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sandsurfgirl Collaborator
sandsurfgirl
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Today I'm sick as a dog. Nausea, vomiting, coughing, and feeling weak and tired. I feel like I got glutened but I'm pretty positive I did not.

I've seen other people post about this happening to them before and I have a theory. I have also seen people post about gluten being trapped in our bodies, in our intestines, and our brains. So my theory is that maybe gluten is lodged in places and when it gets released we get glutened again.

Is that silly? Or does it make sense? I've lost a few pounds and my husband said that maybe as I lose weight gluten is getting released like a toxin.

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kareng Grand Master
kareng
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Maybe you caught a virus or a touch of food poisoning? Its possible to eat the same dish as others & get the one part that has bacteria growing. Also, you (we) may be a bit more succeptable to these things or get hit harder by them. My MD doesn't seem to know much about celiac disease but he did think I should stay away from kids when a stomach virus is going around as it might hit me harder.

Whatever: Sorry you are not feeling good feeling s*&((y.

tictax707 Apprentice
tictax707
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I am so sorry to hear that you are sick!! This is a very interesting thought. It has happened to me before that I get sick as if I am getting gluten, but cannot trace any gluten anywhere (even after calling ALL manufacturers of anything I have eaten since I felt bad), and there were no colitis triggers. I'm in research, so my science brain is off to figure out whether or not this is medically feasible. Just wanted to send some quick sympathy first though. ;)

Gemini Experienced
Gemini
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Today I'm sick as a dog. Nausea, vomiting, coughing, and feeling weak and tired. I feel like I got glutened but I'm pretty positive I did not.

I've seen other people post about this happening to them before and I have a theory. I have also seen people post about gluten being trapped in our bodies, in our intestines, and our brains. So my theory is that maybe gluten is lodged in places and when it gets released we get glutened again.

Is that silly? Or does it make sense? I've lost a few pounds and my husband said that maybe as I lose weight gluten is getting released like a toxin.

One of the hardest things a newer Celiac has to remember is that not everything is caused by gluten. Sounds like a virus or maybe the flu but not gluten. If you have been gluten-free and follow the diet strictly, any trace amounts should vacate the property and not come back! :P

WheatChef Apprentice
WheatChef
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The average person gets salmonella poisoned a handful of times every year.

tictax707 Apprentice
tictax707
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Unfortunately I can't find much in the way of a definitive answer after wading through the literature, and now my break is over. Ultimately gluten would have to a) get past the gut via the leaky gut syndrome (a phenomenon that I am not sure is fully accepted), and 2) gluten has be to able to actually be taken up by the tissue. The biggest fraction of gluten is 130kDa, and I read that cells can take up proteins to 150kDa. However, I don't know whether or not this actually happens in the human body. Sorry I couldn't help prove/disprove the theory more. If I find out anything else I will post. Ultimately I guess all you can do is treat the symptoms best you can and rest up...

Stylo Rookie
Stylo
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I like your theory, though I'm not sure it is possible. I've heard that some drugs stay in your fat and if you lose weight they get re-released. I don't know if thats true, but I know someone who lost a lot of weight and had an acid flashback.

You could just be sick, I didn't think I had a gluten allergy for the past two years because I thought I was getting sick all the time and that was it. It feels the same to me, I quit smoking, lost weight, and couldn't stop being sick. Let's hope it's just the flu :)

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sandsurfgirl Collaborator
sandsurfgirl
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Unfortunately I can't find much in the way of a definitive answer after wading through the literature, and now my break is over. Ultimately gluten would have to a) get past the gut via the leaky gut syndrome (a phenomenon that I am not sure is fully accepted), and 2) gluten has be to able to actually be taken up by the tissue. The biggest fraction of gluten is 130kDa, and I read that cells can take up proteins to 150kDa. However, I don't know whether or not this actually happens in the human body. Sorry I couldn't help prove/disprove the theory more. If I find out anything else I will post. Ultimately I guess all you can do is treat the symptoms best you can and rest up...

Thanks for looking that up. How cool to be in research!

