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Get this. My insurance company will not cover a dietician for Celiac. They will for diabetes - because it's medically necessary. Apparently, diet isn't medically necessary for Celiac!

None of the doctors where I am have treated active celiac. How this can be, I don't know, but such seems to be the case. None of the dieticians have either.

So, through much effort I find a doctor in Madison with experience and in a practice with a rheumatologist, gastro, & dietician. All have lots of celiac experience.

Not covered by my d***** insurance, which turns out to have $1000 out of network deductiblle. I've spent my out of pocket max in network ... but NONE of that rolls over!

I'm SO TIRED of the stress with this disease. I spend all my time going to six different grocery stores to get six different things. I juice, I cook three meals a day, and I cna't take a moment off. I know this isn't just me and those with a family have a much harder time. I don't know how anyone does it. I'm just so tired all the time.

Why is it so unbelievably hard to get treated? I'm still sick - I understand that it takes time to feel better - but I wish that I didn't have to rely so much on myself. Shouldn't having a dx make this easier?

I'm so tired of crying and being afraid. Thousands of dollars in medical bills. And all I'm getting told is go on the internet. I've been being really positive in attitude but I just can't take this. Am I crazy for wanting a doctor who isn't just guessing and has never seen this beofre?

I know I ask stupid questions on this site, and I'm sorry, and I post too much, but I'm just so lost. I don't want to go back into the hospital and I'm terrified I have other stuff going on and that's why I'm still sick but I just don't know.

Thanks for letting me vent. I'm really not coping well right now.


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Lisa Mentor

I am so sorry that you are frustrated. I know all too well how hard celiac can be.

I don't think that you can find any professional that has the combined knowledge of the people on this site.

You are a part of the family. Venting or not, if you need some guidance or have questions, we're here!!

DingoGirl Enthusiast

So sorry you're having such a rough time. I am going to PROMISE you this - - it gets SO MUCH BETTER. And it takes time, and lots of research, trial and error. Unfortunately, this is a disease that demands very much of the patient for recovery. It's a pisser. But WELL worth it in the end.

DO NOT waste your money on a dietitian! They seriously don't know anything about Celiac - well - - I am sure that the odd one here or there might, I just have yet to hear a report of this.

How about a couple of books? Go to half.com, if money's an issue, and look for Gluten-free for Dummies......or Dr. Peter Green's book on Celiac.

I suspect that 95% of doctors won't know how to help you, either, other than providing a diagnosis and maybe a few pages of info. I LOVE my GI, but the man isn't livign with the disease himself...that's why I found myself on this forum, over 18 months ago, sick and miserable and sobbing and bewildered...and I just sat here and read about six hours a day......

YOu know something, I didn't believe people in the beginning when they said things would get easier, but I can honestly say, it is almost effortless now, second-nature, and I am never sick any more.

Hang in there, and ask as many questions as you'd like. :)

hez Enthusiast

You are right this disease does suck but let me add that it does get easier with time. That tired feeling will get better as well the more your body heals. For me it took six months on the diet before I started to feel better.

As for the dieticians I would skip it. I can't tell you how many threads I have read on this board of people getting the wrong information. All this does is delay your recovery.

I was also in big time mourning after my dx. I just felt plain sad. It took awhile for me to get over that. And still there are days when I am sad over the inconvience of this disease. Then after I feel that saddness I remember how good I feel and what a blessing it is to have this dx. Truly, what disease out there is so simple to cure? No drugs, no surgeries just eating food that is good for you.

This board is a wonderful place to feel support and get great information.

Hez

ArtGirl Enthusiast
Why is it so unbelievably hard to get treated? I'm still sick - I understand that it takes time to feel better - but I wish that I didn't have to rely so much on myself. Shouldn't having a dx make this easier?

It's hard to get treated because there is no treatment except eating gluten-free. There are no pills to take, to therapy sessions, nothing other than diet.

Keep visiting this board, ask questions, read past threads, and educate yourself. I spent three weeks absorbed in reading threads when I first found this forum. My head was spinning, but I learned more here than any professional could have told me. And in less time, and without any cost.

As other posters have said - stick with it and give it all some time. You WILL feel better. Your energy WILL return. Six months from now you'll be giving others encouragement in their initial struggles.

The best thing you can do now is to learn all you can, be viligent about your kitchen, your cosmetics, pet food - all those things that can contimate you - and get as close to 100% gluten-free as you possibly can.

ravenwoodglass Mentor

Folks are quite right about the dietian issue, you probally know more about celiac than they do by now. This site and the one by the celiac sprue association have been the most helpful to me. Ask all the questions you need to and know you are not alone. It is hard at first but it is so worth it in the long run. I have provided a link to the celiac sprue diet choices page and be sure to also check out the link on this sites home page to theirs also.

