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Lyme Info

Lyme disease is EVERYWHERE, please excuse me for shouting. :ph34r::lol: There is a popular fiction that it was "discovered" in Lyme, CT back in 1972. This is not true, it was identified in Europe in the 1880's.

There is a fascinating story to Lyme. It is intimately connected to the rise of the sugar trade and the shift from preserving our foods with salt to preserving our foods with sugar. We changed our bodies, we changed our basic chemistry from a naturally inhospitable place for bad bacteria to a come on in and party down place. :lol: It makes me think of Easter Island, it makes me understand how it is great civilizations have come and gone.

These bugs are smart, way smarter than the idiots who seemed to be in charge of what passes for medicine nowadays, way smarter than antibiotics. They lower people's body temperature, they are a bacteria that flourish in the cold, and so once Lyme is running the show you are cold all the time.

I wanted to share that I am the proud aunt to Katherine (Katie) Ann, born today at 12:28 pm, to my older brother and his wife (they have a 2.5 year old girl). She is 8 lbs 6 oz and 20 inches long and everyone is doing well! I got a phone message with a picture of her and they called and I got to hear her cry in the background.

SWEET BABY!

That's wonderful.

Getting sick doesn't sound like so much fun though. :(

Donna, thinking of you. I have to have an old filling out, I know I need to do it soon but I just have to work myself up to it. I hope today goes well for you. :)

Hope everyone is doing well today. I'm feeling so much better with the salt/vitamin C that I got out a bit today! Thank you for telling us about that Rinne.

I'm just very glad that it is working for you. It is a different world when we step outside of what we are given permission to think. We are absolutely programmed to believe salt is bad. It is a lie, yes the salt that is stripped of minerals and the iodine added in is bad for us but good salt is good for us. It restored my energy, returned my blood pressure to normal and gave me my feistiness and humor back. I love salt. :lol:

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Donna, yes to good and bad. :lol:

if you eliminate sugar are you less likely to get diseaes and viruses such as lymes?

I don't know that it is that straightforward if our systems are already compromised, as in: we weren't breast fed; received vaccinations; exposed to toxic chemical in food and environment; mercury in our fillings; smoked; you can see where I am going with this. :lol: Basically all of us.

I think of this illness as a journey to true wellness and a deeper understanding of what that means in my life and for sure it means real change. The doctor I am seeing says that if your aren't prepared to change your diet and lifestyle radically, throw out the microwave and fast food, then you are wasting your time with him. I think that is just the beginning, then we have to learn how to let go of negative habits and relationships that keep us locked into a lack of ease in our lives and that lack of ease leaving us reaching for the very things that keep us from ease.

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I agree with your doctor, Rinne! I think we need to go back to seeing sugar as a treat and eat a small treat once in a while. Everyone seems to think a gigantic Coke is fine ... sugary snacks on a daily basis ... fast food is a way of life, etc. Remember when we were kids and the medium Coke at McDonalds was the largest size available and there were no refills? Remember when all restaurants served water and if you ordered a soft drink it was small and you had to pay for a second? Getting away from that has hurt us.

I almost tend to think that people like Rinne and I who have been eating "healthy" for years are probably grossly salt deficient ... our culture in general probably gets too much salt (and "bad" salt at that, just like it gets too much "bad" fat yet is "good" fat deficient), not as a result of salting their food, but as a result of too much garbage ... so people like us have learned to not salt our food, but don't get salt from other places. So, ironically enough, we end up sick! Not that those into junk food don't get sick ... I'm just rambling ... but it's no surprise that I'm salt deficient.

Makes me think, if it's not Lyme disease, could it just be some other bacteria that has found my body to be cool and salt-free enough to take up residence? :lol:

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I agree with your doctor, Rinne! I think we need to go back to seeing sugar as a treat and eat a small treat once in a while. Everyone seems to think a gigantic Coke is fine ... sugary snacks on a daily basis ... fast food is a way of life, etc. Remember when we were kids and the medium Coke at McDonalds was the largest size available and there were no refills? Remember when all restaurants served water and if you ordered a soft drink it was small and you had to pay for a second? Getting away from that has hurt us.

