including molds, dust, pollen, etc. as well as lactose intolerance... among some other things...

but then I was "relatively healthy" in my teenage years into my first few years of college... I was diagnosed with a few things at times like sever's disease (inflamed growth plates in my heels) and Raynaud's disease (poor blood circulation in my hands) and I always had environmental allergies as well as exhibiting hypoglycemic symptoms but I was pretty much fine throughout high school and college despite getting a couple hours of sleep a whole lot of nights, often eating only a few meals, even carb-heavy meals, at irregular times, and drinking heavily...

I've read that celiac disease may often present itself symptomatically during childhood and then become latent through puberty reappearing in the early 20s, but I don't know if toxicity could follow a similar pattern... I don't know if somehow the hormonal changes and whatnot the body undergoes could somehow limit the symptoms for a period of years... I'm certainly not the immune-suppressed type that had toxicity for years but never had a cold or got sick as I would still get sick every few months through my late teens and early 20s..

I did get a mono-like virus late sophomore year of college and this seemed to be a trigger of sorts which gradually lead me downhill.. I got my first ear infection since childhood less than 6 months after that... I then started getting headaches within a year of that and had daily headaches soon afterwards..

is this a somewhat common scenario for adults with mercury poisoning? if toxicity is my problem, then I would think it's almost directly tied to my childhood and prenatal exposure... my mom had 8 silver amalgams when she was pregnant with myself (and my sister) and I had one silver filling in my baby teeth in addition to any exposure from vaccinations (I also had reactions to the pertussis component in the DPT vaccine)... aside from mercury, just in terms of general toxicity, my pops also served in areas heavily sprayed with Agent Orange in Nam..

but I don't seem to have an adult pinpointable trigger like yourself or some others do... for all I know, my situation could be similar to many others with toxicity but most of what I've read about mercury talks either about kids with autism or people with fillings...

[NoGluGirl]

Thanks Noglugirl and all the others who responded! I've been told in the past to leave my fillings and just have them replaced as needed - that removing them would cause more mercury to leach into my system than I'm getting now. I haven't had a cavity since changing my diet almost 11 years ago, so I'm thinking my last amalgam filling was somewhere between 11 and 12 years ago. Some of them are over 30 years old by now and a few have been replaced with composite. My dentist still does amalgam fillings because most insurance won't pay for composite. Like Carla said, we've had to pay the difference between amalgam and composite for the few fillings our kids have had or that we've had replaced.

I'll start with my naturopath. I'm afraid that the whole process will be too much money for us to possibly afford, but maybe I can do it a little at a time. I suppose one could find a dentist that removes mercury by searching online?

Dear lonewolf,

It is no problem at all! It is our pleasure! Helping each other is what we are here for! As far as mercury goes, even getting the fillings removed may not be enough. Tom Warren said this in his book. A number of his fillings he had for many years as you have. Fragments of these things can break off and imbed themselves into your jawbone. That is why he did not get better until he had those peice surgically removed from his jaw, despite having the fillings removed. The fillings also need to be removed in the proper order, or else damage can result. This primarily concerns the ionic charge of the metals. It sounds like an online search is a good idea. Good luck! Let us know what you find!

Sincerely,

NoGluGirl

[AndreaB]

My dentist removed my silver fillings because they were breaking down....one was already broken. When discussing replacement materials for crowns I requested porcelian crowns. He gave me the same speech you typed about porcelain being less duarble, higher decay rate, etc. He told me gold was a much better option...more durable, longer life-span, etc.

I find this interesting because my doctor just told me that gold crowns have a little mercury in them and aren't much better than amalgams themselves.

I have a couple questions about getting started on looking into mercury toxicity:

how do I go about finding a doctor in my area (preferably one that's top of the line and really knows what they're doing) that will test for and detox mercury?

and what exactly is tested to determine mercury toxicity? I would think that urine and blood won't show much due to a lack of an acute or constant poisoning in my case... I don't know if a low hair test is statistically significant for someone in their 20s in comparison to autistic kids averaging lower hair mercury levels than non-autistic kids and I don't know what a high hair test would really indicate either... and from what I've seen, I don't think they typically test mercury levels in tissue or organs, right?

My doctor uses hair analysis. He's an md that's incorporated holistic health into his practice.