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Phyllis28 Apprentice
I'm SO TIRED of the stress with this disease. I spend all my time going to six different grocery stores to get six different things. I juice, I cook three meals a day, and I cna't take a moment off. I know this isn't just me and those with a family have a much harder time. I don't know how anyone does it. I'm just so tired all the time.

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I do not cook three meals a day. I make a lot of whatever I am cooking so I have leftovers to reheat If I don't think I am going to use the food up in a timely I will freeze it in individual servings.

I also have quick meals such as

Peanutbutter and Jelly on Rice Cakes

Gluten Free Hot Dogs with canned gluten free bakes beans

Tuna and cheese on rice cakes or gluten free bread (can be microwaved)

Refried beans and Cheese in heated in a corn tortilla.


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kbtoyssni Contributor

I'm sorry you're having such a tough time. You're right, a dietitian should be covered by your insurance if one for diabetes is. Not sure if this will help you, but most people here haven't found dietitians to be that helpful. As you know, the diet's harder than "don't eat WBRO" and that's a lot of what a dietitian will give you. To me, this site is far more valuable.

There is a HUGE learning curve to this diet, but give it a month or two and it will get much, much easier. Once you get your safe brands figured out, shopping won't be much of a chore. I do 99.9% of my shopping at a regular grocery store. Try thinking outside the box a bit - where you used to use bread, try corn tortillas (Mission brand are gluten-free) or lettuce (like egg/tuna salad lettuce wraps). Use potatoes and rice as a base instead of pasta. Use Thai-style rice pasta instead of buying specialty gluten-free pasta. Make friends with brands like Kraft who always label gluten if it contains it. And don't be afraid to eat very simple meals for a while until you figure this out. Try just plain meat and veggies, maybe some spices (McCormick is gluten-free).

The first few weeks that I was diagnosed, I ate corn tortillas (Tostitos brand) with cheese several times a day! That's certainly not healthy, but I figured if that's the worst thing I did in the first month while I was still trying to figure out what I could eat, that's not so bad. It's better than eating gluten.

Are there certain meals or foods that you're having trouble finding? We can maybe help you out with brands so you don't have to go to so many grocery stores. Good luck - this does get easier.

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Thanks so much to everyone who responded to my breakdown. I do feel better than when I started gluten-free, but with still feeling weak and sick it's hard not to worry that something else is wrong or that I'm doing something wrong. Every time I hear that it took others several months to feel better gives me hope that things will be fine.

I've been eating pretty plainly because I can't have dairy and my system isn't handling some foods yet. I'm scared of 'regular' foods - even when the ingredients don't list anything bad, I'm never sure I can eat it. I had some Trader JOe's salsa verde and was pretty sick for four days and then had a two-day migraine; turned it was made in a plant that processed wheat! I'm also worried that I'm not getting the right foods or combination foods to stay healthy. I don't want to end up back in the hospital for malabsorption, malnutrition, and dehydration again-I thought I was eating ok then too.

Definately going to look for the corn tortilla brand kbtoyssni mentioned. Are there refried beans and salsas (I'd love the green kind) that have worked for you? The other thing I'd like to find is a bacon or sausage that's gluten-free.

I don't know what I do without this board!!

Thanks again for all the support.

Karen B. Explorer
Thanks so much to everyone who responded to my breakdown. I do feel better than when I started gluten-free, but with still feeling weak and sick it's hard not to worry that something else is wrong or that I'm doing something wrong. Every time I hear that it took others several months to feel better gives me hope that things will be fine.

I've been eating pretty plainly because I can't have dairy and my system isn't handling some foods yet. I'm scared of 'regular' foods - even when the ingredients don't list anything bad, I'm never sure I can eat it. I had some Trader JOe's salsa verde and was pretty sick for four days and then had a two-day migraine; turned it was made in a plant that processed wheat! I'm also worried that I'm not getting the right foods or combination foods to stay healthy. I don't want to end up back in the hospital for malabsorption, malnutrition, and dehydration again-I thought I was eating ok then too.

Definately going to look for the corn tortilla brand kbtoyssni mentioned. Are there refried beans and salsas (I'd love the green kind) that have worked for you? The other thing I'd like to find is a bacon or sausage that's gluten-free.

I don't know what I do without this board!!

Thanks again for all the support.

I remember my first year as pretty scary. The local Celiac group and place like this helped a lot but I remember telling my hubby that food isn't my friend, it's the enemy now. He was very supportive once he realized what I needed.

