Udi's gluten-free Bagels And Severe Nausea?

[missingpasta]

Hi all,

I am new to this site and finding it immensely helpful! I have been gluten-free for 3 months (except for a couple of binges which I paid for!) and feeling much better. I lately found Udi's products and love the taste and texture. However, I purchased a pack of plain bagels to try recently and have had a severe case of nausea (without actual vomiting) and stomach pain each time I have eaten them. I have had 3 bagels and the same reaction each time. I have eaten them for breakfast and the symptoms start about 30 minutes after and last 10 to 12 hours. Along with the nausea I experience sweating, shaking and inability to concentrate - all of which could be caused by the severe nausea...who can think clearly when they feel they could vomit at any moment?

Obviously, I am not going to eat any more of the bagels, but nothing else has done this to me and I don't see anything in the ingredients which might cause this.

Anyone else experience this or have any info that might help?

Thanks so much!

[modiddly16]

There is a thread on here that discusses this. You're not alone. You will, however, get bombarded by people on this thread telling you that you have to have another intolerence aside from gluten. I don't have any other intolerances and am just convinced that despite Udi's being a trusted gluten free company that I love...I cannot handle their products.

[GlutenFreeManna]

Are you toasting them in a toaster previously used for gluten foods?

[GlutenFreeManna]

There is a thread on here that discusses this. You're not alone. You will, however, get bombarded by people on this thread telling you that you have to have another intolerence aside from gluten. I don't have any other intolerances and am just convinced that despite Udi's being a trusted gluten free company that I love...I cannot handle their products.

Why the negative attitude? Many of us DO have additional food intolerances. Good for you that you don't, but please don't make it sound like those that do have additional intolerance are making things up. Additional intolerances is ONE possible explanation, another possible explanation is cross-contamination in preparation (like in a shared toaster or spreading it with a shared condiment), and I'm sure there are plenty of other explanations too. When people suggest additional intolerances they are just trying to be helpful.

[Skylark]

There is a thread on here that discusses this. You're not alone. You will, however, get bombarded by people on this thread telling you that you have to have another intolerence aside from gluten. I don't have any other intolerances and am just convinced that despite Udi's being a trusted gluten free company that I love...I cannot handle their products.

So how, exactly, do you think you are reacting to gluten in Udi's given the huge number of highly sensitive celiacs who eat their products without problems? Are you that special a snowflake?

Udi's is obviously using a lot of dough conditioners to get the texture. You might be a little more open-minded and consider that either the treated flours or the dough conditioners themselves are causing your and other peoples' reactions.

[cassP]

i havent tried Udi's stuff yet- nor do i know the ingredients.... but i DO know, whether or not you have a problem with grains & carbs- GLUTEN FREE specialty products have A LOT of not so great ingredients- a lot of calories, and a lot of problematic ingredients. i, personally feel better if i eat more natural foods & only eat the specialty gluten free substitutes on occasion as a "treat". and then of course, we're all different & still dont know so much about each food- you could have your own special reactions... for example: green tea, red onions, and bananas are all very healthy foods- yet 75% of the time-> if i eat them by itself, i could very easily be running to the bathroom to vomit.

[Franceen]

I had exactly the same thing happen to me with Betty Crocker's gluten-free Devil's Food Cake mix. I made cakes about 10 times and had no problem then out of the blue I started having the same reaction you did with the bagels! I thought it was bad eggs or rancid butter maybe. It was awful. Major stomach pain, nausea (while driving I pulled over a couple of times, but never vomited). It happened with 3 batches of the cake so I gave up making the cake. I have no idea what it could have been. I have no other intolerances or allergies either. And I made the cakes myself in a dedicated pan, yaddi yah. No cross contamination. Icing was definitely gluten-free and I 've eaten the icing alone since then with no problems.

It hasn't happened with other similar products since then either. So, who knows what it could have been!

[CarolinaKip]

Hi all,

I am new to this site and finding it immensely helpful! I have been gluten-free for 3 months (except for a couple of binges which I paid for!) and feeling much better. I lately found Udi's products and love the taste and texture. However, I purchased a pack of plain bagels to try recently and have had a severe case of nausea (without actual vomiting) and stomach pain each time I have eaten them. I have had 3 bagels and the same reaction each time. I have eaten them for breakfast and the symptoms start about 30 minutes after and last 10 to 12 hours. Along with the nausea I experience sweating, shaking and inability to concentrate - all of which could be caused by the severe nausea...who can think clearly when they feel they could vomit at any moment?

