Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Honesty Vs Glutening


ThisIsMyUserName

Recommended Posts

ThisIsMyUserName Explorer

So I have Non-Celiac Glucose Intolerance, but appear to be exceedingly sensitive (can't eat at a table where others are eating bread because crumbs get in, can't reuse pots that cooked gluteny things, etc.) with horrible celiac-like symptoms. When I told people I had NCGI, I got a lot of "Oh, you're one of those self-diagnosed gluten avoiders" and (at first) getting glutened at people's houses and restaurants when told something is "gluten-free" but wasn't and (more recently) people getting insulted if I choose not to eat or bring my own food. I started telling people I have "some version of celiac" and things have gotten much better; haven't been glutened in weeks, people have been very good about understanding and respecting when I put my health above social norms. But I feel dishonest, and it seems potentially disrespectful to those who have an actual autoimmune disease, which I appear not to. Some research suggests that NCGI may be celiac before it gets bad, but who knows? So, am I good to just say celiac or am I breaking some important rule?


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



kareng Grand Master

As a fully diagnosed Celiac (off the chart blood tests, every biopsy completely "flattened" and enough Celiac genes for several people) I have 2 things to say about this -

 

1.  I don't want you to think NCGI when it might be something else.  So keep a look out for patterns or other things that might be your problem.  

 

2.  As long as you are as strict as a Celiac needs to be, call yourself Celiac for the purposes of eating out or with others.  Don't let me catch you crying "Celiac!  Give me gluten-free food" and then see you drinking a regular beer with it!  or having a bite of someone's birthday cake!   :D

ThisIsMyUserName Explorer

That's fair! I will say that if you catch me taking a bite of birthday cake, you'll catch me throwing up everything I eat for the next week, so I'm in with you guys 100%. :-)

nvsmom Community Regular

LOL :lol:

 

I would just say that you cannot eat gluten for health reasons, because you will become sick if you eat it.  You could also state that you were tested for celiac disease and now have to eat gluten-free.  Let them assume what they want.   ;)

 

Or just say that you were diagnosed NCGS and must eat gluten-free on the advice/orders of your doctor.  All very true.  

 

Don't take risks with your health just because other people are ignorant of the health issues that affect your life.  After a few months, when they see you are strictly gluten-free and feeling better, they'll back off... or at least most people will.

liz824us Newbie

Based on my experience, people don't really understand the difference and I generally just say I'm allergic to gluten and have to eat a gluten free diet or I become ill. My doctor diagnosed my symptoms as gluten allergic but he didn't do any testing, so I don't actually know what my status is and neither does he. I do, however, maintain a gluten free diet because the consequences of straying aren't pleasant!

bartfull Rising Star

You don't owe anything to anyone but yourself. If people won't take you seriously, tell them you have celiac. Or tell them you are allergic to wheat. Tell them anything you have to. Tell them if you eat that thing you will be throwing it right back up and spending the rest of the evening in their bathroom. Whatever it takes.

cyclinglady Grand Master

I was diagnosed as a celiac two years ago but my husband was not. He has been gluten free for 14 years per the poor advice of my allergist and his GP. He refuses to do a gluten challenge and I can not blame him. It just makes it easier to say we are both celiac.


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



RMJ Mentor

Say whatever is needed to keep your food safe!

Chef Oonagh Rookie

As RMJ says, say whatever you need to say to keep yourself safe.  If you feel awkward saying celiac disease when you are ncgs then just say doctor told me to follow gfd.  But as Karen says don't say celiac disease to restaurant and then eat wheat cake or beer. I work with restaurants to improve their gluten-free (now gluten sensitive menus - thank you FDA for making it more difficult while protecting industry).  It makes it difficult when someone demands gluten-free but then actually eats wheat cake. I've had restaurants tell me that. I normally say during a talk that say to the server even a wheat crouton lifted off my salad will give me the worse case of food poisoning/throwing up immediately (bit of an exaggeration for some, not all) and they understand.

PCB Apprentice

In the UK we celiacs are grateful to non-celiac gluten avoiders. Since last year restaurants have to list allergens and many have gluten-free menus, which suggests that more than 1 percent of the population is avoiding gluten. The U.S. Is usually ahead in these things and I guess your labelling of food products is as good as ours with gluten-free prominent on packs and jars. I simply say I have to be gluten free and that is accepted,. As others have commented, you must be consistent or you will undo all the good work and goodwill that has got us here!

BlessedMommy Rising Star

I will say something like, "Is that food/dish/etc. safe for celiacs?" or will state that I follow a celiac diet or a strict gluten free diet for serious medical reasons and must avoid all of it. I also say to the server, "I'm not on this diet by choice, it's actually necessary, so please tell the kitchen staff that and have them take the necessary precautions."

Nikki2777 Community Regular

 I normally say during a talk that say to the server even a wheat crouton lifted off my salad will give me the worse case of food poisoning/throwing up immediately (bit of an exaggeration for some, not all) and they understand.

 

I know we're all different in how we react.  One of my concerns is that my reactions generally come an hour or two after being glutened, and I fear that if someone messes up (intentionally or not) and doesn't see me running into the bathroom immediately following, that I was 'faking it'.  This only reinforces their carelessness (intentional or not) for the next person with Celiac or NCGI.  I tend to say, "I won't react here, but it will be very, very bad at home and for the next three weeks".

Feeneyja Collaborator

I think this is a difficult one. I'm dealing with it with my 9yo daughter. Those that know she was celiac negative think I'm overreacting. It's a lot of educating others I guess. And bringing your own food. It's hard, though, with a child. They don't have the confidence to stand up for themselves to family and friends who just don't understand.