My favorite refried beans are the Taco Bell Fat Free Refried Beans in the can. Don't trust Taco Bell restaurants but the canned beans are gluten-free and quite good. I travel with these beans and crispy toastada shells for quick safe meals. (found a plastic box that fits the tostadas and fits in a corner of my "pantry" suitcase)

I've had good success with Hormel products from their gluten-free list (bacon and sausage are on the list)

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And the sausage I eat everyday is Butterball low fat turkey sausage. I liked the Jennie-O brand but can't find it anymore. Once in awhile, I'll splurge on regular sausage like I did Friday for a sausage chowder. I don't know why no one carries a low-fat, spicy sausage.

If you can have soy, have you tried Silk yet? The chocolate flavor is yummy but I buy the plain (I can add chocolate syrup if I want it). Chebe rolls and Tinkyada pasta are the two products I really wish someone had told me about up front. I didn't find out about them until I joined our local group.

I really wouldn't regret missing the dietician. Most of the ones I've spoken with have had little to no experience with Celiac. The dietician I spoke with when my Mom was in the hospital actually told me "but you'd know more about the gluten-free diet than I do." At least she was honest but a better answer would have ended with "tell me..."

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Thank you so much for the Hormel link! That's a lot of products that might be easier to find. And I'm definately going to look for the refried beans with the tortillas mentioned earlier in the thread.

I too wish there were a low-fat spicy sausage - I have great soup recipe for chick peas with andouille that would be gluten-free.

I use almond milk in cereal and smoothies but it's hard to find where I am; I haven't tried Silk yet but I think it's at the supermarket.

There are definately times when it feels like food (and medicines, etc) are my enemy. In some ways, it was easier to be sick. The cure is much harder and more frustrating - from the doctors to the food than I ever expected.

Karen B. Explorer
Thank you so much for the Hormel link! That's a lot of products that might be easier to find. And I'm definately going to look for the refried beans with the tortillas mentioned earlier in the thread.

I too wish there were a low-fat spicy sausage - I have great soup recipe for chick peas with andouille that would be gluten-free.

I use almond milk in cereal and smoothies but it's hard to find where I am; I haven't tried Silk yet but I think it's at the supermarket.

There are definately times when it feels like food (and medicines, etc) are my enemy. In some ways, it was easier to be sick. The cure is much harder and more frustrating - from the doctors to the food than I ever expected.

You might check for kosher meat markets in your area and call them. It's been my experience that they know what goes into their products more than most meat markets. I realize andouille is not a Jewish sausage, but it's a small world. :-)

BTW, if you make gumbo, my hubby uses Bob's Red Mill gluten-free All-Purpose Baking Flour for his roux and it works great! Open Original Shared Link

kevsmom Contributor

Welcome to our "family". This is a learning process, and with all of us pitching in, we can get through it!

Try theses sites:

Open Original Shared Link

Open Original Shared Link

I hope they are helpfult to you.

Cindy

gfpaperdoll Rookie

Welcome to the boards, don't forget to take a gluten free B12 everyday, I get Nature Made at Walgreens, sometimes they are on sale 1/2 price.

Also do not forget to snack. Sometimes when we go gluten-free we do not get hungry like we used to. So you have to remember to build in those snacks. Fruit with peanut butter or a piece of meat, or nuts is a good snack for me. I also like broccoli dipped in anything!!! I will even eat it with peanut butter!! I also recommend Lundberg Rice Chips, they are gluten free & have no cross contamination, they are sold at a lot of main stream groceries like Kroger & HEB or ask your grocer to order them.

Also WalMart house brand is labeled gluten-free. I get my Smuckers All Natural Peanut Butter there.

I am a master at those Mission Brand Tortillas, get the White Corn ones they are better. You can heat them in a skillet with a little olive oil & then put peanut butter & jelly on them add a piece of crispy bacon & roll up. You will be delighted. I sometimes have that for a Sat. or Sunday breakfast. You can also roll them up with chopped onion, mashed beans, chopped cilantro & any leftover meat. To make a pizza you can put bean dip on one top it with another tortilla & then put your tomato base & any cooked veggies & meat, heat in oven.

You can cut a stack of them in 4's & fry in hot olive oil for fresh chips to eat with a salsa dip or salad etc. I use Tostitos All Natural Salsa. You can also fry them in olive oil for taco shells, I just poke it down in the oil with a large stainless steel spoon & it curls up around the spoon making an imperfect taco shape but quite good. Now for the taco filling you can use anything, I have them a lot of times with no meat. I like to grate carrots to sprinkle on top instead of cheese. I use any of the following chopped lettuce or cabbage, tomatoes, red onions, bean dip, drained leftover heated pinto beans, chopped cilantro, salsa, chopped broccolli, jicama, or anything else you have !!!!