Obviously, I am not going to eat any more of the bagels, but nothing else has done this to me and I don't see anything in the ingredients which might cause this.

Anyone else experience this or have any info that might help?

Thanks so much!

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keep a food diary, that will help you alot. How you feel after what you eat. I'm into my 4th month gluten-free and there are foods I cannot eat. I cannot eat UDI because brown rice bothers me.

il \and error. There are so many food allergies, food intolerance. Think about getting food allergy tested. I had awful pain, dizziness, migraines etc for months/years. My son has now had vomitting at 17...he will be tested soon! Going gluten-free,. I have yet to have a migraine since then. I'm still laesrning what I can eat!

[modiddly16]

Wow. First off, I was not being negative. I was responding on my blackberry and was just trying to say my piece. No need to read into tones on the internet, it can really get you into a bit of a pickle, I've learned my lesson on that. I wasn't knocking anyone that has other intolerences just merely stating that it would come up, multiple times on this board that other intolerences would be questioned.

As for insulting me and calling me a "special snowflake" and implying that I'm closed minded,I'm not quite sure that's an appropriate response. Perhaps I am, given that I've never had adverse reactions to any other gluten free product other than Udi's. Maybe I react to the combination of all of the ingrediants, maybe its too much xanathan gum for my stomach. I couldn't really explain that to you with exception of it gives me severe stomach problems, so I choose to avoid it. Trust me, I'm insanely open minded about being a celiac and give plenty of companies the benefit of the doubt. I simply stated that I have to avoid them "despite being a company that I love".

If I insulted anyone, that was obviously not my intention, so I apologize for your reading into a tone that wasn't there and do apologize for upsetting you. However, to go out of your way to insult someone who didn't knock a company and was just offering their two cents...I just find that inappropriate.

[modiddly16]

I had exactly the same thing happen to me with Betty Crocker's gluten-free Devil's Food Cake mix. I made cakes about 10 times and had no problem then out of the blue I started having the same reaction you did with the bagels! I thought it was bad eggs or rancid butter maybe. It was awful. Major stomach pain, nausea (while driving I pulled over a couple of times, but never vomited). It happened with 3 batches of the cake so I gave up making the cake. I have no idea what it could have been. I have no other intolerances or allergies either. And I made the cakes myself in a dedicated pan, yaddi yah. No cross contamination. Icing was definitely gluten-free and I 've eaten the icing alone since then with no problems.

It hasn't happened with other similar products since then either. So, who knows what it could have been!

Looks like we can be special little snowflakes together

[Skylark]

When you wrote "You will, however, get bombarded by people on this thread telling you that you have to have another intolerence aside from gluten." I interpreted this as "I'm right, you're reacting to gluten, don't listen to anyone else."

I was a little rude in return, as your post made me pretty mad. I'm one of the posters who reminds folks that they can get food poisoning, viruses, have other intolerances, and that not everything that makes you feel sick is a gluten reaction. I think people lose sight of that far too often on this board.

Udi's is made in a dedicated facility and many sensitive celiacs are fine with it, so Occam's razor suggests that it's not gluten people are reacting to. I am a little concerned about exactly which enzymes they use and what it does to the chemical structure of the proteins in the dough, but I should probably write Udi's and ask before I post my suspicions about why some people react here.

[modiddly16]

I too am one of the first people to say that it could be something non-gluten related causing a sickness, nothing has frustrated me more in my close to 7 years as a celiac than someone saying "well what did you eat" when I say I don't feel well. Its' not always about gluten...which is why I never claimed Udi's wasn't gluten free...just that something about the combination of ingredients causes me to get ill. I can't use those little crystal light packets you put in water bottles either without having that reaction but can drink other juices with the same exact ingredients with no reaction. I believe my body is just odd. Perhaps I was abrupt in my reply, but people do tend to bombard you on occasion telling you that there must be something else wrong with you, when sometimes...its just not something that can be explained. I believe I should no longer try to respond while sitting in traffic on my blackberry...

The odd thing about my reaction with this latest Udi's is that my boyfriend, who I live with, ate the remainder of my order and the days he ate the products, he too had stomach issues. He's a heavy gluten eater, so I immediately believe that maybe its just something else all together.

