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Holy PuddingPops Rachel!!

You've been working at a South Bay Safeway all this time??!!?? :blinks:

I *thought* I recognized u!!!

:lol::lol: I'm not at Midtown Safeway. :P

I used to shop at Blossom Hill/Snell Safeway when I lived out there.

I lived out there in S. San Jose for awhile and then over by Winchester/Hamilton.

If I knew where your Safeway is, I bet I could easily name one of the 3 closest decent bars!!!!!!

Theres a gazzillion Safeways in the Bay Area....I cant give ALL the info. out...after all...we *are* online. ;)

I didnt frequent the downtown clubs. Went to San Jose Live once...I think Toons, a few others...I didnt care much for those clubs.

I usually went clubbing in the city (S.F.) and I had a few favorite hang-outs close to home...but No....not the meat-markets downtown. I couldn't stand those clubs. EEEEK.

All this time I thought u were Manteca & Phrez-gno and now I have no idea why!!!

Me either.....I dont even think I've ever been over to Phrez-gno?? :unsure:

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I would have to agree ... I think it's more likely that celiac masks other intolerances ... and you don't notice until going gluten-free.

That wouldn't explain Jin's example ... so obviously this isn't the way it works for everyone.

Seems just about anything can happen across this multi-dimensional spectrum of situationally-dependent experiences & effects.

In my own case, I'm sure soy is a leaky-gut induced tolerance (we all know that methodology right?), because I very rarely touched anything soy.

The exceptions would be the regular but far from daily consumption of asian food's soy sauce.

And the awesome time in Seoul when out for drinks w/ the local engrs, they, as is the tradition, ordered plenty of food to have while drinking. I swear over there NOBODY goes out for drinks w/out also having food on the table/bar.

Anyway, tho they also ordered a basket of fries for 'round eye' (do I get in trouble for that? :blink: ) it was the kimchi/tofu plate that I was all over! Wow spectacular!

(Aaaaaaaa Ellie Krieger on FoodNetwork! Such a constant & genuine smile!)

<taaaaaaan-gennnnnnnnnts>

Where was I? Oh yeah I didn't start having anything beyond minimal soy until going dairy-free a few months after going gluten-free.

So, in MY case anyway, I'm sure it was induced and subsequently a constant problem for 2-3 yrs, tho early on masked by other stuff.

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Seems just about anything can happen across this multi-dimensional spectrum of situationally-dependent experiences & effects.

:blink: Seriously, how can you talk like that when I'm herxing and expect me to understand??? :lol:

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I didnt frequent the downtown clubs. Went to San Jose Live once...I think Toons, a few others...I didnt care much for those clubs.

I usually went clubbing in the city (S.F.) and I had a few favorite hang-outs close to home...but No....not the meat-markets downtown. I couldn't stand those clubs. EEEEK.

Ahh SJLive - short-lived but worthy of a co-worker get-together.

When Toons had bands I'd go there. Or on 50cent draft Tuesdays.

I didn't do the meatmarket scene downtown. But early 90s were awesome for live bands. Nirvana once played the Cactus Club! And I tried to get in there for Alanis Morissette, but too sold out so just listened from the sidewalk. FYI non-SJers, it's a basic little bar. Pool tables just 8-10 steps from the stage. Maybe Big Steps, but still!! :lol:

And great comfortable pubs like Gordon Biersch patio and . . . .grrr.......the Irish-woman named pub barely attached to, on the north side, the Pavilion bldg where SJLive was. Katie Bloom's!!!!

And the original Eulipia!

I'd do The City some too of course but hated the drive back. There *was* a stretch where a cousin w/ apt out Geary & 29th told me "make your own key, think of it as *your* apt. I'm always at Matt's anyway". So that eliminated the night drive back. Then they got married (Stern Grove! Very nice!), moved to Portland and had kids.

Oops off I went again!!!! :lol:

P,S, and hey everyone come ON!! I get nothin on the pages-back (1st post-forum-shutdown post) mention of dingo/dongo difference ~10 WIRDS per minute???? REALly???

Should I have gone w/ the alternate

"I think the difference betw dingo & dongo is the diff betw 80 vs 70 wirds per minute" ?

