Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Advice Re Low Carb, Moderate Protein, High Fat Diet?


love2travel

Recommended Posts

love2travel Mentor

After seeing numerous articles, TV shows, etc. on this topic my husband and I are going LCHF for several reasons:

 

1.  Sugar is inflammatory - I would love to lose this horrid 24/7 pain!

2.  Prevent diabetes and Alzheimer's

3.  Improve short-term memory

4.  Weight loss

5.  Become healthier - I eat WAYYYYYYYYYYYY too many carbs!

 

So, it seems as though this is sort of primal or paleo but yet not exactly.  I have seen this called the Swedish diet. 

 

Any tips and experience or favourite websites to share?  This is going to be difficult not having rice, potatoes, bananas, etc. but we are both very motivated to do this.  And I rather like the idea of bacon and eggs regularly!  :lol:


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



pricklypear1971 Community Regular

For baking, Elana's Pantry is a good place to start.

love2travel Mentor

Thank you.  I have skimmed many posts re certain diets without really paying much attention but now I am.  Actually, I am not calling it "diet" but rather a lifestyle change in the right direction!

moosemalibu Collaborator

The website I Breathe... I'm Hungry is great for low carb high fat menu ideas. A lot of it is gluten free too.

 

Open Original Shared Link

love2travel Mentor

Thanks a bunch!   I thought you might have some advice.  :)

moosemalibu Collaborator

Thanks a bunch!   I thought you might have some advice.  :)

I do love food. Although I am eating high carb high protein low fat right now. But.... my body doesn't seem to like anything right now. I am not digesting my food that great lately. Taking my enzymes,etc but still see some undigested food in the toilet (gross..sorry!)

 

I keep reminding myself that I am still healing. But it's so demotivating to have chronic D when I used to have beautiful,normal BM my entire life. Sigh. One day at a time. Let us know how the lifestyle change goes!

GF Lover Rising Star

Here is a list of Anti-Inflammatory foods.  It could help you with some food choices,  Good luck starting your new Life Style !

 

Open Original Shared Link

 

Colleen


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



IrishHeart Veteran

It's called the PALEO diet. I am doing it to reduce inflammation too.

(and lose the 40 lbs. I gained post DX).

 

I am on it right now. So is J.

 

Glad to have the company! :)

 

I like this chick's book and blog (in addition to reading Robb Wolf's book and visiting Elana's Pantry)

 

Open Original Shared Link

 

P.S. why didn't ya just ask me, sweets ? I thought you knew I had gone "all Paleo" ...LOL

love2travel Mentor

I knew you were on paleo but the one I am doing is called ketogenic.  The % fat is 65-70, 20-25 protein and 10 carbs (our goal is 50g).  Is this similar to paleo?  I am still in the research stage and have much to learn.  :P   What percentage breakdowns are you doing?  We began today by eliminating sugar.  We are both excited to begin this new journey but admittedly will miss some of our favourite things.  The high fat portion is absolutely the opposite of what we have known all our lives and so foreign.  But BACON!  :lol:   And whipping cream.  And butter.  And chicken skin.  And lots of cheese!  :wub:

IrishHeart Veteran

I knew you were on paleo but the one I am doing is called ketogenic.  The % fat is 65-70, 20-25 protein and 10 carbs (our goal is 50g).  Is this similar to paleo?  I am still in the research stage and have much to learn.  :P   What percentage breakdowns are you doing?  We began today by eliminating sugar.  We are both excited to begin this new journey but admittedly will miss some of our favourite things.  The high fat portion is absolutely the opposite of what we have known all our lives and so foreign.  But BACON!  :lol:   And whipping cream.  And butter.  And chicken skin.  And lots of cheese!  :wub:

 

Paleo is meat, fish, poultry, wild game, eggs, nuts, veggies, fruit and  good fats like: avocado, coconut oil. Olive oil 

 

No dairy. 

No refined sugar.

No grains.

No legumes.

 

It's not exactly my cup o'tea, but I am giving it a good solid trial run.

love2travel Mentor

Thanks for explaining.  Ketogenic is similar except that it allows dairy and lots of it but only high-fat dairy which excludes milk.  So, we have begun to drink unsweetened coconut and almond milks.  Who would have thought that 1% dairy milk contains 12 g carbs and the coconut and almond only 1g?  I didn't!  :o

moosemalibu Collaborator

Paleo is meat, fish, poultry, wild game, eggs, nuts, veggies, fruit and  good fats like: avocado, coconut oil. Olive oil 

 

No dairy. 

No refined sugar.

No grains.

No legumes.

 

It's not exactly my cup o'tea, but I am giving it a good solid trial run.

