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i would give my kids the food

or i would use the food as bait

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No. :angry:

Well, not on the West Coast anyway. April and May have been the wettest and coldest on record. It's miserable out there. I bought a new COAT today.

Here on the prairies it is finally getting green. Most trees are now leafed out. But our lawn is brownish as it is so very dry. My gardening zone is Zone 1a - an average of just 87 frost-free days per year. Yuck if you are a gardener like me! So, coming here from lush green Croatia to the odd tree here and there this week has not been pleasant. We're still getting frost at nights so most have not planted gardens yet. I plan to tomorrow.


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i would eat some gluten for a million dollars. i dont know if i would eat it for a CHANCE for a million dollars. but if it was a done deal- yes. would be worth the pain. i mean- i just got glutened on sunday from PF changs- 2 nights in a row i was on a heating pad and pillows compressing my whole trunk (front side)... groaning and wishing i could have an epidural for the pain- and i didnt get crap. no money :blink:

oh and the lara bars would hurt too... same as gluten.


1986- Elevated Speckled ANA/no Lupus.negative Sjorgens

2008- AntiGliadin IGA/IGg~ Negative,TTG IGA/IGg~ Weak Positive, Endomysial Antibody~ Positive, IGA Deficient.

no biopsy (insurance denied)

6/2010- Enterolab Gene Test:

HLA-DQB1 Allele 1 0302

HLA-DQB1 Allele 2 0302

HLADQ 3,3 (subtype 8,8)

7/2010- 100% Gluten Free

8/2010- DH

10/2010-Hypothyroid dx-> 12/2010 Hashimoto's dx + 1/11- Graves dx :(

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Wait Wait Wait!

You are all breaking the imaginary rules of my hypothetical situation. You don't have Lara Bars and you can't use your children as bait. :P

You are not prepared! You have nothing except the standard emergency kit in the cruise ship life raft which contains 3 days of drinking water, high calorie/high protein bread, some fire starting stuff, flares and a first aid kit.

There. Now what? Huh?

Can I use your children as bait? :)

Will my hub and boys be there? Can I keep my earrings and the clothes we were wearing when the ship went down?

Edit: I missed this part. We get a fire starting kit? And it's not my son M? This is fab!


 

 

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I finally got around to checking and yes, we can get some in Canada! I just checked the website and am astonished at all the yummy-looking flavours available. Key lime pie? Chocolate chip cookie dough? Where have I been? :lol:

I was really sad when I found out I couldn't have Clif bars anymore. But, if I wasn't out looking for an alternative, I never would have tried Larabars!

My gent's big into backpacking and wilderness survival. Food is actually the last thing you worry about. You try to find/make drinkable water, shelter, and fire first. Number 1 cause of death in the wilderness: exposure. Most people can go a long while without food. :)

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I came to this discussion very late -- I think I would do as the Donner Party did, only draw straws to see who would be bait and food :P Eat most of the short straw, reserving the rest for bait, and keep using bait for bait until you couldn't stand the thought of another bloody fish..... Ok, OK, I know these are your kids, but in the animal world sometimes the males eat the young, so we are animals..... :ph34r:


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Food is actually the last thing you worry about. You try to find/make drinkable water, shelter, and fire first. Number 1 cause of death in the wilderness: exposure. Most people can go a long while without food. :)

Totally agree! Good ideas!!

And given my experiences the past few years, I can attest to the fact that you can indeed go a long time without food,(ugh) but without hydration...YIKES!!! Ditzy head anyone??? :lol::blink:


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I came to this discussion very late -- I think I would do as the Donner Party did, only draw straws to see who would be bait and food :P Eat most of the short straw, reserving the rest for bait, and keep using bait for bait until you couldn't stand the thought of another bloody fish..... Ok, OK, I know these are your kids, but in the animal world sometimes the males eat the young, so we are animals..... :ph34r:

:blink:

'shroom!! (gulp) I'm staying on YOUR good side !! :lol: :lol: :lol:


"Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way we cope with it makes the difference." Virginia Satir

"The strongest of all warriors are these two - time and patience." Leo Tolstoy

"If you want to lift yourself up, lift up someone else" Booker T. Washington

“If idiots could fly, the sky would be like an airport.”― Laura Davenport 

"Do or do not. There is no try. "-  Yoda.