I almost tend to think that people like Rinne and I who have been eating "healthy" for years are probably grossly salt deficient ... our culture in general probably gets too much salt (and "bad" salt at that, just like it gets too much "bad" fat yet is "good" fat deficient), not as a result of salting their food, but as a result of too much garbage ... so people like us have learned to not salt our food, but don't get salt from other places. So, ironically enough, we end up sick! Not that those into junk food don't get sick ... I'm just rambling ... but it's no surprise that I'm salt deficient.

Makes me think, if it's not Lyme disease, could it just be some other bacteria that has found my body to be cool and salt-free enough to take up residence? :lol:

Interesting thoughts Carla. I don't know if I was salt deficient because I was a big salt eater, I craved salt and ate as much as I wanted but it was sea salt and I am wondering if I was deficient in minerals. The Himalayan salt is loaded with minerals as is the REAL SALT (brand name). I suspect that everyone is deficient in minerals because conventional farm fields are depleted of minerals and the artifical fertilizers don't provide them. Also, without minerals you cannot process vitamins.

No doubt your body is cool. B):lol:

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No doubt your body is cool. B):lol:

:lol::lol: I meant temperature-wise!! :lol::lol: But I'm pretty cool, too! B) My body temp has actually gone up lately. It's made my nfp charts very hard to analyze!!! :blink:

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Interesting thoughts Carla. I don't know if I was salt deficient because I was a big salt eater, I craved salt and ate as much as I wanted but it was sea salt and I am wondering if I was deficient in minerals. The Himalayan salt is loaded with minerals as is the REAL SALT (brand name). I suspect that everyone is deficient in minerals because conventional farm fields are depleted of minerals and the artifical fertilizers don't provide them. Also, without minerals you cannot process vitamins.

DITTO!! I too am a HUGE salt eater--salt everything, and do crave it sometimes, but up until a year or two ago it was regular table salt like Morton's. Now, I'm using Celtic Sea Salt (brand name) at work, and regular sea salt from Whole Foods at home...hum, wonder if the regular sea salt has minerals. The Celtic Sea Salt does say it has "Vital Minerals and Exquisite Taste", lol.

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Donna, I think sea salt is a better alternative to Norton's, especially if it has, "Vital Minerals and Exquisite Taste". :lol: I'm big on exquisite. :lol: I think that on the salt/c protocol though it is best to use salt that is not potentially contaminated by our ocean waters. I have been taking 9 grams, 2 teaspoons of salt, a day for 6 weeks and am now on a reduced amount for a two week period, just 1/2 teaspoon a day. This is part of the Klinghardt protocol and since I was starting the Samento I wanted to just take it and see if I felt some difference.

Also.

On the Yahoo site connected to Lyme Strategies there was a discussion about taking the salt/c with Samento and Marc who runs the salt/c show there said that he saw no problem with it but to be aware that the salt/c has the potential of making the Samento stronger and to be careful about that.

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Me and my bright ideas....now I gotta fix this w/out letting the doc know I tricked her. :ph34r:

Rachel...just tell your doctor you FORGOT your dosage.... :lol: and then no worry of her finding out the chicanery you've been involved in. ;)

Rinne....excellent scientificness about the increase in Lyme w/ respect to sugar.....I never knew. But, I need some scientificness on Himalayan salt and Vitamin C. Is this mainly used to create an environment unfriendly to bugs in our bodies? I am just wondering if there's any reason I could benefit from it....and if so where do I get Himalayan salt? :)

Laura - congratulations on being an Auntie again!

Evie.....where is she.....I think she must be in the hospital....we must all pray hard for her.

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Rinne....excellent scientificness about the increase in Lyme w/ respect to sugar.....I never knew. But, I need some scientificness on Himalayan salt and Vitamin C. Is this mainly used to create an environment unfriendly to bugs in our bodies? I am just wondering if there's any reason I could benefit from it....and if so where do I get Himalayan salt? :)

That's it Dingo Girl, by consuming salt we change our bodies and the bugs run for it. The Lyme Strategies web site has all sorts of disgusting photos of bugs that have left people's bodies, they were photographed with special cameras because they are tiny but they come out of people's skin and ears and eyes. Lyme likes eyes and eye problems are common.