[AndreaB]

Anywho, I've been lurking around here a bit. I've been interested in the mercury discussions, since I coincidentally started taking chlorella a couple weeks ago. The bottle says stuff about cell walls and what not , and I think it's pretty high quality chlorella, but I'm still a bit hesitant about it. It does give me raging pressure headaches, but that probably means it's working, or at least it's doing something? I know there's lots and lots and lots of scientificness about this in the last several pages of this thread so I guess I should get back to reading

It's always good to see you M! Keep us posted on how the chlorella goes. I think that is supposed to be taken with something else to get the mercury out of the body. I forget whether that is the binder or whether it just flushes mercury out of hiding.

Rachel?

but I don't seem to have an adult pinpointable trigger like yourself or some others do... for all I know, my situation could be similar to many others with toxicity but most of what I've read about mercury talks either about kids with autism or people with fillings...

I don't have any answers for you. I would think a lot of things contributed to whatever is causing you problems now.

[NoGluGirl]

and miss out on all that fun?

the thing that I'm trying to figure out now, well, at least one thing I'm trying to figure out... is that if the root cause of my medical issues is an underlying toxicity, then why wouldn't I have been sicker through my high school to early college years?

I had a lot of medical problems as a kid, 3 cases of severe diarrhea causing me to lose about 15% of my body weight each time all before age 6, ear infections resulting in 3 mirongatamies (tubes for 6 years), environmental allergies to everything under the sun including molds, dust, pollen, etc. as well as lactose intolerance... among some other things...

but then I was "relatively healthy" in my teenage years into my first few years of college... I was diagnosed with a few things at times like sever's disease (inflamed growth plates in my heels) and Raynaud's disease (poor blood circulation in my hands) and I always had environmental allergies as well as exhibiting hypoglycemic symptoms but I was pretty much fine throughout high school and college despite getting a couple hours of sleep a whole lot of nights, often eating only a few meals, even carb-heavy meals, at irregular times, and drinking heavily...

I've read that celiac disease may often present itself symptomatically during childhood and then become latent through puberty reappearing in the early 20s, but I don't know if toxicity could follow a similar pattern... I don't know if somehow the hormonal changes and whatnot the body undergoes could somehow limit the symptoms for a period of years... I'm certainly not the immune-suppressed type that had toxicity for years but never had a cold or got sick as I would still get sick every few months through my late teens and early 20s..

I did get a mono-like virus late sophomore year of college and this seemed to be a trigger of sorts which gradually lead me downhill.. I got my first ear infection since childhood less than 6 months after that... I then started getting headaches within a year of that and had daily headaches soon afterwards..

is this a somewhat common scenario for adults with mercury poisoning? if toxicity is my problem, then I would think it's almost directly tied to my childhood and prenatal exposure... my mom had 8 silver amalgams when she was pregnant with myself (and my sister) and I had one silver filling in my baby teeth in addition to any exposure from vaccinations (I also had reactions to the pertussis component in the DPT vaccine)... aside from mercury, just in terms of general toxicity, my pops also served in areas heavily sprayed with Agent Orange in Nam..

but I don't seem to have an adult pinpointable trigger like yourself or some others do... for all I know, my situation could be similar to many others with toxicity but most of what I've read about mercury talks either about kids with autism or people with fillings...