"LTES"  Gem 2014

 

Misdiagnosed for 25+ years; Finally Diagnosed with Celiac  11/01/10.  Double DQ2 genes. This thing tried to kill me. I view Celiac as a fire breathing dragon --and I have run my sword right through his throat.
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i would eat some gluten for a million dollars. i dont know if i would eat it for a CHANCE for a million dollars. but if it was a done deal- yes. would be worth the pain. i mean- i just got glutened on sunday from PF changs- 2 nights in a row i was on a heating pad and pillows compressing my whole trunk (front side)... groaning and wishing i could have an epidural for the pain- and i didnt get crap. no money :blink:

oh and the lara bars would hurt too... same as gluten.

hell, ya...I eat it for a guaranteed million too, cass...get back some of the money I spent on medical "help" the last few years :huh:

sorry about the glutening :( ....here I was thinking when I am past the 6 month mark, I would try PF Changs because everyone seems to like it so much :unsure: ....

why do you think Lara bars give you grief? just curious...


"Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way we cope with it makes the difference." Virginia Satir

"The strongest of all warriors are these two - time and patience." Leo Tolstoy

"If you want to lift yourself up, lift up someone else" Booker T. Washington

“If idiots could fly, the sky would be like an airport.”― Laura Davenport 

"Do or do not. There is no try. "-  Yoda.

"LTES"  Gem 2014

 

Misdiagnosed for 25+ years; Finally Diagnosed with Celiac  11/01/10.  Double DQ2 genes. This thing tried to kill me. I view Celiac as a fire breathing dragon --and I have run my sword right through his throat.
I. Win. bliss-smiley-emoticon.gif

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I think I will stay on dry land and stay away from deserted islands.

What if it was an island in the middle of Lake Michigan in January? :blink:

:lol: :lol: :lol:


"Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way we cope with it makes the difference." Virginia Satir

"The strongest of all warriors are these two - time and patience." Leo Tolstoy

"If you want to lift yourself up, lift up someone else" Booker T. Washington

“If idiots could fly, the sky would be like an airport.”― Laura Davenport 

"Do or do not. There is no try. "-  Yoda.

"LTES"  Gem 2014

 

Misdiagnosed for 25+ years; Finally Diagnosed with Celiac  11/01/10.  Double DQ2 genes. This thing tried to kill me. I view Celiac as a fire breathing dragon --and I have run my sword right through his throat.
I. Win. bliss-smiley-emoticon.gif

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'shroom!! (gulp) I'm staying on YOUR good side !! :lol: :lol: :lol:

She has been living in an earthquake destroyed city for the past few months.

Maybe it's not speculation :unsure: :unsure:


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She has been living in an earthquake destroyed city for the past few months.

Maybe it's not speculation :unsure: :unsure:

yes, I know....hmmm...maybe there's more to our dear 'shroom than we know.... :lol::blink:


"Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way we cope with it makes the difference." Virginia Satir

"The strongest of all warriors are these two - time and patience." Leo Tolstoy

"If you want to lift yourself up, lift up someone else" Booker T. Washington

“If idiots could fly, the sky would be like an airport.”― Laura Davenport 

"Do or do not. There is no try. "-  Yoda.

"LTES"  Gem 2014

 

Misdiagnosed for 25+ years; Finally Diagnosed with Celiac  11/01/10.  Double DQ2 genes. This thing tried to kill me. I view Celiac as a fire breathing dragon --and I have run my sword right through his throat.
I. Win. bliss-smiley-emoticon.gif

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Beware da flesh-eating 'shroom :ph34r: The rat scrounging amongst the ruins, first devouring all da stinking rotting food in da collapsed restaurants, then seeking farther afield. when da pickings get slim............