 

Yep. This is a great definition. Some people even go as far as to only eat what is grown locally in there area.

love2travel Mentor

This stuff is all so new to me.  Never in a million years did I think I would embark on such a "diet"!  But I am.  :)  Thanks for your support and advice.  Today is only Day 2 (sounds like the gluten thing all over again) but it is a start.

GFinDC Veteran

Hi Lovely Traveler,

 

You might want to limit the fruit also.  Fruits have natural sugars which are carbs.  So, kinda shoots down the ketogenic diet there.  The idea of the ketogenic diet is to switch the body from carb burning mode to fat burning mode.  So the fewer carbs the better.  In theory.  Theories are great!  :blink:

 

Well, basically eat bunches of meat and veggies and nuts and not much else.  Eggs are ok too.  Marks Daily Apple is paleo centric so a good site to look at.  http://www.marksdailyapple.com/%C2'> Of course you can roast your meats on a big open fire pit or do some kind of slow cooker dealie.  There is no restriction on how to prepare your meals there.  Lots of room to experiment in fact.

frieze Community Regular

berries are generally lower on the glycemic scale, I think.....

answerseeker Enthusiast

I'm going to be trying low FODMAP to see if I improve. I'm still having "issues" and inflammation is my nemisis. my lungs, my "bottom", my joints are all inflamed right now. not a happy camper :(

 

Dr. Oz just had a segment on how certain carbs are related to alzheimers disease and memory issues in general. take a look at his website and you can watch the episode.

IrishHeart Veteran

berries are generally lower on the glycemic scale, I think.....

 

Indeed! ;) 

love2travel Mentor

Yes, we are really restricting our fruits (sadly) and starchy vegetables, of course.  Today is only Day 3 and I feel irritable, sort of ill and really, really crave something sweet.  Am guessing it is withdrawal.  What sweet things do you eat?  I made cinnamon bun muffins yesterday (decent) and Oopsie bread today (not nearly as good as I was hoping a) but really wish I could have grapes or apples or something.   :wacko:

 

We really enjoyed our bacon and eggs this morning, though!  :lol:

 

BUT I WANT FRUITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!  

GFinDC Veteran

Here's some recipes for ya.

 

Open Original Shared Link

 

I don't eat paleo myself.  Tried it for a while and it didn't seem to help me.

love2travel Mentor

Thanks.  I have been using this site for a few recipes and am making cheese biscuits and crackers this afternoon.  For some reason I was not thinking of net carbs earlier but total carbs.  Net carbs really makes a difference in things such as fruits which makes me a happy girl.  :wub:

 

My plan is to give this a good three months and note any changes. 

IrishHeart Veteran

 

My plan is to give this a good three months and note any changes. 

 

Dear B,

If it is encouraging at all, I have been doing this Paleo diet since Dec. 13th and I can report some things to you.

As we share the same  residual symptoms post DX, maybe it will help? :) 

 

I had  very definite w/d from sugar,  gluten-free grains, legumes and dairy. No doubt about it.

Headache, tummy aches, weirdo bowel stuff,--alternating D and C,   feeling like a grouchypants, facial breakouts,

strange weakness while trying to exercise, nausea while trying to exercise, fatigue, bad breath--geesh!. (I understand that is ketosis)

Really wicked cravings for chocolate, salty things, bready things. ugh!

That is stopped, pretty much and my breath is kissy sweet once more  :lol: 

Good stuff: I don't feel like a stuffed sausage inside my own skin anymore. Giant tummy bloat

is going down, slowly. My rings turn around on my hands, LOL. 

I don't feel so fat and stuffed and sore in my gut after every single meal. I was really starting to not enjoy eating again

because I felt so horrible after eating. That is not a good thing for food peeps like us LOL

Feel clear in my head.

No afternoon flagging, then surging (which is insulin spikes in me).

My sleep is not interrupted 5-6 times a night. I awaken refreshed.

 

I went to the gym today and felt much better. If the miracle happens and we both get out of this continual pain, won't we

be happy campers?

 

I find it very interesting that Robb Wolf (the paleo guy whose book I read) mentions his mother's health history in the beginning

chapters and as I read it, I said to myself, "That woman is a celiac!". As it turns out, yes, indeed she is. And he was withering away and in pain himself before he went paleo. He is the picture of health.

 

Stay the course, my friend. Maybe this is our answer. I should have stuck with it when I tried it before right after DX, but I had no patience back then and the call of the G F baked goods was too strong.

<_<  :D 

 

nvsmom Community Regular

I've dabbled in keto diets but full off the wagon over Halloween and the holidays and never stayed the course long enough to get into ketogenesis. I plan on doing a fast in a week, after I have had some lab work done, and then embracing low carbs again.