Gemini- "vacate the property" :lol::lol::lol::lol:

I feel like I have a virus or some food poisoning. I hope my theory is totally wrong because what a scary thought that it could do that. I guess there's always accidental glutening. My kids are not gluten free, but I'm very careful about crumbs, etc.

Whatever it is, it sucks!! lol

Lgood22573 Rookie
Lgood22573
Posted

I think it sounds like a virus or food poisoning as well. Hope you feel better really soon!

tictax707 Apprentice
tictax707
Posted

Yeah - hopefully this theory won't pan out!! I don't know why, but my spidey sense tells me that gluten probably can't hang around and hide and bite you randomly later. It does sound more like a virus of some sorts. You've been through a lot recently! You might be more suseptible to stuff than normal... Regardless, I hope it goes away pronto!

ravenwoodglass Mentor
ravenwoodglass
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It does sound to me also like you have picked up a virus.

Gluten would not stay in your system and it does not cross into the brain etc. What does happen is the antibodies flow through the system and that is what is technically causing a 'gluten reaction'. They do subside after we have been gluten-free for a bit but CC or an accidental glutening create a cascade of antibodies going again. The amount needed to trigger the antibodies can be as little as just a few part per million. It isn't the gluten flowing through our bodies but our bodies reaction to it that makes us ill.

Fozzie Newbie
Fozzie
Posted

I can relate to your situation. After 5 weeks on this diet I was feeling "Normal"( relatively) for about 5 days and then something happened after dinner on Tues. I think that the chicken was off as my husband had indigestion after eating it . As for myself the lymphocytic gastritis has been causing turmiol for 3 days (stinging and pain) and my gut is rolling again. I have been extremly careful about the food I have ingested over the past month and this is depressing! I don't think that gluten can hide in our bodies but rather because of the damage we have incurred to our GI system we may be more susceptable to other pathologies.

Question- Does anyone else have lymphocytic gastritis along with celiac?

JNBunnie1 Community Regular
JNBunnie1
Posted

Oddly enough, since I've been gluten-free I've had pretty much a cast-iron stomach when it comes to food poisoning. I've only gotten hit once, I'm able to clearly determine the difference between food reactions and food poisoning, fortunately for me, the symptoms are very different, I only puke with food posioning. I got the one incident of food poisoning because I was stupid, too, left chicken salad out too long and then ate it. I've taken some other risks and never got hit, even when my boyfriend did, isn't that weird? Well, we've already established I'm weird.... :)

GFinDC Veteran
GFinDC
Posted

Hmmm, is coughing one of your usual symptoms with a glutening? If it not, then it sounds like a bug in the tummy.

I don't think gluten can hide out inside us, although people with diverticulitis might think differently.

You might want to write down everything you ate the day before and keep that list. It might lead you to another food intolerance.

I've heard about chemicals being stored in fat, (from the infamous Dr. House of TV land).

Get better! :)

gabby Enthusiast
gabby
Posted

Hi,

There are lots of food recalls going on all the time...and it might be a good idea to check the FDA recall website once in a while to see if anything there effects you. They will list things being recalled due to undeclared allergens, undeclared gluten, undeclared other ingredients, or due to things like suspected salmonella, listeriosis, etc. There's one product listed from April 1, 2010 that is being recalled because of undeclared wheat and barley ingredients....

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Hope that helps!

GFLindsey Explorer
GFLindsey
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I can relate to your situation. After 5 weeks on this diet I was feeling "Normal"( relatively) for about 5 days and then something happened after dinner on Tues. I think that the chicken was off as my husband had indigestion after eating it . As for myself the lymphocytic gastritis has been causing turmiol for 3 days (stinging and pain) and my gut is rolling again. I have been extremly careful about the food I have ingested over the past month and this is depressing! I don't think that gluten can hide in our bodies but rather because of the damage we have incurred to our GI system we may be more susceptable to other pathologies.

Question- Does anyone else have lymphocytic gastritis along with celiac?

Fozzie -- I have been searching on here for someone else with lymphocytic gastritis! UGH. I have lots of questions for you! I am going to send you a PM.

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