Not a mention at all - after all the cracking up I did writing it. C'mon!!! I'm begging now ferpetessake!! :lol::lol:

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HA yeah like I tell my family histerically, don't go in the bathroom, don't go in the bathroom. I just took a dumpe and the smell may be toxic with my toxic bombs. THey are like scared and say, "Nnnnooooo for real?"

I think our poops should be called warheads.

Gyah!!! I wouldve been fine not being reminded of this. There were times :ph34r: , no exaggeration whatsoever, that it would burn my OWN eyes and make them water. Ugggggg in such a hurry to get the hell outta there!!

And almost puke, of course.

<set sarcasm to stun> ya GREAT thx a LOT Lisa!!!!

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Sorry Andrea to hear you are in such pain! Why is your arm hurting so much? Did you hurt it or is it nerve?

Oh man I need to sleep almost up for 24 hours. I hate sleeping because I always feel worse in the morning with abdomen bubbles, pain, moving spasms. eeeekk. hope no diarrhea manana. Watching Metallica and falling asleep typing. Good night or morning all.

Good night miamia

lisa

I thought i was the only one who stayed up all night because in the morning I feel so bad. Like you stomach trouble and pain almost over, but always feel better in late afternoon or evening.

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ake me laugh. :)

!!

Alison - - you have GOT to post your copycat recipe!!! We do not have Kroeger's OR skyline Chili here. Harrumph.

Copycat recipe posted under the gluten-free recipes section!

I should mention that a meal of Skyline Chili (aka "Cincinnati Chili") MUST be followed by a dessert of chocolate chocolate chip ice cream (preferably made by Graeter's, but any high-fat version is acceptable).

Dang, I'm hungry again.... :o

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I had a prolotherapy injection yesterday. Prolotherapy is an injection of sugar water, B12 and lidocaine. They inject that into the muscle at the insertion point (DOWN TO THE BONE!!)...the idea is to cause inflammation which causes blood to rush to the area which is supposed to strenghten that muscle at the insertion point at the bone. I've been having them in my neck, shoulders and elbows for a few months now...this was my last one and by far the most painful! The bad part is that because they WANT the inflammation, I can't take Advil or anything like that...has to be something that WON'T take the inflammation down. I don't like, and actually really haven't had to take anything for the pain in any of my other sessions...she prescribed vicodin on my very first appointment but I never filled the prescription...I may have to dig that up, lol.

Thanks dear ones...hope you are better today too!

Not just you, lol.

Can you take Tylenol? For many people, it is just as effective as the "Big Guns" painkillers. Honestly, for me it is way more effective than Percoset--and with no side effects. I rather suspect that the addictive "Big Guns" painkillers exist not because they are any better than the over-the-counter products but because they mean more $ for the pharmaceutical companies.

I also like something called, "Tiger Balm," which the orthopedist says does zilch, but the physical therapist says that the patients she sees who use it get better.

Heat will speed blood flow without increasing pain (might even make it feel better)--can you go to a health club that has a whirlpool? Or maybe just a nice, hot bath with bubbles?

Sorry I missed it, but what is going on with your shoulder? Is it a joint inflammation thing, or a rotator cuff tear, or what? After the last 18 months, I am starting to feel almost like an expert on shoulder problems (albeit unwillingly).

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OKay, typing really hurts, so these will be shorter than normal. :P

I HATE these stupid tests, lol. I normally have diarrhea, but as soon as it's time for one of these stupid tests, suddenly I have C!!! Happens every time. :lol:

I've heard this before too.

:lol:

I had a prolotherapy injection yesterday. Prolotherapy is an injection of sugar water, B12 and lidocaine. They inject that into the muscle at the insertion point (DOWN TO THE BONE!!)...the idea is to cause inflammation which causes blood to rush to the area which is supposed to strenghten that muscle at the insertion point at the bone. I've been having them in my neck, shoulders and elbows for a few months now...this was my last one and by far the most painful! The bad part is that because they WANT the inflammation, I can't take Advil or anything like that...has to be something that WON'T take the inflammation down. I don't like, and actually really haven't had to take anything for the pain in any of my other sessions...she prescribed vicodin on my very first appointment but I never filled the prescription...I may have to dig that up, lol.