Neroli

"Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted." - Albert Einstein

"Life is not weathering the storm; it is learning to dance in the rain"

"Whatever the question, the answer is always chocolate." Nigella Lawson

------------

Caffeine free 1973

Lactose free 1990

(Mis)diagnosed IBS, fibromyalgia '80's and '90's

Diagnosed psoriatic arthritis 2004

Self-diagnosed gluten intolerant, gluten-free Nov. 2007

Soy free March 2008

Nightshade free Feb 2009

Citric acid free June 2009

Potato starch free July 2009

(Totally) corn free Nov. 2009

Legume free March 2010

Now tolerant of lactose

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Beware da flesh-eating 'shroom :ph34r: The rat scrounging amongst the ruins, first devouring all da stinking rotting food in da collapsed restaurants, then seeking farther afield. when da pickings get slim............

:lol::blink::o :o


"Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way we cope with it makes the difference." Virginia Satir

"The strongest of all warriors are these two - time and patience." Leo Tolstoy

"If you want to lift yourself up, lift up someone else" Booker T. Washington

“If idiots could fly, the sky would be like an airport.”― Laura Davenport 

"Do or do not. There is no try. "-  Yoda.

"LTES"  Gem 2014

 

Misdiagnosed for 25+ years; Finally Diagnosed with Celiac  11/01/10.  Double DQ2 genes. This thing tried to kill me. I view Celiac as a fire breathing dragon --and I have run my sword right through his throat.
I. Win. bliss-smiley-emoticon.gif

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I think I will stay on dry land and stay away from deserted islands.

What if it was an island in the middle of Lake Michigan in January? :blink:

Or worse - an island in northern Alberta in January??!!

I would love to be stranded on an isolated island with my husband, away from the maddng crowds.

But to reiterate what I said earlier, I would eat gluten if my life depended on it.


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When our lives are squeezed by pressure and pain, what comes out is what is inside.

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Wait Wait Wait!

You are all breaking the imaginary rules of my hypothetical situation. You don't have Lara Bars and you can't use your children as bait. :P

You are not prepared! You have nothing except the standard emergency kit in the cruise ship life raft which contains 3 days of drinking water, high calorie/high protein bread, some fire starting stuff, flares and a first aid kit.

There. Now what? Huh?

Most important is finding drinking water and shelter


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hell, ya...I eat it for a guaranteed million too, cass...get back some of the money I spent on medical "help" the last few years :huh:

sorry about the glutening :( ....here I was thinking when I am past the 6 month mark, I would try PF Changs because everyone seems to like it so much :unsure: ....

why do you think Lara bars give you grief? just curious...

dont let my experience for sure ruin your plans. my friend & i went to PF Changs TWICE in one week- 1st on a wednesday- and we ordered Singapore Street Noodles & Beef Fried Rice (off the gluten-free menu)... and it was FABULOUS !!!! SO DELISH, no problem whatsoever. we went back Sunday for the same items... plus, she had a scoop of vanilla ice cream (i did not). afterwards, we both felt more full than before.. but not sick... during the night i had pretty bad intestinal cramps that kept waking me up (but i ALSO have gluten like reactions to corn starch, potato starch, excess fructose, excess carbs... so i really wasnt too suspicious yet- she woke up nauseaus and had a rash over her chest. at this point- i thought i overdosed the starch and she got glutened from the ice cream. but my pain was RELENTLESS for a good 2-3 days... ???? but yet my forearms never itched like they do when i have trace amounts of gluten ????? so i HONESTLY am not sure i was glutened, but am suspicious, and will go talk to their manager. i wondered too if there's more Damian Cardone people in kitchens across the country??

Lara Bars bother me cause of the Dates.. too much fructose.


1986- Elevated Speckled ANA/no Lupus.negative Sjorgens

2008- AntiGliadin IGA/IGg~ Negative,TTG IGA/IGg~ Weak Positive, Endomysial Antibody~ Positive, IGA Deficient.

no biopsy (insurance denied)

6/2010- Enterolab Gene Test:

HLA-DQB1 Allele 1 0302

HLA-DQB1 Allele 2 0302

HLADQ 3,3 (subtype 8,8)

