Grains- Should We Be Wary Of Them All?

[VeggieGal]

I'm sure some of you have probably already seen this video or looked into this. But do any of you agree or have glutened symptoms after having other grains besides wheat, rye and barley?

I've always struggled with corn and am now finding gluten-free oats an issue too.

[MissyBB]

Thanks so much for that very informative video. My husband is also a Chiropractor and he is constantly telling his patients that the key to a lot of health issues is often diet. I wish MDs would see this correlation more often as well. 

[cap6]

Basicly grains are not good for anyone and are very hard to digest, and that isn't even going into how unhealthy GMO'd foods are. 

[cap6]

I hit post too fast!     That doesn't mean that I don't eat corn and oats etc., but for the most part they are not good for us!

[1desperateladysaved]

I bloat when I eat corn, I have known that one for years.  I have major fatigue brain fog problems with buckwheat (which is not a grain, but used like one.)  I react to Lundberg rice cooking on the stove.  I am eventually planning to test rice(produced in wheat free facilities) and perhaps other grains, but I am feeling so much better grain free it is hard to think of anything else.

 

Removing rice from my diet I had a similar withdrawal as I removed wheat.  Removing buckwheat I experienced the same withdrawal symptoms.  My health care provider guessed it could be problems with yeast.  I had antibodies to rice, corn, and buckwheat.

 

I can report back when and if I ever find a Thai rice to try and it works.

 

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[IrishHeart]

I  have had no issues whatsoever with grains like G F oats, corn, quinoa, brown rice since I recovered my gut.

 

I did at first, yes, but not anymore. 

 

I respectfully disagree with the general statement that grains are not good for people. Whole grains have many health benefits.

Unrefined grains that haven't had their bran and germ removed by milling are excellent sources of fiber and other important nutrients, such as selenium, potassium and magnesium. They are proven to be effective at lowering the  risk of diabetes, heart disease and certain cancers and they are naturally low in fat..

 

If you do not wish to eat them, don't, but be sure the other foods in your diet have enough fiber to keep your pipes flowing

 

If any of you are finding them difficult to digest right now, I suggest you take them out and try one at a time later down the road.

 

I don't think it is the grain's fault as much as it is your level of gut recovery that may be causing the digestion problems, IMHO

 

As always, you should do what's best for you. Cheers!

[Gemini]

I could not have said it better than IrishHeart did!  Whole grains are harder to digest anyway, like meat is.  There are also people who do not do well with grains because of a number of factors but the vast majority of grains are not a problem for most people, Celiac or not.  For those who are new to the gluten-free diet and still healing, it may be awhile before you can successfully integrate them into your diet.  I can eat pretty much anything now, as long as it is gluten free, and I didn't have a working gut at diagnosis. 

 

There is the added problem of systemic yeast growth and any grain, except brown rice, will cause the same symptoms as Celiac symptoms in those with this problem.  Grains are carbs and carbs break down into sugar.  Sugar feeds yeast and a candida problem is common in undiagnosed Celiacs.  I am not syaing all Celiacs have a candida problem but it is fairly common.

I did and treated it successfully.

[dilettantesteph]

Look carefully into the education and credentials of the sources of your information.  There is a lot of misinformation available on the internet. 

[VeggieGal]

Look carefully into the education and credentials of the sources of your information. There is a lot of misinformation available on the internet.

Yes I'm sure you are right (I was hesitant on putting the video on here). I just wondered what the views of others were on this and their experiences. This video seems to make out that all grains carry gluten....but is this the same gluten which causes us damage? I'd like to think that by now our healthcare would've informed us and new guidelines would be in place if it was true. But at the same time I want to do whatever it takes to heal ....hopefully, I'll be the same as others and one day be able to digest corn etc again.

[IrishHeart]

Yes I'm sure you are right (I was hesitant on putting the video on here). I just wondered what the views of others were on this and their experiences. This video seems to make out that all grains carry gluten....but is this the same gluten which causes us damage? I'd like to think that by now our healthcare would've informed us and new guidelines would be in place if it was true. But at the same time I want to do whatever it takes to heal ....hopefully, I'll be the same as others and one day be able to digest corn etc again.

 

It is not the same gluten that causes damage in celiac disease, no.

 

I am glad Steph mentioned the "consider the source" aspect. After I wrote my response this morning and I was walking on the treadmill

at the gym, I was thinking to myself: I should have mentioned that not everyone views what this Dr. Osborne says as solid info.

 

I look to Dr. Fasano and other celiac authorities for valid research and information.

[defeatwheat]

     Corn on the cob is a very hard thing to digest. I don't eat corn on the cob even though I eat every other form of corn. As for gluten free oats you may not be accustomed to the amount of fiber in them. Balancing fiber is a very difficult thing for me. I've heard of avoiding all grain, in theory I don't think it is a good idea and I really don't want to do it but sometimes after eating various flours I question if it is actually tough to digest but I think it goes back to the fiber for me.

[VeggieGal]

Thanks all glad thats made clearer.

Yes defeatwheat, I struggle with corn on the cob more than say other forms of corn and I'm sure you're right about the fibre. I also struggle with kale so i guess it is a gut-healing, time will tell sort of thing. Thanks again.

[dilettantesteph]

If you are having problems, there are some other possible causes.  One is the contamination issue revealed nicely in a study by Tricia Thompson: Open Original Shared Link

 

With oats, there is a fraction of celiacs that react to it as to gluten: Open Original Shared Link

[cap6]

I sincerely apologize for making a blanket statement without backing it up with proof when I said that grains are not good for us. I Should have said..... based on the reading that I have done and believing in the Paleo diet, it is My opinion, and only My Opinion, that grains are not good for us. It appears (to me) that many many people have difficulty digesting grains. Added to the fact that many grains are GMO'd it makes for not the best food choices. Of course we have the options of choosing organic food. Again I apologize for my statement.