I personally think that they will someday find a link between celiac and NCGS.

bartfull Rising Star

"I personally think that they will someday find a link between celiac and NCGS."

 

I have absolutely no scientific evidence to back it up, but I agree with you.         

nvsmom Community Regular

Ditto.  There's no proof yet, but I believe that celiac disease may just be an intestinal manifestation of autoimmune based gluten sensitivity.  That's just my theory though.  ;)

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,109
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Kathy001
    Newest Member
    Kathy001
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • RMJ
      They don’t give a sample size (serving size is different from sample size) so it is hard to tell just what the result means.  However, the way the result is presented  does look like it is below the limit of what their test can measure, so that is good.
    • knitty kitty
      @cristiana,  I react the same way.  Dairy consumption flushes out my digestive system within an hour, too! As casein is digested, it forms casomorphins that bind to opioid receptors in our bodies.  This is similar to digested gluten peptides being able to attach to opioid receptors in our bodies.   We have opioid receptors throughout our bodies including lots in the digestive tract. Casein raises tTg IgA antibodies just like gluten consumption does, which leads to further intestinal damage and continuing inflammation.  No wonder our bodies react to it by pushing the "emergency evacuation" ejection seat button! The mother of my childhood friend was British and introduced me to drinking tea properly with milk or cream.  I miss it so much.  And chocolate ice cream.  Not worth the after effects, though.  I've found taking Omega Three supplements (flaxseed oil, sunflower seed oil, evening primrose oil) helps shake those dairy cravings.   Green leafy veggies like broccoli, kale, and greens (mustard, turnip, collards) are great sources of calcium.  Avoid spinach as it is high in oxalates that block calcium absorption and may cause kidney stones.  Yes, more leafy greens are needed to reach the same amount of calcium in a glass of milk, but the greens have other benefits, like increased dietary fiber and polyphenols that act as antioxidants, reduce inflammation, and promote health.   Exposure to gluten (and casein in those sensitive to it) can cause an increased immune response and inflammation for months afterwards.  The immune cells that make tTg IgA antibodies which are triggered today are going to live for about two years. During that time, inflammation is heightened.  Those immune cells only replicate when triggered.  If those immune cells don't get triggered again for about two years, they die without leaving any descendents programmed to trigger on gluten and casein.  The immune system forgets gluten and casein need to be attacked.  The Celiac genes turn off.  This is remission.   Some people in remission report being able to consume gluten again without consequence.  Another triggering event can turn the Celiac genes on again.   Celiac genes are turned on by a triggering event (physical or emotional stress).  There's some evidence that thiamine insufficiency contributes to the turning on of autoimmune genes.  There is an increased biological need for thiamine when we are physically or emotionally stressed.  Thiamine cannot be stored for more than twenty-one days and may be depleted in as little as three during physical and emotional stresses. Mitochondria without sufficient thiamine become damaged and don't function properly.  This gets relayed to the genes and autoimmune disease genes turn on.  Thiamine and other B vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients are needed to replace the dysfunctional mitochondria and repair the damage to the body.  
    • TheDHhurts
      Hi, I bought Naked Nutrition Creatine. It lists itself as gluten free but is not certified. (It used to be, but they dropped it in the past year or two apparently.) I wrote the company and asked them what testing results they had for creatine and they sent me the attached, which says the test result for gluten is <0.025MCG. I'm used to seeing test results as ppm, so I'm not sure what <0.025MCG means. Can it be converted to ppm easily? I want to confirm that it is safe to use.
    • cristiana
      When I was still recovering my gastroenterologist suggested I bought lactofree product as I was very bloated.  So I bought some from the supermarket and from memory, I drank a nice big glass of milk - and it went right through me literally within an hour or so, if my memory serves correctly.  I came off dairy completely next and it worked like a charm, but started to reintroduce quite gradually it as I missed it! To this day, if I overdo dairy products, they work like a mild laxative.  I've never wanted to give up milk completely as I like it so much, and my mum had osteoporosis and it's an easy way of getting calcium.  But it doesn't really 'sit' well with me.   You may need to experiment a bit as when I was healing certain dairy products were worse than others - I could cope with one brand of Greek yoghurt, but I got extremely and painfully bloated with another brand of live British yoghurt.  
    • wellthatsfun
      i have been strictly gluten free for 7 months. this includes avoiding anything that may contain gluten and making sure surfaces and appliances are clean. i am 18 years old in australia and my tTG-IgA results were 69U/mL, pretty low compared to most people's, for reference. i feel the exact same as before. sure, i was pretty much asymptomatic/silent. the worst i'd get was occasionally bad stools and pitting of the nails/brittle hair since early childhood - and i was diagnosed with low iron and vitamin d which checks out due to easy bruising and such. but those symptoms have remained. maybe i'm jumping the gun, sure. i know it can take years to fully heal. but being over half a year in, i feel that i should be, y'know, healing. i'm nearly at my wits end and wondering if i should have a piece of bread or something to see how i go - to see if i possibly have refractory? my mental health is declining as i feel myself wanting to bang my head against a damn wall out of frustration every day. cravings haven't gotten better. look, i love the stuff i still can have, like salads and such. OH! i haven't lost any weight, which is mind boggling considering i eat very healthily now! i've always been on the chubbier side which is atypical of coeliac. i just don't know what's going on with me. i try to remain hopeful but i'm just so sad all the time. thanks for reading  
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.