This summer my eyes began to feel "funny" a vague sense of pressure, nothing major but some blurred vision occasionally. Since I have started the salt/c the "funny" feeling is gone.

I buy the Jevatee brand at a health food store.

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This summer my eyes began to feel "funny" a vague sense of pressure, nothing major but some blurred vision occasionally. Since I have started the salt/c the "funny" feeling is gone.

Is that before the salt/vitamin C? I get blurred vision occasionally, like there is a film on my eyes. I also wake up with gunk in my eyes.

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Is that before the salt/vitamin C? I get blurred vision occasionally, like there is a film on my eyes. I also wake up with gunk in my eyes.

My eyes have improved since I started taking the salt/c and the "film on my eyes" is a good way of

describing it.

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The Celtic Sea Salt does say it has "Vital Minerals and Exquisite Taste", lol.

:lol: Donna

A word on sugar, it feeds all the beasties. Pathogens of all sorts, bacterias, viruses, yeasts, molds, fungi, parasites, even cancers. One of my naturopaths had always told me when you eat sugar you are feeding them, and then after they have had a meal on you they deposit their metabolic byproducts in our system, which is pretty toxic stuff.

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:lol: Donna

A word on sugar, it feeds all the beasties. Pathogens of all sorts, bacterias, viruses, yeasts, molds, fungi, parasites, even cancers. One of my naturopaths had always told me when you eat sugar you are feeding them, and then after they have had a meal on you they deposit their metabolic byproducts in our system, which is pretty toxic stuff.

<_< Just how much sugar, like if I had a Tablespoon :blink: that's not as bad as 4 Tablespoons :ph34r: okay, I have some happy bacteria going on. Friends came for lunch and I made treats and then I did what comes naturally to me, I ate treats. :lol: I think I am only really beginning to get how disciplined I am going to have to be. <_<

So, given I ate the treats Julie do you think it would be helpful to take another dose of Noni? It is the anti-oxident I am taking for the Lyme.

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Ewwwwwwww I looked at the bugs on that website. Fascinating.....But it made me wonder.....what are the acceptable flora/fauna in our digestive systems, and were any of these organisms to be normally expected in the body? (answers, anyone?) I did five seconds of research.....and found this, from Nobel Intent website:

"In an open access article at PNAS, researchers have looked at the biodiversity of the bacteria that live in the stomach of humans. They focused specifically on Helicobacter pylori, the bacteria that lead to ulcers, but cast their net quite widely. After sequencing over 1,800 individual samples from 23 people, they saw that the gut is home to more types of bacteria than expected (8 different phyla were found), including a few that had never been previously seen there. Intriguingly, different people seem to have different gut populations, suggesting that individual variation can alter the biodiversity there. It also appears that the stomach is a distinct environment relative to the mouth and esophagus.

From the disease perspective, it looks like Helicobacter pylori was the most common type of bacteria present in those individuals who had previously tested positive for it. But it is more widespread than previously thought, showing up at low levels in seven people who had not tested positive. It also looks like there is less bacterial diversity in the stomachs of those with high levels Helicobacter pylori. These findings reinforce the concept that it's the levels of the disease-causing bacteria relative to its harmless companions that's important, rather than its presence or absence."

In this study they were specifically looking for H. pylori, but they seem to imply that it's NORMAL to have all these other bacteria in the stomach...... :o when most likely these are HARMFUL bacteria.....and icky worms and stuff that shouldn't be there..... :huh:

:blink:

I am going to get some Himalayan salt toute suite!

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:lol: Donna

A word on sugar, it feeds all the beasties. Pathogens of all sorts, bacterias, viruses, yeasts, molds, fungi, parasites, even cancers. One of my naturopaths had always told me when you eat sugar you are feeding them, and then after they have had a meal on you they deposit their metabolic byproducts in our system, which is pretty toxic stuff.

Well that's enough to make me put that extra apple down, lol. :lol: I'm on day 10 with NO sugar...but, I have been eating some fruit at each meal. I may have to cut that down too just for a while. The last thing I need is feeding a bunch of hungry bugs during the amalgam removal.