[Chad Sines]

Interesting topic for sure. i do think people should experiment with the no dairy, no grains to see if they feel improvements. It is interesting what things might change. I went caffeine free from only one cup a day and amazingly cleared my allergies mostly, neck pain, and had huge improvements in insomnia. Knocked out dairy and no more allergies. It was a woah moment.

 

The big take away is we have to be our own advocate and essentially experiment on ourselves to see what works and what does not. For many of us we only were diagnosed as Celiac because we figured it out and then the doctors had their aha moment. That was my case for over 15 years.

[VeggieGal]

I sincerely apologize for making a blanket statement without backing it up with proof when I said that grains are not good for us. I Should have said..... based on the reading that I have done and believing in the Paleo diet, it is My opinion, and only My Opinion, that grains are not good for us. It appears (to me) that many many people have difficulty digesting grains. Added to the fact that many grains are GMO'd it makes for not the best food choices. Of course we have the options of choosing organic food. Again I apologize for my statement.

Hi cap6, there is no need to apologise, you didnt say anything wrong at all. I've read in a few places since this post that grains can be hard to digest and like others are saying, we have to be our own advocate and work out what we can and can't cope with. We'll get there

Just to add...yes Chad, since I've cut out caffeine, I've also noticed a huge difference. Only problem is that caffeine is like an addiction to me so I find it difficult staying off the stuff!

Can anyone tell me if marksdailyapple.com is a reputable site?...I was reading about grains/leptins etc. The thing is, if I believe everything I read, I'll have nothing to eat! (mind, I could do with losing a ton of weight)

[IrishHeart]

I sincerely apologize for making a blanket statement without backing it up with proof when I said that grains are not good for us. I Should have said..... based on the reading that I have done and believing in the Paleo diet, it is My opinion, and only My Opinion, that grains are not good for us. It appears (to me) that many many people have difficulty digesting grains. Added to the fact that many grains are GMO'd it makes for not the best food choices. Of course we have the options of choosing organic food. Again I apologize for my statement.

 

Cap

No need to apologize, hon. You may notice I said "I respectfully disagree" when I posted my thoughts and I meant that.   This is a forum where various views are presented. I almost always says IMHO when I offer mine, so people realize it's me talking.

I just disagree with the general statement that they are not good for us --but I do agree they may be hard for some people to digest.

Individuals will have to determine what works best for them. 

Now if you had said "grains are full of anthrax and your guts will explode and you'll develop a third eye after eating them", I may have said "now that's just plain crazy talk, Cap and I'd like pictures and proof"  LOL

 

 

Can anyone tell me if marksdailyapple.com is a reputable site?...I was reading about grains/leptins etc. The thing is, if I believe everything I read, I'll have nothing to eat! (mind, I could do with losing a ton of weight)

 

You can't believe everything you read on the internet. That's for sure. Even some things posted on here are erroneous and subject to

being far-fetched. We all need to consider the source and determine what works best for us individually.

As far as I know, Mark Sisson's opinions about  the Paleo diet are considered valid

and he has many loyal readers.

But there are many who advocate against that diet, too, citing it as too limited and deficient in some nutrients (not sure why it would be,

but it is limited in food options, IMHO.)

 

The internet is where all opinions come to roost.

We all need to choose wisely. 

 

If it matters, when I was first diagnosed and my GI tract was a burning mess, I really had to go no dairy, no soy,  no caffeine or sugary things, no grains--except

brown rice on occasion --and I think--in my case--that it helped speed up my gut repair. I also took probiotics (and still do)

 

Try paleo for a few weeks--it can't hurt and it may help. Good luck, hon!

[VeggieGal]

Cap

No need to apologize, hon. You may notice I said "I respectfully disagree" when I posted my thoughts and I meant that. This is a forum where various views are presented. I almost always says IMHO when I offer mine, so people realize it's me talking.

I just disagree with the general statement that they are not good for us --but I do agree they may be hard for some people to digest.

Individuals will have to determine what works best for them.

Now if you had said "grains are full of anthrax and your guts will explode and you'll develop a third eye after eating them", I may have said "now that's just plain crazy talk, Cap and I'd like pictures and proof" LOL

You can't believe everything you read on the internet. That's for sure. Even some things posted on here are erroneous and subject to

being far-fetched. We all need to consider the source and determine what works best for us individually.

As far as I know, Mark Sisson's opinions about the Paleo diet are considered valid

and he has many loyal readers.

But there are many who advocate against that diet, too, citing it as too limited and deficient in some nutrients (not sure why it would be,

but it is limited in food options, IMHO.)

The internet is where all opinions come to roost.

We all need to choose wisely.

If it matters, when I was first diagnosed and my GI tract was a burning mess, I really had to go no dairy, no soy, no caffeine or sugary things, no grains--except

brown rice on occasion --and I think--in my case--that it helped speed up my gut repair. I also took probiotics (and still do)

Try paleo for a few weeks--it can't hurt and it may help. Good luck, hon!

Thanks IH, I think I will seriously look into the paleo lifestyle :)

[Chad Sines]

Marks Daily Apple is considered one of the bigger "groups" although Loren Cordain has a different approach and a lot more information. I read Sissom's books and found them light on details, but I know many who follow him happily.