Thanks dear ones...hope you are better today too!

Not just you, lol.

donna- Yes to the painkiller because viocodin and those kinds do NOT reduce inflammation. They just kill pain. You poor thing!

OK, with dingoing and dongoing......I can't help it but my mind goes straight to the gutter when i read dongo :ph34r:

And everytime someone is "popping" in to say hello, I keep waiting for someone to write they are pooping in to say hello :lol: :lol: More than likely it will end being me after being moldened by pb.

wait- Rachel- I'm glad last night was OK except for the evil bug butu wasn't there a party which involved potentially toxic conversation??? Oh no....am I dongoed? :huh: Sorry about the evil bug that is torturing you.

Carla- Ditto on Tom's post. Tom- you silly boy. Don't you know we're all brain dead here? :D

Barbara- You are NOT alone. I have trouble sleeping and feel much, much worse in the morning. Anytime before 9 is horrendous then it's a crap shoot. If I'm going to feel good, it doesn'y usually kick in until 1 or 2. Blech!

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:blink: Seriously, how can you talk like that when I'm herxing and expect me to understand??? :lol:

OMG--me too :lol: Except insert gluten fog for herx :P

I have to say it's nice to be back in the swing of things :D

Thanks for all the kind words everybody :wub: (

Oh Tom--believe it or not, I have no idea where they are hiding the gluten in the sunscreen I was using. The ingredients looked fine, but when I questioned them, I was told "there were wheat derived ingredients" in it. <_< The product is by Philosophy--great stuff, but I decided not to chance them anymore. Tocopherols (vitamin E) are in lots of their products (but interestingly, not that one :huh:) and that can easily be derived from wheat germ. I'm very leary of those ingredients.

Unless a customer service rep speaks with a chemist, they have no way of knowing if the E is from wheat, soy or any of the other ways they produce it. ;)

My new rule--I use nothing with tocopherol on the label. Stupid tocopherols :angry:

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Can you take Tylenol? For many people, it is just as effective as the "Big Guns" painkillers. Honestly, for me it is way more effective than Percoset--and with no side effects.

I agree--when I came home after my hysterectomy, I only used Extra Strength Tylenol. I was given a Rx for Percoset, but hated to take it due to the spacy side effects.

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Hi Lisa, just a quick comment on that, ALL foods lose some nutrition as molecular structure changes through cooking....but still maintain MOST of their nutritional value. (Tom? science on this please?)

Pseuuuuuuuuuuuu-ZeeeeeEEE!! (Oops reminds me of a potentially frowned-upon-similarity to the U of Arkansas war cry!!)

:):P:lol:

Holy Crap! (Sainted Scat? Deitous Doodoo? Worshipful Warheads Lisa? Reverent Excrement? <ya ok I'll own up to thesaurusizing the last 2, but it's rare to need to these days>) it took me forever to find this post again!!! :):o

Kept bumping into other comment-worthy posts!! Or at least irresistible in *this* posting-addicted mind.

Ya, unless u want to Rocky some raw eggs, u won't do better than cooking them solo. (Carla!! How far from Lebanon PA to the Rocky steps??)

I can't really think of a cooking method for eggs where I'd expect much loss of nutrients. Can they sneak thru the shell during boiling? No idea of the relative permeability there.

I never took any classes in Food Science (btw I love their "mouth feel" term), but I gotta ask "where's the nutrition go?".

It's easy to see that boiled vegs will lose some into the water. But I'd theorize that if u captured & condensed the steam, and added it back to the water, and somehow could handle drinking that water (safety first! Let it cool!!! lmao :lol: ) the net loss of nutrients would be negligible.

Steamed vegs should lose less than boiled in this theory, and I'm sure I've heard that said. (Less contact w/ fluid that can carry away anything)

I could go on w/ points I'm not so sure of, but daaayyum I been typing a lot.

I bet our resident chef could chime on.

Rinne?