I use Extra Light Olive Oil for all my cooking.

If you are having problems please do not introduce any of the gluten free breads etc until you are better and can tell if they agree with you.

Think of the things your granmother would have made (assuming she cooked!) like English pea salad, deviled eggs, tuna salad, roast with carrots & onions that kind of thing.

If you like salads this is what I do, chop up a head of celery, a couple red or yellow bell peppers, grate a couple of carrots, chop a bunch of green onions, put in a tupperware container & put a bounty paper towel on top to absorb moisture. Then use that as a base for a salad, add greens & tomatoes, and broccolli, jicama, etc. I use kale as my green, it is very good for you & keeps a long time in the fridge, just tear out the center vein. you can also throw some of that mix in a skillet that you have browned an onion & garlic & then pour in a jar of spaghetti saucem heat & then eat over rice or a grilled chicken breast etc. freeze a serving for leter of just the sauce. You can also use that salad base in a stir fry, that is what I do towards the end of the week when it looks like it is starting to wilt. When you open the container wipe the moisture off the lid & replace the paper towel.

It will get easier when you learn to plan for leftovers and get your new routines down etc. Please post as many times as you need to. We are all happy to share. Let us know if anything that you are wanting to cook or your problems. Oh, well I do recommend those Gluten Free Pantry brownies for a treat, they freeze well also. Or some of us if we are desperate & cannot eat a grain etc just make a little batch of powdered sugar icing & eat a spoonful of that (I know it is bad but sometimes it is okay to be bad- right? B)

Lisa Mentor
Welcome to our "family". This is a learning process, and with all of us pitching in, we can get through it!

Try theses sites:

Open Original Shared Link

Open Original Shared Link

I hope they are helpfult to you.

Cindy

Cindy,

Thanks for the Newman's link. Just threw out my Family Italian Dressing. (Barley Malt Extract). Ugggg. two years of this and still learning.

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Oh this is a brilliant idea! I may have to drive a bit, but it would be worth it. I'm definately going to do it! I haven't made gumbo in years but I should again - I'm glad to know that the flour will make a roux well. I haven't played with flours at all.

thanks!

You might check for kosher meat markets in your area and call them. It's been my experience that they know what goes into their products more than most meat markets. I realize andouille is not a Jewish sausage, but it's a small world. :-)

BTW, if you make gumbo, my hubby uses Bob's Red Mill gluten-free All-Purpose Baking Flour for his roux and it works great! Open Original Shared Link

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Cindy, thank you for the links! I knew the popcorn was ok, but didn't know about the dressings.Sad about the Italian, I used to use it for a marinade...

I give myself B12 injections every other day; but I need to get a B-complex vitamin and I'll check out Nature Made. I'm surprised to hear about Lungberg Chips - I had assumed they must be cc since they were everywhere.

I can't eat raw veg or yet, unless it's juiced, but when I can (I hope soon!!) I'm going to try your salad base; also the ideas you give about fillings. I love kale (I juice it now). The paper towel is also a great idea - my salad greens usually ends up too damp and kind of gross at the end of the week.

Why avoid the gluten-free breads? Are some of them doubtful or cc?

Thanks so much for all the suggestions!

Welcome to the boards, don't forget to take a gluten free B12 everyday, I get Nature Made at Walgreens, sometimes they are on sale 1/2 price.

Also do not forget to snack. Sometimes when we go gluten-free we do not get hungry like we used to. So you have to remember to build in those snacks. Fruit with peanut butter or a piece of meat, or nuts is a good snack for me. I also like broccoli dipped in anything!!! I will even eat it with peanut butter!! I also recommend Lundberg Rice Chips, they are gluten free & have no cross contamination, they are sold at a lot of main stream groceries like Kroger & HEB or ask your grocer to order them.

Also WalMart house brand is labeled gluten-free. I get my Smuckers All Natural Peanut Butter there.

I am a master at those Mission Brand Tortillas, get the White Corn ones they are better. You can heat them in a skillet with a little olive oil & then put peanut butter & jelly on them add a piece of crispy bacon & roll up. You will be delighted. I sometimes have that for a Sat. or Sunday breakfast. You can also roll them up with chopped onion, mashed beans, chopped cilantro & any leftover meat. To make a pizza you can put bean dip on one top it with another tortilla & then put your tomato base & any cooked veggies & meat, heat in oven.

