Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Can Cc Be Enough To Make Iga Levels High?


teresasupermom

Recommended Posts

teresasupermom Rookie

I just got my dd's latest celiac panel. She's been diagnosed and gluten free for almost a year. Her first check at the 3 month mark levels were going down and doctor was pleased. The last two checks levels have been going up. I just got the results today and they said IGA was 53 and "highly positive". We have just this week switched the family over to entirely gluten free. We have had most of our meals completely gluten-free for some time. We only had to switch the gluten-free bread and cereal. Everything else was switched - pastas and other recipes. Now my sister and I were talking and she asked me if CC was enough to make her numbers this high or if it's possible I am missing something. I really think we are cooking everything gluten-free, but figured I'd pose this question here. Do you think CC is enough to be causing these high of levels or do you think I am missing something? Obviously there is the possibility I may be missing something, but mostly wondering if CC can cause this high of an elevation alone.


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



shopgirl Contributor

Are you cooking with new pots and pans? Wooden and plastic spoons? Cookie sheets and other bakeware?

How much processed food is she eating? Is any of it made on shared lines or facilities?

How about personal products? Shampoo? Conditioner? Soap? Lotion? Lip balm? Makeup (depending on her age)?

Is she in school yet? School is pretty much a crumb factory. How about when she's with her friends? Could she be sneaking something somewhere?

teresasupermom Rookie

Are you cooking with new pots and pans? Wooden and plastic spoons? Cookie sheets and other bakeware?

How much processed food is she eating? Is any of it made on shared lines or facilities?

How about personal products? Shampoo? Conditioner? Soap? Lotion? Lip balm? Makeup (depending on her age)?

Is she in school yet? School is pretty much a crumb factory. How about when she's with her friends? Could she be sneaking something somewhere?

No, we just switched the whole family gluten-free this week. We didn't buy new pots and pans or dishes. Everything we cooked has been gluten-free since this summer, but we hadn't gotten rid of the sliced bread or cereal (from my non0-celiac kids)until this week. My question wasn't so much is CC the problem. I am sure that it is, but more so could CC alone cause this high or do you think I am missing something in her diet as well.

Jestgar Rising Star

Obviously there is the possibility I may be missing something, but mostly wondering if CC can cause this high of an elevation alone.

Absolutely. The immune system is designed to protect you so it "assumes" that a tiny bit of gluten is actually a huge attack and it just hasn't seen the rest yet.

heatherjane Contributor

No, we just switched the whole family gluten-free this week. We didn't buy new pots and pans or dishes. Everything we cooked has been gluten-free since this summer, but we hadn't gotten rid of the sliced bread or cereal (from my non0-celiac kids)until this week. My question wasn't so much is CC the problem. I am sure that it is, but more so could CC alone cause this high or do you think I am missing something in her diet as well.

I'm not sure about CC bumping numbers up that high - it seems to me that she would have to be getting significant amounts of gluten for them to keep climbing upward. I would think that now that the whole house is gluten free that you should see some improvement.

Personally, the day before my last blood draw, I was most likely cross-contaminated by a restaurant meal...my numbers on that test were elevated from the previous one. So, I'm sure it's possible.

Other possible sources of CC to check...

Have you been using the same toaster for her bread? If not, she will need a separate one. Toasters are nearly impossible to de-gluten.

Also, if you have been using shared condiments, crumbs can get into mayonaise jars, etc. I agree with a previous poster that if she's in school, that could be the culprit, especially if the numbers have been consistently climbing.

luvs2eat Collaborator

Apparently... or else something else is going on! My youngest DD, who's had a terrible time and is being tested for things like refractory celiac... had repeat blood work to find her numbers went from an 83 to a 79 in 6 months! She is so completely gluten-free, total gluten-free house, all new cookware and an extremely limited diet! Now she's researching all of her meds because her doc suggested she MUST be getting gluten from somewhere!

teresasupermom Rookie

Apparently... or else something else is going on! My youngest DD, who's had a terrible time and is being tested for things like refractory celiac... had repeat blood work to find her numbers went from an 83 to a 79 in 6 months! She is so completely gluten-free, total gluten-free house, all new cookware and an extremely limited diet! Now she's researching all of her meds because her doc suggested she MUST be getting gluten from somewhere!

Well that is a little depressing. I am so afraid that her numbers will still not come down even with us all switching gluten-free. This is so much more frustrating than I ever thought it would be.


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



Skylark Collaborator

Is there any possibility she is getting gluten foods from other children or at school?

mushroom Proficient

If you are still using the same toaster, cast iron pans, colander, wooden and plastic utensils and cutting boards, you are spreading cc every day. Your daughter may be a super sensitive and overreact to the smallest amount of gluten. I know it is expensive, but I would replace all those things, breadkmaker if you have one, everything that you cannot guarantee you can totally rid of gluten particles.

Luddie Newbie

I just got my dd's latest celiac panel. She's been diagnosed and gluten free for almost a year. Her first check at the 3 month mark levels were going down and doctor was pleased. The last two checks levels have been going up. I just got the results today and they said IGA was 53 and "highly positive". We have just this week switched the family over to entirely gluten free. We have had most of our meals completely gluten-free for some time. We only had to switch the gluten-free bread and cereal. Everything else was switched - pastas and other recipes. Now my sister and I were talking and she asked me if CC was enough to make her numbers this high or if it's possible I am missing something. I really think we are cooking everything gluten-free, but figured I'd pose this question here. Do you think CC is enough to be causing these high of levels or do you think I am missing something? Obviously there is the possibility I may be missing something, but mostly wondering if CC can cause this high of an elevation alone.