Re: SJ flight - once the SJ lunkheads I know get around to waking up, I hope to decide on which day in the near future they'll be picking me up in Terminal A.

Somebody I know told me recently to get on w/ gettin out in the world and take advantage of my soy-free existence, but it took a couple days to sink in. It was good advice.

One works for Fry's Electronics in a role that has him flying around the country 3 wks/mo, so the freq flier miles add up quick(ly). They've been begging me to come back since they arrived a measly 5 mos after I left. Friends for 10 yrs, them in Vegas, I used to throw an LV overnight stop in on SJ->Phx flights to visit mom.

And I SO want out of Phx before it's 118 again. (Damn shade - where the hell IS this shade where it's only whatever the hell # they say it is!!??)

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I usually went clubbing in the city (S.F.) and I had a few favorite hang-outs close to home...but No....not the meat-markets downtown. I couldn't stand those clubs. EEEEK.

Me either.....I dont even think I've ever been over to Phrez-gno?? :unsure:

I always liked North Beach. I lived in the Haight for a time and found clubs there to go to. I loved those years and what a fabulous city it is. I was there a few years ago and found it just as magical as I had in my twenties.

:blink: Seriously, how can you talk like that when I'm herxing and expect me to understand??? :lol:

:lol:

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Oops off I went again!!!! :lol:

P,S, and hey everyone come ON!! I get nothin on the pages-back (1st post-forum-shutdown post) mention of dingo/dongo difference ~10 WIRDS per minute???? REALly???

Should I have gone w/ the alternate

"I think the difference betw dingo & dongo is the diff betw 80 vs 70 wirds per minute" ?

Not a mention at all - after all the cracking up I did writing it. C'mon!!! I'm begging now ferpetessake!! :lol::lol:

And the meaning of dongo'ing is? :P:lol::lol:

Barbara, you'll find if you hang around for a while that we have lots in common in Rachelville. :)

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Tom- you silly boy. Don't you know we're all brain dead here? :D

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Precisely. :lol:

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My new rule--I use nothing with tocopherol on the label. Stupid tocopherols :angry:

Glad you figured it out. :)

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Somethings been buzzing around my head....it woke me up again early this morning but then nothing. Soon as I wake up the buzzing is gone and I never *see* the culprit. <_<

My mom was saying maybe I'm goin coo-coo. :rolleyes:

Then I was sitting on the bed talking to her about it and the dang thing buzzed past my ears so I jumped out of bed....and still the thing vanished into thin air....making me look like I AM really losing it!! :blink:

Stupid bug! :angry:

I dont know if the thing thats buzzing around my head at night...and waking me up is the same thing thats also been biting me....but I think it must be because they started at the same time. <_<

:lol::lol:

This made me laugh (although obviously I don't have the same fears as you Rachel of being 'bitten' )

This seems to happen to me all the time!!!

The damn bug wakes me up buzzing round my ear + then I wake up covered in bites <_<

Hubby says he doesn't hear the bug + says I'm going mad :blink: (but it always seems to wake me up at 3am :blink: -clearly the magical bug hour)

I tell him that I only get bitten as I'm 'sweet meat' to the bug :lol: ......but yeah.....why does no-one else hear it?????

:blink: Seriously, how can you talk like that when I'm herxing and expect me to understand??? :lol:

Stop reading after ''seems just about anything can happen with.........'' :lol::lol:

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I know they say microwaving damages the food...I know I'm not getting the same nutrition...but does it really lose ALL of its nutrition?? :unsure:

I say don't worry about that a bit.

Microwaving really might be more healthy than 80% of all methods and maybe healthiest/most innocuous of all.

Poaching is certainly a contender, imho.

Studies occasionally come out linking browning/carmelization (or it just the more extreme beyond browned meats on the grill?) presenting a carcinogenic chicken-little attitude, but unless that sausage is layers of black it reminds me of the mouse sick from the human equivalent of 100x a yearly quantity, but "consumed" in hrs.

(Remember the leading cause of death in lab rats?? Ya that's right - research)

Oops, all I REALLY meant to type was that all a microwave does is, due to careful choice of electromag freq, excite/agitate/wiggle the water molecules (only) to create friction which becomes heat.

