Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):
  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Hoping For Help


mkpesho

Recommended Posts

mkpesho Newbie

A year ago I visited my Dr. because of excessive stomach pain and gas. She said it may be a lot of things and prescribed meds. She mentioned gluten allergy and IBS among some other things after I pressed for what the


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



rosetapper23 Explorer

I attended a celiac forum last Saturday in Palo Alto, and the topic of cross-reactivity was discussed extensively. While there are some people on this forum who object to this word (or maybe even its existence), it has been a topic covered at many nationwide conferences during the past few years; and, personally, I have accepted it as a very viable theory.

How it was described on Saturday is that when a person's body has been battling either gluten sensitivity or celiac disease, its antibodies continue firing for possibly years after a gluten-free diet is adopted. Our immune systems can become confused so that the antibodies begin mis-identifying the molecules of other foods as gluten molecules, and your body will have the same type of reaction. It is sometimes necessary to remove the most common cross-reactive foods from one's diet for 2-3 months while the auto-immune system calms down and stops mis-identifying molecules. Remember, you were sick for quite a while, and your system became very adept at attacking gluten molecules (and your own body). For many people on this forum who have discussed this topic, oftentimes the culprit is one of the following: dairy, soy, oats, rice, nightshade vegetables, and salicylates. At the celiac forum on Saturday, other foods were mentioned, such as coffee, but I haven't seen coffee mentioned here on this forum as being a problem.

After being glutened last year, I began to react to rice exactly as I normally do to gluten, so I removed it from my diet for four months, and after that time my body no longer mis-identified it as gluten. So, personally, I believe this theory to be completely plausible. Many people on this forum have described similar reactions to non-gluten-containing foods and have had success reintroducing them after several months.

Perhaps others will jump in and list foods that have caused them reactions while their guts were healing.

GottaSki Mentor

I have multiple food intolerances that developed &/or worsened after I was gluten-free.

My first thought is your symptoms came on suddenly, so has there been any items that are new to your diet - change of brands or ingredients in things you regularly consume.

If not, you might want to consider other intolerances. Mine fall within the foods that have high Lectin content, while many other folks have problems with Salicylate foods.

The only way to determine intolerance is elimination - either one food at a time or remove all suspect foods for some time and then add them back in one at a time with a week or so between trials.

If you don't already have one - a food log can help identify problems.

Another thought I had when I read your post was SIBO (Small Intestine Bacteria Overgrowth). It was one of the things my Celiac Doc suggested when I had a sudden return of symptoms after nine months of good health. An internet search regarding "SIBO" might be worth a look.

Good luck to you :)

~**caselynn**~ Enthusiast

Just a thought, do you still have your gallbladder? A lot of times gallbladder disease is the culprit of abd issues. :)

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - knitty kitty replied to dsfraley's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      12

      9 y/o Son Diagnosed with Celiac Disease; Persistent Symptoms: Does this Sound Familiar?

    2. - Mari replied to Jmartes71's topic in Coping with Celiac Disease
      1

      Second chance

    3. - cristiana replied to dsfraley's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      12

      9 y/o Son Diagnosed with Celiac Disease; Persistent Symptoms: Does this Sound Familiar?

    4. - Wheatwacked replied to dsfraley's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      12

      9 y/o Son Diagnosed with Celiac Disease; Persistent Symptoms: Does this Sound Familiar?

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,562
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Hannah Kelch
    Newest Member
    Hannah Kelch
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.6k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Who's Online (See full list)