Dear Clark Bent as Stupor Man,

First off, I have to say I love your name! LOL! Now, one thing you need to know is, mercury poisoning does not just lead to autism, it is involved in so much more. Alzheimer's, dementia, schizophrenia, and a number of other mental illnesses are linked to it. Many people are exposed to mercury by more than fillings. Though all of my fillings are composite, I eat a lot of tuna. That adds up after a while. You also can inhale it when you are around other people with metal amalgams, in a vapor. Methyl mercury is the most dangerous form, and is the easiest to go straight to the brain. It is in fact, so dangerous, that the government labels it a deadly poison and has it sealed tightly is labs. Yet, despite this, they decide it is okay to let the ADA put it in our mouths? I don't think so! As Rachel pointed out, it is also in so much more than that. Everything from paint, baby powder, flooring and leather treatments has it in there. What is even more frightening is the fact that other poisonous metals are lurking all over the place! We expose ourselves to them hundreds of times a day. Young children who play on wooden decks can begin having mood swings, neurological problems, and jerking spasms because they absorb the arsenic from the copper arsenate in the treatment put on the wood. Another unexpected source of arsenic : tap water! We have a water filter, thank goodness. Culligan is great! Watch out, though, because some water filters can have charcoal, which can contain gluten. Other toxic metals include lead and aluminum. Many of us use products from it as well. I am guilty of this. It has been linked to Alzheimer's as well. Sources of aluminum include : aluminum foil, soda cans, deoderant and anti-perspirant, baking soda, baking powder, cookware, and tooth fillings. Places lead can be found and easily forgotten about are : old plumbing pipes, candle wicks, tooth fillings, lead chrystal, old house paint (before 1977), some old painted toys, and glazed china. Anyway, I hope this gives you an idea of how some things are more dangerous than you think. I am like you, where I was a sickly child. I ran high fevers frequently, and from infancy had respiratory and ear infections, as well spitting up every formula my parents tried. I finally was put on 2% milk. I continued to suffer with respiratory problems, being on antibiotics frequently due to bronchitis which I sometimes had twice a year. I was always nauseated, too. Allergies were also a problem. I am allergic to mold, dust, dustmites, ragweed, strawberries, etc. In my teens, it did not improve. I was diagnosed with asthma, ovarian cysts, and anemia. As a young adult, I found out I have Thyroid disease, and gluten intolerance. By the age of 17, I had suffered with pneumonia twice and bronchitis twice a year at time, when there was not bronchitis, there was a sinus infection. Now, at 24, my teeth are also going bad. TMJ causes a lot of pain, and Candida is a daily battle. The possibility of Lyme disease, Babesia, hormone imbalances, and so much more makes me happy to know that there are some causes for how bad I feel. It just is going to take some effort and searching. Anything that brings me answers is worth pursuing. If you feel mercury is causing you difficulty, you should act.

Sincerely,

NoGluGirl

P.S. I also had to have my gallbladder out at 20 years old, as well as having been diagnosed with Fibromyalgia, and having Raynaud's phenomenon.

[NoGluGirl]

Thanks Noglugirl and all the others who responded! I've been told in the past to leave my fillings and just have them replaced as needed - that removing them would cause more mercury to leach into my system than I'm getting now. I haven't had a cavity since changing my diet almost 11 years ago, so I'm thinking my last amalgam filling was somewhere between 11 and 12 years ago. Some of them are over 30 years old by now and a few have been replaced with composite. My dentist still does amalgam fillings because most insurance won't pay for composite. Like Carla said, we've had to pay the difference between amalgam and composite for the few fillings our kids have had or that we've had replaced.

I'll start with my naturopath. I'm afraid that the whole process will be too much money for us to possibly afford, but maybe I can do it a little at a time. I suppose one could find a dentist that removes mercury by searching online?

Dear lonewolf,

I am not sure where you live. However, I was poking around on Google and found this forum, Open Original Shared Link which talks about dentists who remove metal amalgams. I also found some good sites about the dangers of mercury toxicity. I will send those URLs to you in a future post if you want. Just say the word! The people on this forum might be able to help you locate a dentist in your area doing this type of work.

Sincerely,

NoGluGirl

[AndreaB]

Everything from paint, baby powder, flooring and leather treatments has it in there. What is even more frightening is the fact that other poisonous metals are lurking all over the place! We expose ourselves to them hundreds of times a day. Young children who play on wooden decks can begin having mood swings, neurological problems, and jerking spasms because they absorb the arsenic from the copper arsenate in the treatment put on the wood. Another unexpected source of arsenic : tap water! We have a water filter, thank goodness. Culligan is great! Watch out, though, because some water filters can have charcoal, which can contain gluten. Other toxic metals include lead and aluminum. Many of us use products from it as well. I am guilty of this. It has been linked to Alzheimer's as well. Sources of aluminum include : aluminum foil, soda cans, deoderant and anti-perspirant, baking soda, baking powder, cookware, and tooth fillings. Places lead can be found and easily forgotten about are : old plumbing pipes, candle wicks, tooth fillings, lead chrystal, old house paint (before 1977), some old painted toys, and glazed china. Anyway, I hope this gives you an idea of how some things are more dangerous than you think.

I appreciate these lists. I was going to say don't be surprised if I bug you for this again at some point but I'll just copy it over.

That's interesting that you said arsenic is in water. That was highest on my hair analysis.

[AndreaB]

Liz,

I've been given a name and will get the number next month of a dentist in the southern midwest area that has real reasonable rates for amalgam removal and is a toxic free dentist. If you are interested in having it done and are willing to fly to have it done pm me and I'll get the info to you when I have it.

[NoGluGirl]

I appreciate these lists. I was going to say don't be surprised if I bug you for this again at some point but I'll just copy it over.