My older brother couldn't get how it can cook "from the inside" yet still sometimes be cold way inside. Heheheheh

But it'd be awfully hard to find someone you'd rather be around in a post-nuke, survive by living off the land scenario. He could do what Redford does in the movie "Jeremiah Johnson". :) :) :)

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I thought i was the only one who stayed up all night because in the morning I feel so bad. Like you stomach trouble and pain almost over, but always feel better in late afternoon or evening.

Welcome, Barbara!

I should mention that a meal of Skyline Chili (aka "Cincinnati Chili") MUST be followed by a dessert of chocolate chocolate chip ice cream (preferably made by Graeter's, but any high-fat version is acceptable).

Dang, I'm hungry again.... :o

I prefer either the raspberry chocolate chips (these chips are soft guys ... and they are random sizes because of the way they're made), or toffee chip ... the peanut butter chocolate chip is good, too.

(Carla!! How far from Lebanon PA to the Rocky steps??)

I would have no idea, I live near Lebanon, OH!!

Now I know why I can't follow you in my fogged mind ... you are more incoherent than I!!! :lol: Did you eat some gluten????

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Um, is this level of pain really considered normal?

Um, nope, don't think so. :lol: Somewhere around here I have the doctor's cell phone number...probably in the same place as the prescription for vicodin which I never did find. :lol: She gave it to me after she hit a nerve in my elbow two times ago. :lol: Even THAT wasn't as bad as this...I just couldn't move my hand for 30 minutes...no biggy. :P

I'm not much of an LLRR (LymeLiterateR'villeResident), but there's no doubt in my mind that Candida physiologically neurochemically creates cravings. I don't have links to my trusted sources, but don't think it's anywhere near a controversy in the books etc.

Yeah, just add the candida nightmare to the lyme nightmare and stir in a little mold toxicity and see what you get. Oh yeah, you get Rachel or Donna and maybe Lisa, Mia, Tom...! :lol:

Donna...that sounds really bad.

I'm sorry you've been in so much pain...I hope your able to take something that relieves it...or that the whole thing just goes away real fast so you can enjoy your day.

{{{{{hugs}}}}}

Thanks...6 tylenol seem to have taken it down a notch. :P (By-the-way, not all taken at one time)

Donna...could have used your assistance last night but now I know you were out of commission.

Well, daaayannnggg, I was probably awake! :lol: Always on call for a bit of pest relocation! Course, with my arm, it would have been a bit harder to do, but I'm crafty, I could figure something out. Stupid bugs? Could it be a mosquito? I'm thinking on you a mosquito bite might be pretty heinous indeed.

Seems just about anything can happen across this multi-dimensional spectrum of situationally-dependent experiences & effects.

Say HUH?! :huh::lol: I can't read the tickle me elbow thread cuz I don't understand HALF of the words. :P

P,S, and hey everyone come ON!! I get nothin on the pages-back (1st post-forum-shutdown post) mention of dingo/dongo difference ~10 WIRDS per minute???? REALly???

Should I have gone w/ the alternate

"I think the difference betw dingo & dongo is the diff betw 80 vs 70 wirds per minute" ?

Not a mention at all - after all the cracking up I did writing it. C'mon!!! I'm begging now ferpetessake!!

Well I must have diongoed it cuz I know I read all posts this morning, but I plead severe pain...it was before the Tylenold kicked in and I barely remember this morning already.

I also like something called, "Tiger Balm," which the orthopedist says does zilch, but the physical therapist says that the patients she sees who use it get better.

Heat will speed blood flow without increasing pain (might even make it feel better)--can you go to a health club that has a whirlpool? Or maybe just a nice, hot bath with bubbles?

Yes, I have taken some Tylenol which has knocked it back enough for me to function, although I still cannot move my arm much....at least I can let it hang down at my side now...earlier I had to hold it with my right hand. And, yes to heat...they WANT me to use heat after the injections...went to bed with a heat pack and had a heating pad on it this morning. I bought some of those peel and stick heat thingies to try too. Hot epsom salt bath is coming after my 1 hour massage later.