    • There are no registered users currently online
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • knitty kitty
      I found some articles that illustrate the immune reaction to casein and gluten. Bovine milk caseins and transglutaminase-treated cereal prolamins are differentially recognized by IgA of celiac disease patients according to their age https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19290628/   Gliadin and Casein Metabolism: Synthesis of Gliadomorphin and Casomorphin and Their Biological Consequences https://www.researchgate.net/publication/397908713_Gliadin_and_Casein_Metabolism_Synthesis_of_Gliadomorphin_and_Casomorphin_and_Their_Biological_Consequences   Effects of milk containing only A2 beta casein versus milk containing both A1 and A2 beta casein proteins on gastrointestinal physiology, symptoms of discomfort, and cognitive behavior of people with self-reported intolerance to traditional cows’ milk https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4818854/#:~:text=Results,lactose tolerant and intolerant subjects.   Casomorphins and Gliadorphins Have Diverse Systemic Effects Spanning Gut, Brain and Internal Organs https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8345738/   Brain Opioid Activity and Oxidative Injury: Different Molecular Scenarios Connecting Celiac Disease and Autistic Spectrum Disorder https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7407635/  
    • Mari
      Ijmartes71 I  son't think you are crazy by any psycoligical s=defination but you are obsessive. you may have considerable brain fog  , a problem that affects celiacs and many other people. . With this obsession you have abd being braun dogged you arw not abke to take any advice people are giving you to help you. To take advice you need to reduce your anxieties abd think more clearly. .Stop taking your herbs for at least one week because some of them will have side ellectsif you take them too long. You can add them back if you don't notice any good changes. Be more careful about being strictly gluten free.  
    • cristiana
      Just to say that I too was hesitant to come off dairy products completely @dsfraley.  Milk, yoghurt and soft cheeses definitely caused bloating.  This bloating gave me rib and pelvic pain, and I remember  the pain was so horrible at times it was almost a sick feeling., kind of like the sort of aches you get with flu.   Milk, yoghurt and soft cheeses also gave me diarrhea, but I noted I could still eat small amounts of hard cheese like cheddar without any issues. Re: milk, my gastroenterologist told me at that time that I could just by lactofree products, and should be fine, but when my gut was still very damaged they went right through me regardless. Thankfully I am able to tolerate milk very well again, although I have noted that too much of it can have a slightly laxative effect. The other thing that made me feel off were heavy iron supplements, which contributed to bloating and diarrhea.  In the end a GP told me to take ferrous gluconate, which is a much gentler supplement, with water an hour before breakfast in the morning.  That was helpful.  If your son is supplementing  (which needs to be under medical supervision as too much iron can cause issues) Floravital fruit syrup is another alternative, but make sure you don't buy Floradix as it contains gluten. Lastly, all oats, soya products and certain pulses also made my stomach sore.  Apart from the oats (which need to be certified 'pure' aka gluten free ones) I was able to eat these things again some months after adopting a gluten-free diet. I would say keeping a food diary might be worth a try, noting any negative symptoms following eating.  Patterns start to emerge which might otherwise be difficult to identify.
    • trents
    • Wheatwacked
      Anyway, I have no problem with grass fed milk other than the price.  Maybe I should move to Ireland or New Zealand.  They're the only countries that don't feed grains to their cows to increase milkfat and milk volume. A side note: I just came back trom the vascular surgeon about the scan of my carotid arteries done last week.  A year ago I had over 90% stenosis in the right artery and 80% in the left.  Tcar procedure done in the right with a stent.  The results today were right side downgraded to Moderate stenosis and the surgeon did not expect to see as much improvement on the left. (untouched). I must be doing something right.  Recheck in six months.   Mucosal reactivity to cow's milk protein in coeliac disease This paper proves that cassein is the protein in cow's milk is the trigger but the study did not differentiate as grass fed milk.  I haven't found any studies specific to grassmilk. The study does not differentiate alpha or beta cassein.  Google says: some clinicians speculate that grain-based proteins could potentially pass into the milk, though scientific studies typically find no detectable gluten or gliadin fragments in bovine milk regardless of the cow's diet. So given alpha cassein as the trigger, grass fed A2 cassein; thought to be easier to digest and less likely to trigger the specific inflammatory pathways associated with standard commercial dairy; plus the omega 6:3 ratio of grain fed milk is 5.8:1 vs grass fed ratio of 1:1, grass fed milk is less inflammatory.  
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.