7/2010- 100% Gluten Free

8/2010- DH

10/2010-Hypothyroid dx-> 12/2010 Hashimoto's dx + 1/11- Graves dx :(

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dont let my experience for sure ruin your plans. my friend & i went to PF Changs TWICE in one week- 1st on a wednesday- and we ordered Singapore Street Noodles & Beef Fried Rice (off the gluten-free menu)... and it was FABULOUS !!!! SO DELISH, no problem whatsoever. we went back Sunday for the same items... plus, she had a scoop of vanilla ice cream (i did not). afterwards, we both felt more full than before.. but not sick... during the night i had pretty bad intestinal cramps that kept waking me up (but i ALSO have gluten like reactions to corn starch, potato starch, excess fructose, excess carbs... so i really wasnt too suspicious yet- she woke up nauseaus and had a rash over her chest. at this point- i thought i overdosed the starch and she got glutened from the ice cream. but my pain was RELENTLESS for a good 2-3 days... ???? but yet my forearms never itched like they do when i have trace amounts of gluten ????? so i HONESTLY am not sure i was glutened, but am suspicious, and will go talk to their manager. i wondered too if there's more Damian Cardone people in kitchens across the country??

Lara Bars bother me cause of the Dates.. too much fructose.

yikes...let's hope there aren't any more Damiens!! :unsure:

Fructose causes what kind of reaction, may I ask? I'm trying to figure out why I am bloated still...I feel much better and it's not gluten doing it...but...I have a bit of a pouch going down there (I had been stick- thin preDX...

edited...scratch that... I read about fructose malabsorption...I don't think that's it..!maybe I am just gaining weight :D


"Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way we cope with it makes the difference." Virginia Satir

"The strongest of all warriors are these two - time and patience." Leo Tolstoy

"If you want to lift yourself up, lift up someone else" Booker T. Washington

“If idiots could fly, the sky would be like an airport.”― Laura Davenport 

"Do or do not. There is no try. "-  Yoda.

"LTES"  Gem 2014

 

Misdiagnosed for 25+ years; Finally Diagnosed with Celiac  11/01/10.  Double DQ2 genes. This thing tried to kill me. I view Celiac as a fire breathing dragon --and I have run my sword right through his throat.
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My son, M, wants to know when we are going to this island? He is looking forward to it. Sounds relaxing. He & his dad are spending a week in northern Minnisota/Canada canoeing and camping. They may not even see anyone but their little group of 9 for the whole time. They must catch fish or they will be hungry because they can't carry much food.


 

 

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My son, M, wants to know when we are going to this island? He is looking forward to it. Sounds relaxing. He & his dad are spending a week in northern Minnisota/Canada canoeing and camping. They may not even see anyone but their little group of 9 for the whole time. They must catch fish or they will be hungry because they can't carry much food.

that sounds like fun!!!


"Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way we cope with it makes the difference." Virginia Satir

"The strongest of all warriors are these two - time and patience." Leo Tolstoy

"If you want to lift yourself up, lift up someone else" Booker T. Washington

“If idiots could fly, the sky would be like an airport.”― Laura Davenport 

"Do or do not. There is no try. "-  Yoda.

"LTES"  Gem 2014

 

Misdiagnosed for 25+ years; Finally Diagnosed with Celiac  11/01/10.  Double DQ2 genes. This thing tried to kill me. I view Celiac as a fire breathing dragon --and I have run my sword right through his throat.
I. Win. bliss-smiley-emoticon.gif

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Sounds like a Celiac nightmare! No bathrooms!

:o:lol: :lol: :lol:

wow..see, I am not living in the bathroom anymore (yippee), so that completely escaped my thought!!


"Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way we cope with it makes the difference." Virginia Satir

"The strongest of all warriors are these two - time and patience." Leo Tolstoy

"If you want to lift yourself up, lift up someone else" Booker T. Washington

“If idiots could fly, the sky would be like an airport.”― Laura Davenport 

"Do or do not. There is no try. "-  Yoda.

"LTES"  Gem 2014

 

Misdiagnosed for 25+ years; Finally Diagnosed with Celiac  11/01/10.  Double DQ2 genes. This thing tried to kill me. I view Celiac as a fire breathing dragon --and I have run my sword right through his throat.
I. Win. bliss-smiley-emoticon.gif

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