The Tiger Galm reminds of of arnica gel...I have arnica gel and I may try a little of that on it.

And everytime someone is "popping" in to say hello, I keep waiting for someone to write they are pooping in to say hello. More than likely it will end being me after being moldened by pb.

:lol:

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Oh, and someone asked (sorry, I'm having a hard time focusing today...even quoting the stuff I want to answer I still diongoed stuff) why I was getting the injections...or at least I think someone did...who can remember...

Anyway, I have had really sore stiff neck, shoulders and elbows forEVER, and while I'm quite certain it is as bad as it is because of the lyme, the HN doctors thought that PT/Chiropractic would help....did a little, but then they wanted to try the prolotherapy (similar to trigger point injections but they inject a different solution into the "insertion point" instead of the trigger point") on me to see if that would help. I agreed to it after doing a bit of research.

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donna- Yes to the painkiller because viocodin and those kinds do NOT reduce inflammation. They just kill pain. You poor thing!

I thought Donna said that somehow the inflammation was a requirement (even induced?) part of the therapy. ????

Only choice left is non-anti-inflammatories.

And sometimes "just" killing the pain suited me just fine.

1st time, the scrip said "take 1 to 3, as necessary", so I inquisitively checked 3.

Now maybe it was the tequila, but WOW was I ever pain-free!!!!!! LOL

Yet somehow still came up w/ Trevi Fountain in the game of Trivia Pursuit and was even accused of reading all the cards in advance!!!!! Omg lmao - I only got it cuz I'd seen 'Roman Holiday' ! :)

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Yet somehow still came up w/ Trevi Fountain in the game of Trivia Pursuit and was even accused of reading all the cards in advance!!!!! Omg lmao - I only got it cuz I'd seen 'Roman Holiday' ! :)

Show off!!!! :rolleyes:

....yes....even in a drug fuelled haze Tom is smarter than most..... :lol:

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But honestly, this is the worst pain I have ever felt. On a scale between 0-10, this is probably 11. I can barely move my left arm at all. Showering is going to be interesting!

That's awful Donna! :( Since I've caught up I know you've managed to knock it down a step. Definately try and get that prescription filled and/or call you doctor.

- this saline stuff really messes me up, but at least i took it and it did its job and i don'thve to take anymore!!!!!

I hope the rest of your weekend goes better than you are expecting. :(

Hi Miamia :D I'm doing ok--I took a few days off (mostly) the computer. I just needed to keep to myself with all of the things that I've got going right now. I tend to get overwhelmed, and then it's just too much to get my thoughts together enough to post and join in the conversation.

Lots of things going on and easy to stress about everything. Do what's necessary to stay as relaxed and calm as possible.

I hope the glutening has about run it's course.

Ok everyone, Is it just me or has the site colour changed from blue to grey ..????

Yes, it's changed to gray. Supposed to be easier on the eyes but it will take a little getting used to the new color scheme.

I survived one day without almond butter but it wasn't easy. :angry::lol::(:lol: I see no difference. Harumph. :lol:

Yay on one day! Don't give up. :)

oh - was it the spinal xrays? still no word on taht......back is better today

I'll be waiting for updates on that. I have a 7 year old that would love to help paint. Don't know how good of a job she'd do though. :ph34r:

Something in my room/bed keeps coming to "get" me at night. I was scared to go to sleep. My mom wanted me to sleep on the couch because I have already have 3 bites and they dont look too good. :(

I think because I'm so toxic they are just not healing like they normally would and the swelling is bigger than normal.

Somethings been buzzing around my head....it woke me up again early this morning but then nothing. Soon as I wake up the buzzing is gone and I never *see* the culprit. <_<

I wouldn't be very comfortable with that either. :blink:

wait- Rachel- I'm glad last night was OK except for the evil bug butu wasn't there a party which involved potentially toxic conversation??? Oh no....am I dongoed? :huh: Sorry about the evil bug that is torturing you.

Potentially toxic conversation is today sometime.

Unless a customer service rep speaks with a chemist, they have no way of knowing if the E is from wheat, soy or any of the other ways they produce it. ;)

I didn't know that :blink: .....I thought they were mostly soy derived.