You can cut a stack of them in 4's & fry in hot olive oil for fresh chips to eat with a salsa dip or salad etc. I use Tostitos All Natural Salsa. You can also fry them in olive oil for taco shells, I just poke it down in the oil with a large stainless steel spoon & it curls up around the spoon making an imperfect taco shape but quite good. Now for the taco filling you can use anything, I have them a lot of times with no meat. I like to grate carrots to sprinkle on top instead of cheese. I use any of the following chopped lettuce or cabbage, tomatoes, red onions, bean dip, drained leftover heated pinto beans, chopped cilantro, salsa, chopped broccolli, jicama, or anything else you have !!!!

I use Extra Light Olive Oil for all my cooking.

If you are having problems please do not introduce any of the gluten free breads etc until you are better and can tell if they agree with you.

Think of the things your granmother would have made (assuming she cooked!) like English pea salad, deviled eggs, tuna salad, roast with carrots & onions that kind of thing.

If you like salads this is what I do, chop up a head of celery, a couple red or yellow bell peppers, grate a couple of carrots, chop a bunch of green onions, put in a tupperware container & put a bounty paper towel on top to absorb moisture. Then use that as a base for a salad, add greens & tomatoes, and broccolli, jicama, etc. I use kale as my green, it is very good for you & keeps a long time in the fridge, just tear out the center vein. you can also throw some of that mix in a skillet that you have browned an onion & garlic & then pour in a jar of spaghetti saucem heat & then eat over rice or a grilled chicken breast etc. freeze a serving for leter of just the sauce. You can also use that salad base in a stir fry, that is what I do towards the end of the week when it looks like it is starting to wilt. When you open the container wipe the moisture off the lid & replace the paper towel.

It will get easier when you learn to plan for leftovers and get your new routines down etc. Please post as many times as you need to. We are all happy to share. Let us know if anything that you are wanting to cook or your problems. Oh, well I do recommend those Gluten Free Pantry brownies for a treat, they freeze well also. Or some of us if we are desperate & cannot eat a grain etc just make a little batch of powdered sugar icing & eat a spoonful of that (I know it is bad but sometimes it is okay to be bad- right? B)

gfpaperdoll Rookie

when you read some of the books you will find that a diet of no grains is recommended. I can only state my own experience here, but I cannot tolerate anything except come rice or corn & I try not to eat those on the same day.

sorghum flour makes me really sick, crampy, D, headache, I have missed work a few Mondays from trying to eat my own homemade treats... Other people that I know that are celiac eat it just fine with no problems... Can't do potato flour either, really all the flours just make me sick, I have given up again on the baking... There are things that you can make with almond meal...

Anyway it is generally accepted that to get some healing going it is better to delay the mainstream gluten-free goodies for about 6 months, same thing with dairy, for you that would be really important, sorry I did not read earlier that you could not eat veggies etc unless juiced, I must have missed that, sometimes I skip to the end of the posts :o !

You might want to read up on Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) that is no grains. If you are really sick I think that you should also read up on that & the "Eat Right for Your Blood Type" book & read Danergous grains & Celiac Disease a Hidden Epidemic By Dr Peter Green, & I like the book Super Foods by Steve Pratt, M.D., not a gluten-free book, but a good refresher in nutrition. Be aware of the nightshade family of foods, & from all that see what fits you best, everyone is so different in what they tolerate.

Karen B. Explorer
Cindy,

Thanks for the Newman's link. Just threw of my Family Italian Dressing. (Barley Malt Extract). Ugggg. two years of this and still learning.

It is frustrating. I still get zinged now and then too.

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Thanks for the rsponse. It's all so confusing! I seem to be pretty good on rice, but I'm wondering if I'm reacting to potatoes right now as I seem to have D and other symptoms when I eat them. I've been trying various breads, but I don't eat that much of them, just a sandwich or two during the week. I think I'll drop the bread for a little while and see if that helps.

My gut seems to have gotten pretty badly beat up - it's amazing how you can get used to anything, even constant pain, reflux, and D - without me really knowing. I don't think it can hurt to be nice to it as long as I make sure I'm getting fiber somewhere and other nutrients. I have the Dangerous Grains book, and Peter green's book Hidden Epidemic. I'll

look for Pratt's book next time I can - I've been reading about nutrition (not necessarily gluten-free) a lot lately, so that's a great addition to my list. And I'm off to google the SCD.