 

These sites were a bit helpful to me:

Open Original Shared Link

Open Original Shared Link

Open Original Shared Link

 

I loved this doctor's site on her experiences:

Open Original Shared Link

 

I used fitness pal to tweak my diet to get it into the right ratios

Open Original Shared Link

 

I like the Fast Diet at it follows the same principles as the keto diet - mainly that burning fat is good. It can help you get into ketosis faster.

Open Original Shared Link

Open Original Shared Link

 

I found getting into the diet - getting used to it and dealing with sugar withdrawal - was the painful part. Once I got used to it, I felt quite good, better than I normally do while eating carbs. A short fast of 1-3 days can help you get into ketosis in a matter of days rather than weeks. I ate a LOT of nuts, meats, eggs, avocado, seeds and coconut cream. I had a green smoothie most days with a minimal amount of fruit... I'm not a fruit lover though.

love2travel Mentor

OK.  It has been ten days and I have no more energy than before, nor do I feel better otherwise.  Have not lost an ounce but trying to be patient about that one.  I would have thought that results from rapidly and seriously decreasing carbs would be in evidence but perhaps it is a bit like the gluten thing where resolution can take ages.  Is that the case?  Just wondering whether I am doing something wrong.  Oh, and I am always famished.  Trying to fill up on good fats but it seems as though my stomach is an endless pit!  Both my husband and I are sleeping poorly (my husband always sleeps - he could sleep on a concrete slab in the middle of traffic in Delhi).  I do not intend to be a whiner but basically am wondering whether this is normal or whether in your esteemed (!!) opinions something should be tweaked/changed/adjusted.  ;) 

IrishHeart Veteran

Sounds like some major withdrawal and body changes going on to me. 

 

I am still wonky myself, but J feels fine. Go figure.

 

"They say" it takes at least 1-3 months for changes to occur..??..hang in there.

 

Wait a month before weighing yourself. Your body will become a fat burning machine "They say"

 

I feel less hungry this week. In fact, I am not hungry at all and force myself to eat at times. 

love2travel Mentor

Sounds like some major withdrawal and body changes going on to me. 

 

I am still wonky myself, but J feels fine. Go figure.

 

"They say" it takes at least 1-3 months for changes to occur..??..hang in there.

 

Wait a month before weighing yourself. Your body will become a fat burning machine "They say"

 

I feel less hungry this week. In fact, I am not hungry at all and force myself to eat at times.

Thanks for the encouragement! My patience is growing thin (ha) as I have read about loads of people who see improvements quickly. But mine is a body ravaged by celiac which makes me even more...uh...special.

Happy to hear you are no longer hungry. That gives me hope as well.

There. Focus is officially shifting from this stuff to several unread books that I am itching to read!

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - Wheatwacked replied to Midwesteaglesfan's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      1

      Going for upper endoscopy today

    2. - Midwesteaglesfan posted a topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      1

      Going for upper endoscopy today

    3. - marlene333 replied to Grace Good's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      3

      Bee balm lipbalm not gluten free

    4. - Mari replied to Jmartes71's topic in Coping with Celiac Disease
      4

      Related issues


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):



  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      132,267
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Kristine Ryder
    Newest Member
    Kristine Ryder
    Joined

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):


  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):





  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):