That's interesting that you said arsenic is in water. That was highest on my hair analysis.

Dear Andrea,

Yep, arsenic is in the water. It is scary. We bathe in this stuff! Don't worry about asking me again. I won't mind. All you need to do is say the word! Getting back to arsenic, President Clinton had the maximum amount of arsenic allowed in water lowered, but President Bush raised it later. That sucked. The only safe amount of arsenic is none really, but the lower the better in my opinion.

Sincerely,

NoGluGirl

[Rachel--24]

the thing that I'm trying to figure out now, well, at least one thing I'm trying to figure out... is that if the root cause of my medical issues is an underlying toxicity, then why wouldn't I have been sicker through my high school to early college years?

Based on everything you've written I would seriously look into something like Lyme. Also you mentioned your sisters health is not good either?? The bacteria is passed from mother to child so it could be something like that. In this case I notice that the children often do get sickly and end up with autoimmune disease. Also the symptoms can wax and wane much like they do with Celiac.

Lyme can lay dormant and then flare up at times of stress. The toxins are similar to mercury in that they are neurotoxins and can inhibit the livers ability to detoxify....this creates a heavy burden of other toxins which are unable to be detoxed. This is why Lyme patients also need to go through heavy metal detox. Also the Lyme bacteria binds with mercury in the same way that candida does.

Lyme and mercury are synergistic...they work together. You cant have Lyme and not have mercury. Given the fact that your mom had plenty of amalgam fillings this would certainly compound the problem. I would definately find a Dr. (LLMD) to get this ruled out.

I am going to guess that since this is something that was going on all your life it is most likely not just related to mercury...although I would bet mercury is playing a role.

Some people are genetically less able to detox neurotoxins so they could accumulate at a faster rate and cause symtpoms. I think symptoms of mercury toxicity can come and go just as they do with Lyme.

You may have periods of feeling well and the scale may tip back and forth but eventually it will tip all the way to the side of illness...as its done with most of us here.

Mercury poisoning and metal poisoning is fairly common in this modern day and age from constant exposure to toxins and chemicals. Mercury poisoning symptoms will also come and go and are usually not constant. It affects everyone differently depending on his or her personal physiology. Overall, a person may have long periods of great productivity in their lives followed by periods of being nonproductive. As the poisoning progresses, these periods of productivity become shorter and fewer in-between as the poisoning sets in slowly and progresses thru levels of increasing dysfunction.

There can be many factors involved and only a knowledgeable Dr. can figure out all that is involved in your particular case.

[CarlaB]

I suppose one could find a dentist that removes mercury by searching online?

Open Original Shared Link

[Rachel--24]

You just kind of unscrew part of the shower head and then connect the filter to it. I guess it worked kind of like a britta?

But I mostly take baths???

Can you get these things only for shower heads....what about baths??

Mango....good luck with the chlorrela!!

Were you taking it for mercury or for something else??

[CarlaB]

NoGluGirl, I have a request, it's difficult to impossible with my Lyme brain to read big blocks of print, would you please break up your posts a little bit. You generally have good information, but many times I have trouble reading it.

Clark Bent, I was exposed to ticks 1972-1975 and DEFINATELY have Lyme Disease and a Babesia co-infection. I was fine in high school, except for a little fatigue, which I always attributed to getting up before 6AM.

In college I was fine, too, until a major stressor, then I became ill. It took months, but I finally came out of it. That happened two more times, the most recent before now being 1991. In 1991 I had my amalgams out, detoxed the mercury with supplements, and went on an anti-candida diet. I was into eating healthy after that because I didn't want to get sick again.

In 2003, another major stress and another flare-up. This time the stress lasted 5 years, so the Lyme is too bad now for my body to handle on it's own. I'm currently seeing an LLMD in NY for treatment.

Mango, have you tried taking charcoal? I've heard it helps with detox, but not sure if it does with mercury. I know Lymies take it and take chlorella, too. For Lyme herxes they also say to drink lemon juice in water. It's all about detoxing during a herx, so this might help with the mercury detox, too.

Rachel, you might look at water softener companies in your area (Culligan is good, but pricey, we go with a more local one) and find out how much a whole house filter costs. After all, you use the water to brush your teeth, cook, wash your hands, etc.

[CarlaB]

My doctor had me start taking this probiotic. I found this interesting article on it. Open Original Shared Link.

