The Funny Pages - Tickle Me Elbow - The Original

[Jestgar]

I read your post and this article came immediately to mind:

Open Original Shared Link

I'm curious as to whether or not any of the info in this article has been disproved.

And exactly how much mercury IS in each of these vaccines?

OK, this article is really hard to address. It uses a lot of inflammatory language, and doesn't really cite it's sources. The first guy mentioned, Verstraeten, is the first author on a study showing no correlation between thimerosal and child health. Later in the article RS states "that had been reworked to reduce the link between thimerosal and autism". If this is true, why are there no studies, or interpretations of the data disputing Verstraeten's paper? (I searched PubMed, there is nothing).

There are a couple studies showing that autism increased when vaccination programs started, but there are a couple problems with this.

1. There is no way to separate the influence of the mercury in the vaccines from the other components in the vaccine, including viral DNAs. I saw no studies comparing autism rates of children vaccinated with thimerosal containing formulations vs thimerosal-free formulations.

2. Thimerosal has been removed from childhood vaccines since the 1990s, and yet the rate of autism being diagnosed hasn't changed.

Here's someone else's take on the RS article Open Original Shared Link. And that transcript is still available, if you want to read it yourself.

And a treatise on the Simpsonwood conference itself: Open Original Shared Link.

[elye]

Just picked Smack up early from school today because of a fever and sore throat.

I, too, was startled by this sentence. . .. ..forgetting that Janet's DS is known in our circle as Smack.

This sentence reads as: Picked up some smack from the school today, because I need to get rid of this fever and sore throat.

Mygawd. . . ....... . where is this school???

Jess! You've said that there is no longer any thimerosal in childhood vaccines .. . . ..but it is still present in our flu shot serums, right? Forgive my great ignorance, for this may be an eye-rolling question - - why is this stuff in any shots we're being given? There must be a pretty good reason, considering the contoversy that surrounds it. .. . .

I was just thinking of starting a whole thread on the subject, but then I thought, "Nope, no need - - we've got Jess right here"..... ..

[jerseyangel]

why is this stuff in any shots we're being given? There must be a pretty good reason, considering the contoversy that surrounds it. .. . .

I was just thinking of starting a whole thread on the subject, but then I thought, "Nope, no need - - we've got Jess right here"..... ..

I think it's because it's a cheap preservative. Don't quote me on that, though

Yeah, a thread on this would most likely turn ugly anyway.....and we got Jess

[Jestgar]

Jess! You've said that there is no longer any thimerosal in childhood vaccines .. . . ..but it is still present in our flu shot serums, right? Forgive my great ignorance, for this may be an eye-rolling question - - why is this stuff in any shots we're being given? There must be a pretty good reason, considering the contoversy that surrounds it. .. . .

It's easier, less expensive, and there has never been shown any issues with adults and thimerosal.

I've just been reading that original transcript. Very flawed study. They didn't track how many immunizations the children actually got. If the child got two polio vaccines, and was continuously enrolled in the HMO for one year, he was assumed to have gotten all vaccines. They didn't address the rates of diagnoses in children that were known to NOT have received vaccines. Also, curiously, children that fit the criteria had a lower rate of injury (statistically significant). Does this mean that mercury protects against injury?

[Judyin Philly]

I think it's because it's a cheap preservative. Don't quote me on that, though

Yeah, a thread on this would most likely turn ugly anyway.....and we got Jess

so agree............we've got Jess and it's safer here for us to share info IMO.

we don't need any threads that we're sure will go 'south'

think i can get warned for this ???

It's easier, less expensive, and there has never been shown any issues with adults and thimerosal.

Does this mean that mercury protects against injury?

Jess......I thought that's what i read in the lists posted here. Thanks for stating this about the adult issue in the flu shot.