Oh, and on the Pectasol...I was spelling it wrong, lol...it's PectAsol....no wonder when I searched for pectosol, I got a bunch of Russian looking websites, lol. This stuff is HUGELY expensive, so I've been trying to find a less expensive online version, but looks like HN gave me a pretty good price.

Rinne, what is Dr. Hoffman's first name...I came across a Dr. Hoffman's website during the search on pectasol, but didn't seem Lyme mentioned anywhere so don't think it's the same guy.

Oh and I have strange things happening with my eyes too! Very blurry to the point where I can't read anything without reading glasses and sometimes can't focus up close, like for beading and things...so need them there too. I also get the feeling sometimes that there is "gunk" in my eyes, but there isn't really anything there--it doesn't burn or anything just feels like there's something there and my eyes water and water until tears come down. I also sometimes get a sharp severe pain in one spot in one eye. It's not a general pain, but very localized to a small spot.

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<--------- this is what I found when I got home last night..... :lol::lol::lol: for a split second I thought, would it be so difficult to have THREE dogs? :huh::lol:

That is one cute dingo bat dog! :lol:

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Rinne, I think the key is remembering what a treat is -- keep it small and for special times.

:ph34r: I know, today was special. :) I had two friends for lunch that I haven't seen in a while and they each have new babies. It was great fun.

<--------- this is what I found when I got home last night..... :lol::lol::lol: for a split second I thought, would it be so difficult to have THREE dogs? :huh::lol:

That is one very cute dog.

His name is Bruce Hoffman, he can be found at The Hoffman Centre for Integrative Medicine

Rachel, one of the things I forgot to mention last night was that during Hoffman's Seminar on the Seven Levels of Healing he emphasizes the need to create a team around you that communicate with each other so that all the healing modalities you are using are maximized. It sounds like seeing the doctor that works with Klinghardt would be a good plan.

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Oh and I have strange things happening with my eyes too! Very blurry to the point where I can't read anything without reading glasses and sometimes can't focus up close, like for beading and things...so need them there too.

My blurring was a temporary thing, my glasses wouldn't help. I have to splash water on my face and blink my eyes a lot to get it to go away. It's like a film.

I think that only seeing things far away is just what happens over 40 :blink: I have that, too, but it's not what I was talking about.

Susan, very cute dog.

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Susie Q, what's with the dingos? Do they flock to you, or do you flock to them? :lol::lol: He is cute, it is a "he", right? Love the ears :wub:. Hope he gets sent to a good home :)

The sugar thing, I don't have it fresh in my mind, but we are only designed to handle like a couple tsp. a day of sugar (I think I read that in my adrenal fatigue literature). That is a healthy body. I'm not sure if fruit is counted, or other starchy carbs, because those have all they need in them to be utilized by the body, like fiber, vitamins, minerals, etc. So our food supply is way overdoing the sugar, WAY overdoing it- with everything so overprocessed and full of refined sugars and chemicals (but I dont need to tell you guys that :lol: ).

I was just talking to a chiropractic friend the other day and she mentioned sugar is just killing all of us, healthy or unhealthy. When we are unhealthy and illness has set in it just becomes another story. Our bowel flora is all upset/topsy-turvey and our immune systems are burdened (deficient and/or overactive), sugar is definitely more of a problem.

But I agree with Carla, I'm all for moderation :D

I know I can't eat it daily. I try to get away with it more than I should, but it's just so hard. My goal is to curb it to once every couple of weeks and special ocasions.

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OMG Julie, the dingos always find me.....we call it the Yellow Dog Vortex - - in Monterey, I had a fenced front yard with a big wooden gate. One day, IN MY FRONT YARD was a crazy little dingo/chihuaha thing.....with the biggest ears you've ever seen. :lol::lol:

I don't know what it is...... :blink:

I LIVED on sugar all through junior high/high school, was unbelievably tired - used to sleep about two hours every afternoon or early evening. :ph34r: So sad, I could live on it still.....I miss my huge amounts of candy/cookies/ice cream/treats/junk/pop tarts/tons of candy......oh how I miss it. *sniff* I do eat small amounts but infrequently - haven't had nuggets since halloween......hey, that's a week! :rolleyes:

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