My posts are too long - I'm not surprised you missed a minor detail! I think it's because my cat has as yet shown no interest in Celiac disease ... even though she's living the gluten-free lifestyle too ;) ! Thanks for all the detailed repsonse, much appreciated.

when you read some of the books you will find that a diet of no grains is recommended. I can only state my own experience here, but I cannot tolerate anything except come rice or corn & I try not to eat those on the same day.

sorghum flour makes me really sick, crampy, D, headache, I have missed work a few Mondays from trying to eat my own homemade treats... Other people that I know that are celiac eat it just fine with no problems... Can't do potato flour either, really all the flours just make me sick, I have given up again on the baking... There are things that you can make with almond meal...

Anyway it is generally accepted that to get some healing going it is better to delay the mainstream gluten-free goodies for about 6 months, same thing with dairy, for you that would be really important, sorry I did not read earlier that you could not eat veggies etc unless juiced, I must have missed that, sometimes I skip to the end of the posts :o !

You might want to read up on Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) that is no grains. If you are really sick I think that you should also read up on that & the "Eat Right for Your Blood Type" book & read Danergous grains & Celiac Disease a Hidden Epidemic By Dr Peter Green, & I like the book Super Foods by Steve Pratt, M.D., not a gluten-free book, but a good refresher in nutrition. Be aware of the nightshade family of foods, & from all that see what fits you best, everyone is so different in what they tolerate.

gfpaperdoll Rookie

White potatoes are in the "Nightshade" family. You might skip them for the time being, this does not mean that you cannot try them again later... try using sweet potatoes, you can bake them or fry them in extra light olive oil like french frys or bake them in the oven (french fry cut) with a little olive oil & fresh herbs.

Sounds like you might have a problem with Lectins. Read that book "eat right for you Blood Type".

jerseyangel Proficient

Just an FYI on the Lundberg Rice Chips--they are not made in a gluten-free facility. I inquired about them recently, and was told that the Rice Chips and the Rice Express are the only products that are not made in a dedicated facility. :)

Karen B. Explorer
Oh this is a brilliant idea! I may have to drive a bit, but it would be worth it. I'm definately going to do it! I haven't made gumbo in years but I should again - I'm glad to know that the flour will make a roux well. I haven't played with flours at all.

thanks!

Another member of our local group told me he thickens his gumbo with cooking okra down. If you find you can't hadnle gluten-free flours just yet, that's another option.

Also, if you like spicy, you might try Tasty Bites. They have some good Indian meals in a pouch. They were a mainstay of mine when I first went gluten-free. Didn't have time to do a lot of cooking.

rjne2nd Rookie

:huh: I am a recent celiac Diagnosis and I can already relate to how hard this is! I have been trying to be gluten-free for close to two week now and I can really tell a difference.. and yet there are times that my stomach still bloats up and i feel pain all over! How long does it take to get to a Different place? I am 46, 17 year ago they suspected I had the disease but everyone including the physicians Poo pood it! The bx was positive back then and is now for celiac.. the genetic test showed i was in a small population of people who could have celiac so my new GI Dr encouraged me to go gluten-free! Please if anyone has any encouragement or advice please help... I guess I have as positive a diagnosis for celiac as i can get.. I just need to understand emotionally that this diet is necessary for me now and the rest of my life!

Help? In Ft Wayne

kbtoyssni Contributor

Heeehee, just noticed I had a typo in my post :) I meant to say I ate corn CHIPS with cheese, not corn TORTILLAS. So the corn chip brand is tostitos. Tostitos are made by Frito-Lay - here's a list of all their gluten-free food: Open Original Shared Link

Try Mission-brand corn tortillas, they are gluten-free. I buy more mexican-style tortillas ($2 for 36), but I can't remember the brand off the top.

Pace and Tostitos brand salsas are gluten-free.

For bacon, Oscar Meyer is gluten-free (they're owned by Kraft so they'll label if there's gluten. Most of their bacon contains caramel color, but it's gluten-free). Johnsonville brand is mostly gluten-free, too.

I remember the days of looking at things and just not knowing if I could eat it. It's pretty frustrating because it's impossible to make anything! I started putting aside all my "questionable" foods and calling one or two companies a day (or coming on here to research the brand). Just calling a few a day makes things more manageable. And don't worry too much about the mess-ups. We all had plenty of them in the first few months, but you learn quickly.