Does this mercury protect us against injury?...........what a hoot

[jerseyangel]

Yeah, I don't ever remember anything about thimerosal and adults....but then agan, what do I know

Jan-it, I hope Smack is pheeling better this evening. Hope this isn't going to be a bad phlu season

I see you PeOter--getting ready fer the big visit this weekend? <happyferyouguysbutstilljealousphace>

[jerseyangel]

think i can get warned for this ???

Jeeze--I dunno Judith....that's some pretty strong language there.....

[JNBunnie1]

It's easier, less expensive, and there has never been shown any issues with adults and thimerosal.

I've just been reading that original transcript. Very flawed study. They didn't track how many immunizations the children actually got. If the child got two polio vaccines, and was continuously enrolled in the HMO for one year, he was assumed to have gotten all vaccines. They didn't address the rates of diagnoses in children that were known to NOT have received vaccines. Also, curiously, children that fit the criteria had a lower rate of injury (statistically significant). Does this mean that mercury protects against injury?

What sort of injury?

[psawyer]

Also, curiously, children that fit the criteria had a lower rate of injury (statistically significant). Does this mean that mercury protects against injury?

Mercury is good for you? Who knew?

[jerseyangel]

Mercury is good for you? Who knew?

You are aware if this gets out it'll cause WW3??

[tom]

OK. I got a cell phone and canceled my land line. So now I have a microwave/oven I don't know how to use and a phone I don't know how to use.

Ooo! Oooo!! A fancy cellphone? Whatkindwhatkind!!?? :maletechnoexcitementface:

I was curious about google's new OpenSource Gphone, the G1 thru T-mobile, and roomie John GOT one already. (& is now free of the Crackberry lame-osity)

Don't much like the G1's flat keybd, but the rest is pretty schwing! <or the female equivalent .. .. .which is . ...what?>

I am alive.....I think.

w00t!

Tom!!!! I know there was something I wanted to say to you. But what?

Uhhhhh something you imagined Arnie said sounded like something *I* might say, so had to be shared?? :wackl:

Errrrrrr you can't STAND how big the DWTS's stars are on your new 70" HDTV and need to know my new addr???? :hah!!wishfulthinkingface:

Orrrrrrrrrrrrrr you've been referred to a doc in San Jo and we'll have a Left Coast Psilly Psummit w/ Pseuzee & Donna??????

You mean I could have snorted drugs and would feel better now? :lol:

I remember the feeling better as primarily short term in the 80s.

tho not running out for dayyyyyyyys was one solution

:whatthehellkindofface?:

<jess said attenuated>

Gyah I'm still too busy for much playin'.

Must finally have breakfast, shower & head to work.

(Testing TJoe's pancake mix for 1st time ever!!!!)

Soozle gettin' this nasty paradoxically uplifting gloomy wevvah yet down there??

[blueeyedmanda]

Hi Everyone-

very very busy day- mom, Carrie and Brooklynn were here for the day, this was arranged for a few weeks so nothing due to the finding of the house. We hit up all the Sally-Ann's in the area and the Goodwills and Volunteers of America too. I got a few things too.

At 3 we went to see the house and my mom liked it too. So we are going to run it by John's dad to make sure things are ok with it. So thats where things are with the house.

Now its back to work tomorrow....things have been crazy since last weekend was nuts and now this is another packed weekend.....Happy Halloween too!!!

I do get a flu shot- the hospital gives them free to us. I actually never have any reactions at all which is nice too. But I do have coworkers who did have reactions.

[Judyin Philly]

Mercury is good for you? Who knew?

You are aware if this gets out it'll cause WW3??

you guys are BAD

I'd say WW10........skip from 3-10 straight away..........

Course I'm safe.........I won't have to clean up the mess as I'm not a MOD............

SOMETIMES it pays to be the low link on the food chain.

Must put a disclainer here............ I do feel for all those with the vaccinations issues and I know it's serious business. It's just too complex for me 'pea brain' Glad i don't have to make these decisions for my kid nowdays. His damage is already done.

back to silly business

[elye]

I see you PeOter--getting ready fer the big visit this weekend? <happyferyouguysbutstilljealousphace>

YYYESSSS!! The Oracle and I are currently working out rendezvous details . . . .