I apologize for upsetting you, but there's no need to get mad about a post...never on here have I ever seen anyone intentionally try to stir up anger, usually its the responses to other posts that bring out the rudeness and inappropriate comments. Tone is a killer in email and on this board!

[cassP]

why do you get upset when someone says "well what did you eat?" ?? it is possible to have other food intolerances & allergies... or it may be a food you're normally ok with- but maybe it points to one of your organs not working properly. im always asking people what they ate- im just trying to help them solve their puzzle

[cap6]

I'm less than 6 months into this and have a ton of learning left to do but could it be that our body changes with what we can tolerate. If we eat something now and then eat the same thing a month or so down the line and get sick from it could it be that our tolerances - or lack of - change as we go? I feel like I am more sensitive to certain foods now than I was a couple of months ago. of course it could be that I am learning what it feels like to get well and so notice things more.

[modiddly16]

why do you get upset when someone says "well what did you eat?" ?? it is possible to have other food intolerances & allergies... or it may be a food you're normally ok with- but maybe it points to one of your organs not working properly. im always asking people what they ate- im just trying to help them solve their puzzle

I get upset because my uneducated friends and family ask me that ANY time I'm sick....not just stomach issues..even allergies or the flu. I get annoyed because ever since I got diagnosed its always something I ate, in their mind...which isn't the case. So in this case, when they ask, my symptoms typically have nothing to do with a celiac symptom...hence the being annoyed.

Sure, its possible to have other intolerances and allergies, but I do not. I've been tested and I do not...therefore, its not currently a possibility for me.

Everyone appreciates people caring and trying to help them solve their puzzle for sure...I just do my best to educate those who surround me (physically in my life, not on this message board) to let them know that its not ALWAYS related to my disease.

[Skylark]

Tests for food intolerances are notoriously unreliable. They also do not test for intolerances to food additives, glutamate, amines, oxalates, or salicylates which can cause some people a lot of trouble. Conditions like fructose malabsorption are also off the medical radar so to speak. It can get very confusing and frustrating sifting through reactions to complex, manufactured foods. (I'm in the midst of doing that now myself.)

That's really weird that the Udi's made your BF sick as well. I haven't had any issues with their foods, which is nice.

Also, sorry for my initial post as well. You are right that people do not deliberately mean to insult on this board. It is part of what makes this community so strong. I should have just asked what you meant.

[Michelle1234]

My mom and I got sick every time we ate Udi's. At first I thought it was because when they converted to a gluten free bakery, they did not clean the equipment/environment enough. I got sick every time I ate their bread. Periodically I would try it again (every 6 mths or so) figuring that eventually everything would be cleaned out. They are a dedicated facility today but my understanding is that they are using their old regular bakery facility. Before becoming gluten intolerant they were one of my favorite bread bakeries in Denver so I wanted to keep trying. Funnily enough I can eat their bagels but not their bread. My mom thinks that maybe her problem is with the yeast they use. Hard to say. I do notice that I get sick more often now that I'm eating the bagels. Maybe I need to start taking notes and rethinking it if there is a tie in.... Giving up on Udi's is hard as there is almost no other products that match their taste in the categories they compete in.

Michelle (2 more special snow flakes)

[modiddly16]

No Worries I'm pretty easy going!! I'd just never intentionally offend anyone!! I definitely get what you're saying about unreliable testing for other intolerances but i'm 100% sure I don't have anything other than celiac disease...gluten and oats intolerance. I even have tried experimenting with other products that have the exact same ingredients as Udi's with no reaction whatsoever, so I just figured that I'd respectfully decline on their products. That being said I'm so happy that they are in existence and take care of those celiacs...super sensitive or not (which I'm not super sensitive so it makes it even stranger)!

I thought it was odd that it gave my boyfriend some issues too...which made me think maybe it has something to do with the amount of xanathan gum in the product which can sometimes act as a laxative.

or we're both weird special snowflakes I haven't quite decided!!

[Skylark]

Now I feel left out. I want to be a special snowflake!

Xanthan gum is as good a guess as any, and something a non-celiac would react to as well.

I love the Glutino bagels. Have you tried them, Michelle? They're a little lighter than regular bagels, but still a very good platform for lox and cream cheese. One of my friends had one and said he preferred the light texture to regular bagels. I don't even think he was trying to make me feel good about my weird food the way he wolfed it down.

[modiddly16]

I actually love the against the grain bagels...if I'm not careful, my boyfriend will eat them all!