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    • Theresa2407
      Usually when I digest gluten or wheat I have a 4 hour window before reacting.  If it is immediate it may be an intollerence to another food.  Dairy, Frutose, and bacteria (SIBO) will react with many of the celiac disease symtoms.Has your Doctor ran a  Fructose test which is measuring your Fruit Sugar?  A Hydrogen Beath Test which checks your intestinal bacteria and Dairy?After my biopsy and blood work, these (3) tests were also ran, along with allergy tests, which allery test was sent out of State.  It was a mouth swab. How fast you heal depends on the diet you are following… The following are my personal recommendations to healing. I talk to many newly diagnosed people who start the gluten-free diet with pasta, breads, snacks, and pizza. After a month or so, they do not know why they don’t feel any better and still are sick with their original symptoms: They worry the diet is not working for them. For some there may be other factors involved, but most just aren’t letting their body heal properly. I blame the internet, and misinformation it contains. People want a quick fix, not realizing this is a life long disease. They need a good support group, with people who have been through this and knows what works!  This is what I have found will work for you.                                                                                            First 6 weeks should be:                                                                                                                                 lean meat (beef, pork, chicken, turkey, salmon, sardines, buffalo, deer)                                                   fresh vegetables (steamed or roasted with a little Olive Oil) with 2 cups per day being raw (5 servings; a serving is 1/2 cup)                                                                                                                                      fresh fruit (3 servings; include strawberries, blackberries and blueberries daily)  Makes good shakes with Almond milk.                                                                                                                                        A hand full of almonds daily (pecans and walnuts can be substituted)                                                        brown rice, lentils, Citrucel daily (or the equivalent) Good source of fiber. I use Calm because my body doesn’t absorb Magnesium and I only need to take once in evening.                                                    No dairy of any kind (milk, cheese, yogurt, No breads, No past,  No oats, No pizza, No gluten-free beer, No snacks like cake, biscuits, pies, donuts.                                                                                                Many dietitians will tell you to follow a gluten free diet but you have to heal first. Don’t misunderstand me, dietitians are our friends and help us.                                                                                              10% of people with gluten-free will be intolerant to dairy                                                                                  10% can not tolerate oats                                                                                                                     After the six weeks, you can start to add these foods back into your diet. 1 new food every 4 days; this way you know if you react to this food.                                                                                                  Oats shouldn’t be tried for 1 year after being diagnosed; then start with 1/3 of a cup. Only gluten-free Oats are acceptable.                                                                                                                                              You should have results within 3 days of following a correct healing diet. Bloating should be leaving, migraines should be gone. Might take bowels a little longer to respond. If you start with 5 times a day on the Citrucel and cut back as your bowels return to normal; then use 1 Tbsp. daily. This works if you have constipation or diarrhea.                                                                                                        Meanwhile make sure you have had a Dexa test (bone density) and a blood test to check your vitamin and mineral levels: Zinc, D,K,B,C and iron levels.                                                                                  Don't take supplements while healing as your body is not accepting them and they will flush through your body.                                                                                                                                              Have you had a breath test for Dairy, Fructose, and bacteria overgrowth? Should have done when first diagnosed.                                                                                                                                        How fast you heal depends on the diet you are following… The following are my personal recommendations to healing. I talk to many newly diagnosed people who start the gluten-free diet with pasta, breads, snacks, and pizza. After a month or so, they do not know why they don’t feel any better and still are sick with their original symptoms: They worry the diet is not working for them. For some there may be other factors involved, but most just aren’t letting their body heal properly. I blame the internet, and misinformation it contains. People want a quick fix, not realizing this is a life long disease. They need a good support group, with people who have been through this and knows what works! This is what I have found will work for you. First 6 weeks should be: lean meat (beef, pork, chicken, turkey, salmon, sardines, buffalo, deer) fresh vegetables (steamed or roasted with a little Olive Oil) with 2 cups per day being raw (5 servings; a serving is 1/2 cup) fresh fruit (3 servings; include strawberries, blackberries and blueberries daily) a hand full of almonds daily (pecans and walnuts can be substituted) brown rice lentils Citrucel daily (or the equivalent) Good source of fiber. No dairy of any kind (milk, cheese, yogurt) No breads No pasta