POeter! Check yer email - - I've suggested public transport for us.....need directions to Il Fortino!

Mercury is good for you? Who knew?

You are aware if this gets out it'll cause WW3??

OMG. . . ....... .. the Mercury Thread . . . ......

Um .. . . wonder if Altoids have thimerosal in 'em...... . . .

[Mtndog]

U=I sensed WW3-10 so had to come visit! :lol:

I've just been reading that original transcript. Very flawed study. They didn't track how many immunizations the children actually got. If the child got two polio vaccines, and was continuously enrolled in the HMO for one year, he was assumed to have gotten all vaccines. They didn't address the rates of diagnoses in children that were known to NOT have received vaccines. Also, curiously, children that fit the criteria had a lower rate of injury (statistically significant). Does this mean that mercury protects against injury?

Which study are you talking bout Jess- the RS article? Not even a study- more of a literature summary/article. The lower rate of injury-? That's why I love statistics- multiply regress me baby!!!!! Actually, email me the link if you can, I need to exercise my aching brain.

so agree............we've got Jess and it's safer here for us to share info IMO.

we don't need any threads that we're sure will go 'south'

think i can get warned for this ???

YOU IS IN TROUBLE- I'm gonna out you unless you send Haagen daas peanut butter chocolate ice cream :P

[curlyfries]

So here's the Halloween party.........doesn't look much like a costume, now that I see a picture.....and my hair was suposed to be all down over my eyes.........oh, well.

I sure did pass by all those vaccination links.........my brain is off the clock after 3:45 PM........won't even watch hubby's Nature or History programs.....:boredface:

Good to see your still amongst the living, Jooleee!

[psawyer]

YYYESSSS!! The Oracle and I are currently working out rendezvous details . . . .

POeter! Check yer email - - I've suggested public transport for us.....need directions to Il Fortino!

Been there, done that, replied too.

Um .. . . wonder if Altoids have thimerosal in 'em...... . . .

Karen, where are you when we need you?

[psawyer]

So here's the Halloween party.........doesn't look much like a costume, now that I see a picture.....and my hair was suposed to be all down over my eyes.........oh, well.

Van Helsing and Lucy make an interesting, dark Goth couple, don't they?

[Jestgar]

What sort of injury?

Doesn't say. It's based on hospital diagnostic codes. They didn't have access to medical records.

Which study are you talking bout Jess- the RS article? Not even a study- more of a literature summary/article. The lower rate of injury-? That's why I love statistics- multiply regress me baby!!!!! Actually, email me the link if you can, I need to exercise my aching brain.

It's the conference itself, the data presented by that guy who's name I can't see on the posts anymore Starting about page thirty, I think.

Here's someone else's take on the RS article Open Original Shared Link. And that transcript is still available, if you want to read it yourself.

There are a lot of issues with the study design. The points are argued by the other physicians at the conference. Fun to read. OK, for me anyway.

And Tom, my cell phone makes calls, and I think takes pictures

[DingoGirl]

SILLIES!!!!!!!!!!!! I"m caught up!

now I"m just going to get emoticonally busted, along with having too many quotes

:sostinkingmadface:

too much to say! where to start

Very lovely birthday dinner this evening. Every dinner I have with both parents there is more and more special each year.

We were having our coffee when my dad suddenly said, "After they make styrofoam, what do they ship it in?"....... ..

and now we know where The Ripper gets it.........

lurvely birfday photo :nicesmile:

FURIOUS about emoticon limit :enragedface:

Hi Ashleigh!!!!!!!!! you already have mastered psilly spelling - you fit right in

Glad you could join us...........stick around......and don't let us scare you off.......we're harmless!

no - we're actually not - we contain mercury

Really is a small world....Mark's sister lived in Canadaigua for a while while she was a student teacher. My family had a reunion there at the lake when I was about 12--and Mark and I have been to Sonnenberg Gardens and partook in some wine-tasting while there.