The article mentions that the probiotic has been clinically proven to break down gliandin. It does NOT claim to be a cure for celiac, only a possible way to manufacture better gluten-free food. But I'm wondering if it might be very helpful for those of us who have a gluten intolerance due to leaky gut.

[dlp252]

are bioset and ART just different diagnostic tools to gauge one's issues in response to different substances? from what I've been able to pick up from reading the past 10 pages or so of this thread, bioset and ART are kinesiology-related methods that many of you are using to pinpoint the issues with your systems... is this what has confirmed the mercury toxicity within your bodies?

Yep, BioSET is what I've been using to try to pinpoint where and what to begin with. I've been tested up the kazoo with traditional medical testing and none of that really showed much and yet I am still not well, so I've turned to more integrative methods which seem to really be accurate as far as what is wrong. I haven't tried ART yet, but probably will.

I never seeked out these Dr.'s. I started out with the crappiest Dr.'s you could ever imagine. I prayed that somehow I'd end up with the right Dr.'s and I guess someone heard me.

Rachel and I live in the same area...we actually shared one doctor before we really "met" here on the boards, and after meeting and talking here, I am fortunate enough to now see some of "her" doctors, lol.

Thanks Noglugirl and all the others who responded! I've been told in the past to leave my fillings and just have them replaced as needed - that removing them would cause more mercury to leach into my system than I'm getting now. I haven't had a cavity since changing my diet almost 11 years ago, so I'm thinking my last amalgam filling was somewhere between 11 and 12 years ago. Some of them are over 30 years old by now and a few have been replaced with composite. My dentist still does amalgam fillings because most insurance won't pay for composite. Like Carla said, we've had to pay the difference between amalgam and composite for the few fillings our kids have had or that we've had replaced.

I'll start with my naturopath. I'm afraid that the whole process will be too much money for us to possibly afford, but maybe I can do it a little at a time. I suppose one could find a dentist that removes mercury by searching online?

A really good dentist who follows the correct protocols will really reduce the amount of mercury that gets released during removal. Still there is still a chance that the removal itself could make you sick. I had my amalgams (11 in all) taken out in quadrants beginning in November. The first two quadrants were done two weeks apart, then I had a break for vacation and holidays in December, then the last two quadrants done in January/February. Maybe just a coincidence but I did get sick (sinus infection/cold type things) after each of the two major removals...still don't know if it's connected or not. My dentist (Rachel's old dentist too actually, lol) follows correct protocol and protection...so I don't know. I had a lot of amalgam and I believe I'm fairly mercury toxic at this point, so it could be that just any amount over the "normal" amount for me would make me sick.

As far as cost...my portion of the whole process (for 11 amalgam removals--5 crowns) was around $8,000 I think. I only have a $2,000 dental benefit each year and even then I couldn't use all of it.

there's an integrative doctor by me who my sister (whose medical problems dwarf mine) went to for a while... she's well respected in the medical community and is knowledgable about homeopathy, leaky gut, etc... I'm going to check with her to see if she knows a doctor who specializes in detoxing metals... I'm also going to check with a few other doctors/nutritionists I've seen in the past year...

I might also check out looking for a LLMD.. I've been considering getting tested for Lyme through Igenex for a while though I'll have to check how much that will cost me first..

candida seems to be my biggest problem currently... Brewer's yeast and baker's yeast were my 2 strongest reactions on my 115 food intolerance test... but after trying one antifungal for 6 weeks last summer, having an adverse reaction the whole time and never experiencing the die-off plateauing and then decreasing.. and using a small amount of caprylic acid per day for the past month and a half.. I'm leaning towards investigating if there is an underlying toxicity impeding my progress in getting rid of the candida issues as well as the leaky gut and food allergies

Sounds like a good plan!

This is the way to go. If you have candida.....its there for a reason....better off finding what that reason is then fighting an endless battle with the candida.

Another way to find a good Dr. might be through a biological dentist. A dentist who practices the safe removal of amalgams and is mercury-free will likely know of a good Dr. for diagnosing/treating mercury toxicity.

I agree.

the thing that I'm trying to figure out now, well, at least one thing I'm trying to figure out... is that if the root cause of my medical issues is an underlying toxicity, then why wouldn't I have been sicker through my high school to early college years?

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but I don't seem to have an adult pinpointable trigger like yourself or some others do... for all I know, my situation could be similar to many others with toxicity but most of what I've read about mercury talks either about kids with autism or people with fillings...