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I bet our resident chef could chime on.

Rinne?

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Sorry, I am more of a cook than a nutritionist. :ph34r:

Steaming is better than boiling, I know that much. And some foods are better nutritionally cooked than raw and some more so raw than cooked. :lol: I'm not a lot of help. :lol:

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Oops, all I REALLY meant to type was that all a microwave does is, due to careful choice of electromag freq, excite/agitate/wiggle the water molecules (only) to create friction which becomes heat.

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I respectfully disagree.

We've talked about microwaves before and I know that people have come to rely on the convenience of them but at what price?

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Hans Hertel is the first scientist to conceive of and carry out a quality study on the effects of microwaved nutrients on the blood and physiology of human beings. This small but well-controlled study pointed the firm finger at a degenerative force of microwave ovens and the food produced in them. The conclusion was clear: microwave cooking changed the nutrients so that changes took place in the participants' blood; these were not healthy changes but were changes that could cause deterioration in the human systems.

Check this site out for more information.

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Oh, and someone asked (sorry, I'm having a hard time focusing today...even quoting the stuff I want to answer I still diongoed stuff) why I was getting the injections...or at least I think someone did...who can remember...

Anyway, I have had really sore stiff neck, shoulders and elbows forEVER, and while I'm quite certain it is as bad as it is because of the lyme, the HN doctors thought that PT/Chiropractic would help....did a little, but then they wanted to try the prolotherapy (similar to trigger point injections but they inject a different solution into the "insertion point" instead of the trigger point") on me to see if that would help. I agreed to it after doing a bit of research.

That would be me!

Okay, this may have nothing to do with the cause of your pain, but just in case--

make sure you are not lifting your shoulders when you are doing things like putting dishes away in cabinets, playing the flute, reaching for things, etc.

You want your arm to be able to swing from the shoulder, but the shoulders themselves should not be hiking up towards your ears for long periods of time (say, more than 10 seconds). Even hiking them up half an inch can cause severe pain. (I know from experience--wish I didn't!)

Think of it this way: raise your shoulders as high up towards your ears as you can, and then let them FLOP as low and relaxed as they can go. That's where they should be most of the time. Yes, they will rise if you reach high, but you don't want them rising and staying there, or you will end up with inflamed tendons, and then some of the other muscles will react kind of in sympathy. The levator scapula goes from your shoulder up the back of your neck, and it can go into spasms just as a reaction to pain in the rotator cuff--and those spasms hurt more that the original rotator cuff pain!

It's a vicious circle. One thing hurts, you unconsciously use different muscles as a way of protecting it, then they hurt worse than the first thing, and pretty soon you can't get out of the pain circle, and everything in the area hurts! :(

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And some foods are better nutritionally cooked than raw and some more so raw than cooked. :lol:

See? I didn't know that! (Knew I'd wanna hear what Rville chef had.)

We've talked about microwaves before and I know that people have come to rely on the convenience of them but at what price?

Yikes I'd never heard of that guy. I'll be reading more thru the link. :ph34r:

And our Rinne lived in the Haight! Ahhhh plenty of good times there. Little cluster of pubs in Upper Haight for starters.

Mad Dog in the Fog! Aaaaargh the nutty curved-walls one, like a Flintstones thing, and a bunch of TVs on static as "art" rofl I'm soooooo close to the name. :huh:

<and heading west>

Saw some great bands at . . .was The Stone on Haight? The incomparable record store.

Wish I already knew what decade u lived there, Rinne!! :)

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P.S. I couldn't stop laughing for awhile at my dingo/dongo post.

So c'mon - w/ the typographical error genesis of "dongo" being a direct analog to spelling "wirds" w/ an "I" ? No one's amused?

Fine!!! :angry: no matter what they say about 'he who laughs alone", ya can't deny he has fun doing it!! :lol:

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We've talked about microwaves before and I know that people have come to rely on the convenience of them but at what price?

Thanks for that link Rinne. :D

I don't use a microwave anymore. We got rid of ours 2-4 years ago.....I forget.

It's good to have the info though. :)

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