Maybe we crossed paths at some point

good lord! I wanna go to this magical place of which you speak :wistfulface:

Am I frightening them with my mere invitations? Promises of penis-sling flowcharts, CPR songs, frank discussions on decapitation. .. . ....... .. .

Hash-Lee, in reference to Em . . . this is what we were talking about.

that's what I'm talkin' about

hash-lee *snort*

Just a drive-by poop-in here . .. .

Ptaughmn's pleased to be in the homestretch of moving <yay!>

2 craigslist guys w/ a truck are due @1pm & I'll be sleeping in Willow Glen tonight. :contentedsleepingface:

Work's going better than expected :happysmugface:

Talked to Bossman some last night. He seems to think the stuff I'm doing - which is NOT what I was hired to be doing - is harder and more important than I believed it to be.

He said I'm "doing engineering", to which I replied "maybe we should revisit my pay scale then". Heehee

I'll soon be getting a desk and new pc w/ big widescreen monitor too! Yippee

:extremelypleasedface:

am just thrilled with this ENTIRE THING, so like our paddeigh, am quoting it in its entirety.........

working helps A LOT - - getting out of the house and doing something that at least matters to SOMEone....it helps a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!

part deux coming up.....................

[DingoGirl]

part deux

ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!! emoticonally busted AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Co-inky-dii?

oh come on.........that would just be silly :stickingtongueout:

She was not happy. Clutched in her hand was a beige turtleneck on a hanger. Through gritted teeth, (and I'm not kidding), she hisses, "I just found this. You did NOT show me this sweater. I ASKED you look for brown turtlenecks!!"

Holy crap!

OMG

is there any chance she thought you worked there?

On the TV sets of me youth, there was a setting for the horizontal and vertical hold.

That's all I'm sayin

Patti I do remember this

Emily?? Christ-like??? . . . ummmmm . . . No, not Last-Supperish . . . more like a Wanted Poster for the Hole-In-The-Wall-Gang.

had to go back and point out how PHUNNY this was

Now THIS is the sentence of the week. It should be the name of your autobiography, Soooozie.

OMG - Yes.

"Could Beans Make Me Mental: The Untold True Story of a Gassy, Maniacal, Recluse/Crazy Old Dog Lady in Stepford"

Soozle--I love you, we truly all love you--but the beans.....not so much. Just off the top 'o me head, I can think of two other times when beans did this to you. I'm terribly intolerant to all legumes and each time, my reaction gets worse.

OMG

I keep trying different methods to MAKE them work, and it's NOT WORKING. But this time, I can't be sure.

but - why in hell would JUST BEANS make me bonkers? I can tolerate all other legumes just phine, thank you.

May have to query The Others about this...........

I am going through exactly the same kind of emoticon withdrawal, Patti..... . .it is affecting my entire life. I am seeing li'l emoticons everywhere. . . . ....cackly faces on my whiteboard at work, wackl faces floating around the free weights at the gym, li'l smirks on the barbeque as I prepare supper... . . . .mygawd. . .. ....they are everywhere. I think I may have to go cold turkey. It is like telling an alcoholic to just partake in one or two martinis a day - - completely ineffective.

So, no emoticon usage for a time. Dunno if I can do this. Hopefully I can reintroduce them, a bit at a time. . . . . .....

My name is Emily, and I am an emotiholic.

:laffylafflaff: !!!

Soooozie! There you are .. . . . stop the legumes! I'm off emoticons, you get off those beans. . . ..... :laffyguy:

good gawd

BEVEL! The phlugh?????????? oh so sorry, Pet. hope it passes soon. you are still SO PHUNNY, even phlugh-ed.

You mean I could have snorted drugs and would feel better now?

see what I mean

part THREE coming up

:gads:

[DingoGirl]

LEEEE-SAH!!!!!!!!!! Luv yer costumes. You look HOT with black hair.