I, too, am having a problem with getting gluten somewhere. Apparently it is hidden in a lot of plain foods. I'm even now wondering about meats that are fed grains! My tests were going down, but suddenly started going up even after I had stopped eating anything but plain "naked" foods. I'm keeping a food and activity diary and hope I can pinpoint at least some of the stuff that bothers me (the big D and muscle/joint pain). So with time you'll get it figured out but it does really seem overwhelming at first. I checked with all the manufacturers of my meds and they all claim that they use no gluten products in the manufacture, but only one calls their products gluten-free.

Good luck and hang in there. It will be worth it in the long run, and even if your teenagers don't "get it" right now (how important it is) they will someday thank you and will take it seriously.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - Mari replied to Jmartes71's topic in Coping with Celiac Disease
      2

      Related issues

    2. - MogwaiStripe replied to annamarie6655's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      2

      Airborne Gluten?

    3. - knitty kitty replied to Midwestern's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      16

      Gluten Issues and Vitamin D

    4. - knitty kitty replied to annamarie6655's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      2

      Airborne Gluten?


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):



  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      132,243
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Dorfor
    Newest Member
    Dorfor
    Joined

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):


  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):





  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):



  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • Mari
      Hi Jmartes, It sure is difficult to get useful advice from medical providers. Almost 20 years  ago a Dr suggested that I might have Celiacs and I took a Celiac Panel blood test. No gluten challenge diet. On that test the tTG was in normal range but an alpha antibody was very high. I went online and read about celiac disease and saw how I could investigate this low tTG and still have celiac disease. Normal tTG can happen when a person had been reacting for many years. Another way is that the person has not been eating enough gluten to raise the antibody level. Another reason is that the tTG does not show up on a blood but may show up on a fecal test. Almost all Celiacs inherit at least one of the 2 main Celiac genes. I had genetic tests for the Celiac genes at Enterolab.com. I inherited one main Celiac gene from one parent and the report said that the DQ gene I inherited from my other parent, DQ6, could cause a person to have more problems or symptoms with that combination. One of my grandmother's had fairly typical symptoms of Celiacs but the other grandmother had severe food intolerances. I seem to show some problems inherited from both grandmothers. Human physiology is very complex and researchers are just beginning to understand how different body systems interact.  If you have taken an autosomal DNA test you can download your raw data file and upload it to Prometheuw.com for a small fee and search for Celiac Disease. If you don't find any Cekiac genes or information about Celiac disease  you may not have autoimmune gluten intolerance because more than 99% of Celiacs have one or both of these genes.  PLEASE ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU WANT TO KNOW EHAT i HAVE DONE TO HELP WITH SYMPTOMS.  
    • MogwaiStripe
      I can't prove it, but I truly believe I have been glutened by airborne particles. I used to take care of shelter cats once per week at a pet store, and no matter how careful I was, I would get glutened each time even if I wore a mask and gloves and washed up well after I was done. I believe the problem was that because I'm short, I couldn't do the the tasks without getting my head and shoulders inside their cages, and so the particles from their food would be all over my hair and top of my shirt. Then I had to drive home, so even if I didn't get glutened right then, the particles would be in my car just waiting for me to get in the car so they could get blown into my face again. I gave up that volunteer gig and stopped getting glutened so often and at such regular intervals.
    • knitty kitty
      Hello, @MogwaiStripe, Vitamin D is turned into its activated forms by Thiamine.  Thiamine deficiency can affect Vitamin D activation. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14913223/ Thiamine deficiency affects HLA genes.  HLA genes code for autoimmune diseases like Celiac, Thyroiditis, Diabetes, etc.  Thiamine deficiency inside a cell triggers a toggle switch on the gene which in turn activates autoimmune diseases carried on the gene.  The reference to the study is in my blog somewhere.  Click on my name to go to my page, scroll down to the drop down menu "Activities" and click on blogs.  
    • knitty kitty
      Hello, @annamarie6655, Yes, there's many of us who react to airborne gluten!   Yes, animal feed, whether for chickens or cats or dogs, can release airborne gluten.  I can get glutened from the bakery section at the grocery store.   The nose and mouth drain into the digestive system and can trigger systemic reactions.   I find the histamine release in response to airborne gluten will stuff up my sinuses and bother my eyes.  High histamine levels do cause anxiety and migraines.  The muscle spasms can be caused by high histamine, too.  The digestive system may not manifest symptoms without a higher level of gluten exposure.   Our bodies make an enzyme, DAO (diamine oxidase), to break down histamine.   Pyridoxine B 6, Cobalamine B12, Vitamin C, copper, zinc, and iron are needed to make DAO.  DAO supplements are available over the counter.  Taking a B Complex supplement and additional Thiamine in the form Benfotiamine or TTFD (tetrahydrofurfuryl disulfide) helps reduce the amount of histamine being released.  Mast cells without sufficient Thiamine have an itchy trigger finger and release histamine at the slightest provocation.  Thiamine helps mast cells refrain from releasing their histamine.    I find taking additional TTFD thiamine helps immensely with neurological symptoms as TTFD can easily cross the blood brain barrier without a carrier.  High histamine in the brain can cause the muscle spasms, anxiety and migraines.  Vitamin C really helps with clearing histamine, too.   The Digiorno pizza mystery reaction could have been caused by a reaction to the cheese.  Some people develop lactose intolerance.  Others react to Casein, the protein in dairy, the same as if to gluten because Casein resembles the molecular structure of gluten.  An enzyme used in some dairy products, microbial transglutaminase, causes a gluten reaction because it is the same as the tissue transglutaminase our bodies make except microbes make it.  Those tTg IgA blood tests to diagnose celiac disease measure tissue transglutaminase our bodies release as part of the autoimmune response to gluten.   You're doing great!  A Sherlock Holmes award to you for figuring out the connection between airborne gluten and animal feed!!!  
    • Scott Adams
      This article may be helpful:  
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.