I don't have an answer for you. I always had digestive issues, even as a baby, and had eczema (caused by wheat) too as a baby, but my teen years were relatively healthy. Rarely had colds, etc., even after having all 11 amalgams put in during the early teen years. It wasn't until I started having to have all of them redrilled, PLUS extreme stress of lots of family deaths, surgery, etc. that I really started going downhill healthwise. So, maybe it's just the synergistic thing...one too many things piled on top of the others...dunno really, just a thought.

[Rachel--24]

I forget whether that is the binder or whether it just flushes mercury out of hiding.

Rachel?

Chlorella binds with mercury and gets it out through the stool. It basically coats the gut and binds with any metals which come to the gut by one of chelators....usually DMPS. Once the metals get to the gut the chlorella pretty much "escorts" them out. It doesnt actually go into the tissue or the brain and mobilize mercury though.

This is what is suppossed to be different about the chlorella in NDF....its broken down into tiny microscopic particles which can pass through the gut and bind with mercury in other areas of the body.

The cilantro in NDF mobilizes the mercury so that it can then bind with the chlorella. Since its broken down into the tiny particles it doesnt get excreted through stool.....instead the pathway for excretion is urine.

This is for Mango:

Caution: About 30% of people cannot tolerate chlorella. If at anytime one develops nausea or starts "burping up" the chlorella taste, then the chlorella should be stopped immediately as a food sensitivity is developing that will only worsen if you continue taking it.

Just in case it starts bothering you....I also read that alot of people get digestive issues from it.

[Rachel--24]

Well...I dont think the NDF has even touched any mercury in me yet...

Check this out

NDF will bind to the first toxins it meets on its pathways into the system until its dose related binding capacity is used up. As seen in the case history from Dr. Marcial-Vega on FG, dated 10/4/200, it seems to have bound and dissolved plaque and mycotoxins (relieving symptoms of high blood pressure, angina, and foul odor) first before going after the heavy metals. Similar experiences have been noted with chlorine, organochlorides, petrochemicals, mycotoxins, neurotoxins, and pharmaceutical drugs. Sublingual targets the blood first, mixed in liquid targets the GI tract first, dilute rectal implant targets lower abdominal area (inc. prostate & ovaries) first, atomized supernatant (centrifuge first): lungs, sinus and blood first, topical in poultice targets local area first. From laboratory testing NDF is known to cause the excretion of all heavy metals.

Methods of Action & Multiple Toxin Binding Capabilities: Discussion

The primary chelating activity of NDF is achieved because the cell wall of chlorella is a mucopolyssacharide ion exchange resin. NDF is a more efficient chelator than normal chlorella because the 'nanolyse' technology used to break down the cell wall into tiny fragments dramatically increases the available surface area of the cell walls. It is further ionized by a special process that fortifies its electro negative charge. After the alcohol preservative and delivery system (positive charge) are metabolized off, the remaining chlorella is an anionic ion exchange resin (similar mechanism to cholestyramine, known to bind to neurotoxins ). Free radicals have a positive charge. NDF will then bind to the first positively charged molecules it meets on its way into the system, and stop binding as soon as its negative charge is spent.

This mechanism does not explain why it binds to methyl mercury , which has no valence, the answer to which lies in its secondary peptidyl glucan mediated chelating ability. This may explain why some metals are occasionally eliminated via the bowel.

NDF and chlorella, one of NDF's ingredients, are proven to bind to chlorine and Dioxin (organochloride) respectively. Clinical evidence also points to NDF binding to neurotoxins, mycotoxins, exotoxins, petrochemicals, pesticide residue, certain pharmaceutical drugs, and plaque.

These toxins are not necessarily tightly bound into enzyme systems like the heavy metals that displace and replace zinc and copper. Therefore, depending on the nature of the patients' total heavy metal and chemical toxic body burden, it may take some time for the NDF to reach the heavy metals. Since we do not typically test for the presence of these other toxins during a heavy metal challenge, their passage remains unknown, and this explains why the patients report symptomatic improvements while taking NDF, yet no metals are seen in the urine (yet). Patients who use NDF as the provocative agent for a heavy metal challenge test may therefore score a false negative if the NDF is binding to and being used up by other more available toxins in their system first.

So...I'm assuming that since I'm only taking 1/2 drop. Its not actually picking up the metals yet. Its such a small dose I think it would have already reached its capacity as soon as I swallow it... with all the other toxins inside me.

I wont be using NDF as the provactive agent for my challenge test....it'll be DMPS that we use for all the challenge tests...so that will be accurate as far as the metals released.