AMANDA! am excited about yer house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey! I'm excited - - just found the PERFECT curtain rings at the Sally Anne - - small, round, and gold, to use as our nose rings when we transform ourselves into Zulus. We just need to put them in our noses and squish them together with pliers when we're ready to go, and pry them apart when the party's over. I only needed two, but had to buy the pack of ten, so if anyone else suddenly needs a nose ring, I've got extra here, and they're cheap to ship.

POeter! You may be wanting a nose ring this weekend . .. . ...I'll bring a couple extra to Toronto.

good gawd she is MAD

POETER!!!!!!!!!!!! WEAR THE NOSE RINGS!!!!!!!!!! I DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jess- You got the first LOUD giggle out of me today.

Gianknit- You really shouldn't be on Smack

with the phlugh, she is THIS FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Uhhhhh something you imagined Sammy said sounded like something *I* might say, so had to be shared?? :wackl:

Orrrrrrrrrrrrrr you've been referred to a doc in San Jo and we'll have a Left Coast Psilly Psummit w/ Pseuzee & Donna??????

Soozle gettin' this nasty paradoxically uplifting gloomy wevvah yet down there??

we NEED a Left Coast Psilly Psummit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it's not fair, everyone else playing and cavorting but US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the PHAN-PHARKING-TASTIC "paradoxically uplifting gloomy wevvah" HAS HIT US TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pseu-zee is extremely pleased. It RAINED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not for long, just a few minutes, but we were out of our minds.....................rain coming this weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:yay:

And Tom, my cell phone makes calls, and I think takes pictures

*snort* exactly

OMG - these phlu shot/sciencey things

is all I have to say - can't even read them - -

suddenly I am dealing with.............computer and printer problems all day long.......and my head is spinning

In other news..................

Sillies - - I left Weez alone for a few hours yesterday, and was quite careful to remove EVERYTHING even remotely edible from any surface (kitchen counter, bedside table, desk, etc.) or any other area. She stayed in the house while I was gone.

Now, you know she stands up on her hind legs and retrieves things from the desk/kitchen counter, etc.

so I got home, and found on the floor:

my Ipod and

a pair of SCISSORS

thank God she's not a chewer.....................

mygawd! I"ll have to log on from work to stay caught up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HI JUDITH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ♥♥♥

and OMG!!!!!!!!!!!! Hi POETER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ♥♥♥

You guys get to hang out this weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:jealousjealousjealousface:

I'm flying to Toronto, see you tomorrow? I"ll be the one wif the sweet yellow dog

[elye]

Leeeeesa!!! You sexy thang . . . .. .....!!

POETER!!!!!!!!!!!! WEAR THE NOSE RINGS!!!!!!!!!! I DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...And I'll have my cameraaaaaaa.......

Mygawd. . . . I do hope that these rings are mercury-phree .. . .....

my Ipod and

a pair of SCISSORS

thank God she's not a chewer.....................

OMG..... ..

This suddenly reminded me of our last substandard poodle, who as a young dog, from time to time, used to leave large poops with the odd SEWING NEEDLE imbedded in them, quite visible ..........

[DingoGirl]

OMG..... ..

This suddenly reminded me of our last substandard poodle, who as a young dog, from time to time, used to leave large poops with the odd SEWING NEEDLE imbedded in them, quite visible ..........

OMG - how do they come out....whole?

substandard

no one's commented on my emoticon thread :lol:

methinks everyone's askeert

[jerseyangel]

Boy Suz--when you catch up, you REALLY catch up! Very enjoyable

It's absolutely possible to be sensitive to some legumes and not others. For instance: people who eat peanut butter, no problem, but are intolerant to soy. I can tolerate small amounts of soy and never worry about "traces" of it in baking mixes. Put a pea in me and my insides revolt!

You'll get it all phigured out

Hee! Love the emoticon thread!!!! I just posted over there.