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Anyone With Upper Right Quadrant Chest Pain?

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My husband has been gluten free for 2 yrs (self diagnosed gluten intolerant/celiac)...with the occasional glutening. The first 6 months gluten free were rough on him...as his D finally went away and his daily indigestion but then he started having what we believe were gall bladder attacks. Being the man he is he didn't go to the doctor so I started researching and figured his attacks were indeed gall bladder and adjusted his diet for a bit which seemed to help. Eventually those right sided under the lower rib passing out painful attacks went away. He had slight tenderness for quite a few months before and after the attacks but that has gone away as well. Anyway, for the past couple of weeks he's having a pain in his upper right quadrant...chest area. Worse in the morning upon waking...and then lingers not as bad during the day. It also sometimes hurts under his shoulder blade a bit too (right side) and sometimes hurts if he takes a deep breath. I've researched a bit and this and most seems to come back to gallbladder, pancreas or liver problems. Anyone have any insight on this. Once again...being the man that he is...he is reluctant to visit a physician. The only thing that scares me is his father passed away from pancreatic cancer....so it's why I'd really want him to see a physician...though I don't think pancreatic cancer would present with those symptoms...but maybe pancreatic conditions could (which maybe his father had and it went undetected). Any suggestions out there? I do wonder about him getting low levels of CC here in our household because we are not a gluten free house just yet. Come December 16th after me and the kids are tested for celiac then will our household become completely gluten free. So I actually wonder if he's having lots of inflammation because of low levels of CC. He said he is also waking up with numb hands...like his funny bone was being compressed but then it goes away after he shakes them a bit.

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He needs to go see a doctor. His symptoms could be something serious...so make the appointment for him and go along with him. Some shoulder pain can be indicative of internal bleeding also. The fact that the pain came and then went away...and now it's changed means he needs a medical professional.

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I agree.....he does need to see a physician. He is just the most super stubborn man against doctors ever. If I made that appointment...he wouldn't go. However, if I can somehow get enough information to convince him why he needs to go...then maybe just maybe he'll man up and take that visit to the dr. Thanks for the info. He also just can understand why he would get this chest pain from a problem with the pancreas, gall bladder or liver..when it's no where near that area. Any ideas as to what to tell him?

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The more I read and ask him questions...I think he is suffering from Costochondritis. Hmmmm....

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