  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • Wheatwacked
      Hello @Midwesteaglesfan and welcome. A result greater than 10 U/mL is considered positive. Some labs use 15 as the cutoff, but 34 is in the positive.  The endoscopy and biopsy is looking for damage to your small intestine.  I don't don't think 5 days is enough to repair the damage. This comment is effectly your answer, regardless of your biopsy results.  The endoscopy has been the Gold Standard diagnostic, and most healthcare providers won't diagnose celiac disease until your intestinal lining Marsh Score reaches stage 3. You don't really want to wait for the damage to get worse, especially since only five days mostly gluten free gave you relief.  Yes, migranes is one of the 200 symptoms that may be caused by Celiac Disease. Malabsorption Syndrome is often comorbid with celiac disease.  The western diet is deficient in many vitamins and minerals.  That's why gluten processed foods are fortified.  Gluten free processed foods are not; Vitamin D deficiency is a virtual given.  40 to 60% of the industrial population is deficient in vitamin D, Damage to the intestinal lining from celiac disease can decrease the number of vitamin D receptors.  So now you get no vitamin D from the sun (skin cancer scare) the major source of vitamin D, plus absorbtion from food is poor because of intestinal damage.   Low iodine intake is getting more of a concern because the major source of iodine used to be bread (dough conditioner with iodine was stopped in the US in the 1970s), dairy (lactose intolerance from eating quick pickles with vinegar instead of fermented pickles which supply lactase excreting lactobacillus to improve Lactose intolerance. Commercial Dairies have wheat, barley and rye added to the cow feed. Some say they are sensitive to milk protein, but it is the gluten added to supplement the cow feed to increase milk production that becomes part of the milk protein causing the problem.  And people use less iodized salt.  In the US intake of iodine dropped 50% from 1970 to 1984. Switch to Grass fed only milk and consider supplementing Liquid Iodine drops to your diet.  The omega 6 to omega 3 ratio of commercial milk is 5:1; Organic milk is 3:1 and grass fed milk is 1:1. The typical western diet is around 14:1, optimum for humans is 1:1.  Wheat flour is 22:1 omega 6:3.  Choose vegetables lower in omega 6, it is inflammatory. Eat fermented foods and switch to Grass fed only milk.  Some say they are sensitive to milk protein, but it is the gluten added to supplement the cow feed to increase milk production that becomes part of the milk protein.   
    • Midwesteaglesfan
      At 41 years old I have been fighting fatigue and joint pain for a couple months.  My family doctor kept saying nothing was wrong but I was insistent that I just didn’t feel right.  Finally after running several blood labs, one came back showing inflammation in my body and I was referred to a rheumatologist.  He was extremely thorough and sat with me and my family for a good hour asking questions and listening. He ordered X-rays of all my joints and more bloodwork.  He suspected some sort of reactive inflammatory arthritis.  My TTG (Tissue Transglutaminase) came back at 34. he told me to try going gluten free and out me on Salfasalzin to help the join inflammation.  Over the next couple days going gluten free and doing a lot of research and talking to people with celiacs,  we found that I should have an upper endoscopy for insurance purposes in the future.  I reached back out to my rheumatologist and expressed this concern and he got back to me stating I was correct and resume regular gluten diet and stop the medication until after that scope.     They were able to schedule me in for 2 days later.  I had been gluten free, or as close to it as I could be for about 5 days.  I know I ate some brats with it but wanted to use them up.  My symptoms had gotten slightly better in those 5 days.  I felt less fatigue and joint pain was slightly better(it had gotten really bad) so for these last 2 days I’ve gone crazy with wheat bread, pasta and such.  I’m hoping those 5 days didn’t screw this endoscopy up.  I can’t imagine after a life of gluten, my intestines healed in 5 days and after eating gluten again for these couple days,  my stomach hurts, joint pain is coming back up so I know the inflammation is there.   Hinesight after this diagnosis, I have had chronic migraines since my late teens.  Has that been a lingering symptom of celiacs all these years?  I’ve never really had the stomach issues, for me it came in heavy these last couple months as the fatigue, just always feeling tired and exhausted.  And the joint pain.     So getting in the car for the 2 hour drive to the hospital for this scope now.     Wish me luck!
    • marlene333
      To play it safe, use Vasoline Lip Therapy. No questions as to it containing gluten.
    • Mari
      jmartes, Thank you for sharing  more information with us. Most of us Celiacs whose problems do not clear up with in a few years have to decide what to do next. We can keep seeing DR.s and hope that we will get some  medication or advice that will improve our health. Or we can go looking for other ways to improve our health. Usually Celiac Disease is not a killer disease, it is a disabling disease as  you have found out. You have time to find some ways to help you recover. Stay on your gluten-free diet and be more careful in avoiding cross contamination . KnittyKitty  and others here can give you advice about avoiding some foods that can give you the gluten auto immune reaction and advice about vitamins and supplement that help celiacs. You may need to take higher doses of Vit. B12  and D3.  About 20 years before a Dr. suggested I might have Celiac disease I had health problems that all other Dr said they could not identify or treat. I was very opposed to alternative providers and treatments. So many people were getting help from a local healer I decided to try that out. It was a little helpful but then, because I had a good education in medical laboraties she gave me a book  to read and what did I think. With great skeptism I started reading and before I was half way through it I began using the methods outlined in the book. Using those herbs and supplements I went from hardly able to work to being able to work almost fulltime. I still use that program. But because I had undiagnosed celiac disease by 10 years later some  of my problems returned and I started to loose weight.    So how does a person find a program that will benefit them? Among the programs you can find online there are many that are snake oil scams and some that will be beneficial. by asking around, as I did. Is there an ND in your area? Do they reccomend that person? If you would like to read about the program I use go to www.drclark.net   
    • Scott Adams
      It's unfortunate that they won't work with you on this, but in the end sometimes we have to take charge of our own health--which is exactly what happened to me. I did finally get the tests done, but only after years of going down various rabbit holes and suffering. Just quitting gluten may be the best path for you at this point.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.