No oats No pizza No gluten-free beer No snacks like cake, biscuits, pies, donuts. Many dietitians will tell you to follow a gluten free diet but you have to heal first. Don’t misunderstand me, dietitians are our friends and help us. 10% of people with gluten-free will be intolerant to dairy 10% can not tolerate oats After the six weeks, you can start to add these foods back into your diet. 1 new food every 4 days; this way you know if you react to this food. Oats shouldn’t be tried for 1 year after being diagnosed; then start with 1/3 of a cup. Only gluten-free Oats are acceptable. You should have results within 3 days of following a correct healing diet. Bloating should be leaving, migraines should be gone. Might take bowels a little longer to respond. If you start with 5 times a day on the Citrucel and cut back as your bowels return to normal; then use 1 Tbsp. daily. This works if you have constipation or diarrhea. Meanwhile make sure you have had a Dexa test (bone density) and a blood test to check your vitamin and mineral levels: Zinc, D,K,B,C and iron levels. Don't take supplements while healing as your body is not accepting them and they will flush through your body. Have you had a breath test for Dairy, Fructose, and bacteria overgrowth? Should have done when first diagnosed. Remember to have a tTg IgA blood test repeated at 6 months then every year after, with another scope done in 3 years. Only way to know if you are healed. I don’t have all the answers; we are learning everyday new ways of doing things, but this is a start! Remember to have a tTg IgA EMA blood test repeated at 6 months then every year after 
    • Wheatwacked
      Marsh 3b is the Gold Standard of diagnosis for Celiac Disease.  Until recently, regardless of antibody tests, positive or negative, you had to have Marsh 3 damage to be awarded the diagnosis of Celiac. As I understand you,  you were having constant symptoms..  Your symptoms improved on GFD, with occassional flare ups. Did your doctor say you do and you are questioning the diagnosis? Regarding your increasing severity when you get glutened it is "normal".  Gluten acts on the Opiod receptors to numb your body.  Some report withdrawal symptoms on GFD.  I was an alcoholic for 30 years, about 1/2 pint of voda a day. Each time I identified a trigger and dealt with it, a new trigger would pop up.  Even a 30 day rehab stint, with a low fat diet (severe pancreatis) during which I rarely had cravings.  Stopped at a Wendys on the way home and the next day I was drinking again.  20 years later, sick as a dog, bedridden on Thanksgiving, after months of reasearch, I realized that gluten free was my Hail Mary.  Back in 1976 my son was diagnosed at weaning by biopsy with Celiac Disease and his doctor suggested my wife and I should also be gluten free because it is genetic.  At 25 years old I felt no gastro problems and promised if I ever did I would try gluten free.  Well, I forgot that promise until I was 63 and my wife 10 years dead.  Three days of gluten and alcohol free, I could no longer tolerate alcohol. Eleven years gluten and alcohol free, with no regrets. Improvement was quick, but always two steps forward and one back.  Over time I found nineteen symptoms that I had been living with for my entire life, that doctors had said, "We don't know why, but that is normal for some people". Celiac Disease causes multiple vitamin and mineral deficiency.  It is an autoimmune disease, meaning your immune system B and T cells create antibodies against ttg(2) in the small intestine in Celiac Disease, and sometimes ttg(3) in skin in Dermatitis Herpetiformus.  'Why' is poorly understood.  In fact, it wasn't even known that wheat, barley and rye gluten was the cause.  Celiac Disease was also called Infantilism, because it was deadly, and believed to only be a childhood disease. So, as part of your recovery you must deal with those deficiencies.  Especially vitamin D because it contols your immune system.  Virtually all newly diagnosed Celiacs have vitamin D deficiency.  There are about 30 vitamin and minerals that are absorbed in the small intestine.  With Marsh 3 damage you may be eating the amount everyone else does, but you are not absorbing them into your system, so you will display symptoms of their deficiency.   As time passes and you replenish your deficiencies you may notice other symptoms improve, some you did not even know were symptoms. Our western diet has many deficiencies built into it.   That is the reason foods with gluten are fortified.  Gluten free processed food are not required to fortify.  Vitamin D, Iodine, choline.  The B vitamins, especially Thiamine (B1) run deficient quickly.  We only store enough thiamine for 2 weeks so the symptoms of Gastrointestinal BeriBeri can come and go quickly.  Magnesium, zinc, etc. each having its own symptoms affecting multiple systems.  High homocystene, an indicator of vascular inflamation can be cause by deficient Choline, folate, B6 and or B12.  Brain fog symptoms by deficient choline, iodine, thiamine B1. Dietary intake of choline and phosphatidylcholine and risk of type 2 diabetes in men: The Kuopio Ischaemic Heart Disease Risk Factor Study  
    • Rogol72
      I cut out the rice because it was affecting my stomach at the time ... not necessarily dermatitis herpetiformis. It was Tilda Basmati Rice, sometimes wholegrain rice. I was willing to do whatever it took to heal. Too much fiber also disagrees with me as I have UC.
    • trents
      But you didn't answer my question. When you consume gluten, is there an identifiable reaction within a short period of time, say a few hours?
    • Scott Adams
      You can still have celiac disease with negative blood test results, although it's not very common:  Clinical and genetic profile of patients with seronegative coeliac disease: the natural history and response to gluten-free diet: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5606118/  Seronegative Celiac Disease - A Challenging Case: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9441776/  Enteropathies with villous atrophy but negative coeliac serology in adults: current issues: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34764141/   
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