[Michelle1234]

I love the Glutino bagels. Have you tried them, Michelle? They're a little lighter than regular bagels, but still a very good platform for lox and cream cheese. One of my friends had one and said he preferred the light texture to regular bagels. I don't even think he was trying to make me feel good about my weird food the way he wolfed it down.

I'll take a look at them. It is so hit or miss with gluten free products. I've tried a few brands but don't remember which ones didn't make the cut. Thanks for the suggestion!

Michelle

[missingpasta]

Hi all - thanks so much for all of the replies to this topic!! Most are extremely helpful and I am very sorry that the subject seemed to cause some conflict.

Yes, I am positive that there has been some cross-contamination via toaster, et al., but I can usually tolerate a small amount of that and have had no issues with my Celiac Maniac English Muffins which I eat nearly every morning. I'm tending to agree with the problem combination of ingredients theory and will just avoid eating Udi's bagels in the future...which is a shame because texture and taste are actually quite good.

Mostly it is heartening to know that I am not the only person who has experienced this response to them or other foods. I do intend to get thoroughly allergy tested later this year and that may shed some light on the matter. But the truth is...I might just be a "snowflake" too. (the tone for that last comment was meant to be VERY lighthearted)

Thanks again everyone.

[luvmjm]

Hi all,

I am new to this site and finding it immensely helpful! I have been gluten-free for 3 months (except for a couple of binges which I paid for!) and feeling much better. I lately found Udi's products and love the taste and texture. However, I purchased a pack of plain bagels to try recently and have had a severe case of nausea (without actual vomiting) and stomach pain each time I have eaten them. I have had 3 bagels and the same reaction each time. I have eaten them for breakfast and the symptoms start about 30 minutes after and last 10 to 12 hours. Along with the nausea I experience sweating, shaking and inability to concentrate - all of which could be caused by the severe nausea...who can think clearly when they feel they could vomit at any moment?

Obviously, I am not going to eat any more of the bagels, but nothing else has done this to me and I don't see anything in the ingredients which might cause this.

Anyone else experience this or have any info that might help?

Thanks so much!

Hi, I just signed up on this site, I actually typed in google... bad reaction to udi bagels. I have noticed that every time I toast only one half of it and only it that amount and I still have tremendous pain in my stomach. The first time, I thought maybe it was something else that caused it, second time again, did not want to believe it was the bagel and today is the third time I have consumed half a bagel and have been in horrible pain all day. I love the way they taste but obviously they do not agree with me so I will not be eating them ever again. I would like to know why they caused this.

[dilettantesteph]

Even us more sensitive celiacs vary in our response to trace gluten. My son and I are both sensitive to low levels of gluten, but he is much more sensitive than I am. Even if lots of sensitives can eat it, that doesn't mean that all sensitives can. Bottom line is don't eat it if it makes you sick. Others besides you react to Udi's. Even dedicated facilities cannot make sure that their grains come from dedicated farms. There are very few farms that use dedicated harvesting equipments. Even at that, a gluten free grain farmer I am familiar with doesn't let trucks drive through his place when it is muddy because gluten grains can get stuck in the tires and contaminated things that way. He still sorts and washes grain before he feeds it to his extremely sensitive daughter.

We just are not all in the same boat when it comes to cc.

I guess we must be a special snowflakes too.

[hannahp57]

i have problems with udi's breads. i have eaten all the muffins, cinnamon rolls and granola with no issues. havent tried the bagels. the breads just dont sit well with me. i dont get sick, just some serious stomach pain for about 3-4 hours. a little bit of a gassy feeling without actually passing gas and then it just goes away. i dont think it is a gluten issue. im a sensitive and my reactions are pretty consistent and this reaction is very different. the only thing i can think of is the amount of carbs. in general i dont eat many bread-like products. the muffins are usually one a day and that may be the only carb i eat all day. so two slices of gluten free bread may be just overwhelming when our systems arent used them. thats just a thought, i could be completely wrong here though... just the best idea i've come up with. again, i would feel very confident saying udi's doesnt have any gluten issues. the reaction i face doesnt fit and if you look on their website or call them, they are very educated in keeping from cross contaminating

there are other products that i also cant eat even though it has nothing to do with gluten. bob's red mill corn bread mix for example. i love it but it gives me a mild stomach ache every time i eat it

hope this helps someone