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How to prepare beans/peas/legumes to avoid lectins??

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Hello all, after having sent myself crazy with the tons of research and conflicting info on the net, I decided to look for a forum where I might get info from many users in my situation. Please bear with my questions as I am totally confused.

I suffer from Psoriasis and Psoriatic Arthritis and seeking to follow a gluten free diet from now on and can definitely use some help and guidance please.

So recently someone on our Psoriasis forum brought up the issue of "lectins" and certain sources are showing that peas/beans need to be pressurized to get rid of the lectins, other sources are showing that all peas/beans are lectin free so you can see my utter confusion, Anyway guys, can you tell me if it is ok to buy canned peas/beans and cook them or would buying them raw then pressurizing be the better healthier option please? Thanks.

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cyclinglady Grand Master
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Beans and legumes do contain lectins.  I am not sure if pressurized cooking really removes them (and I cook with one).  I would look for scientific research and not a blog to back this up.   If you suspect lectins are an issue for you and are willing to experiment, then completely remove them for a few weeks.  Make sure you are eating a variety of foods to make up for the loss of nutrients that you will lose by removing lectins (or reducing) from your diet.  If you are unsure, work with a dietitian.  

Canned beans are cooked.  So, I am not sure the benefit of reheating them.  I cook beans from scratch for my family as I like to sort my beans and check for stray pieces of wheat and other contaminates like rocks!  The USDA allows a tiny percentage of contaminates.  

As a diabetic, I avoid beans and legumes simply because they spike my blood sugar (my blood glucose meter never lies).  I seem to be doing well on my restricted diet, but eat a varied diet that includes plenty of fats, meat, eggs, fish, dairy and tons of veggies (e.g. I consume veggies at breakfast).  That is where most people get into trouble.  

Please make sure you really understand nutrition before altering your diet.  Again, consider working with a dietitian.  

Of course, I occasionally indulge in many foods, but as a celiac I never consume gluten willingly!  

Please also consider getting tested for celiac disease before eliminating gluten from your diet.  Autoimmune disorders often go hand-in-hand.  Testing for celiac disease does require you to be on a gluten diet.  If you test negative, then feel free to trial the gluten free diet.  Learn more:

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mystic Enthusiast
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Thank you for all of the info/advice. From a Psoriatic standpoint I had to eat healthier no matter what so my diet changes will need to be focused on that. It's just a few simple foods I need to get clear on, maybe you can advise on this please? Is it ok for a Celiac to eat regular eggs or would vegan or omega3 eggs be the better option? Also which would be better, butter or margarine?

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3 hours ago, mystic said:

Thank you for all of the info/advice. From a Psoriatic standpoint I had to eat healthier no matter what so my diet changes will need to be focused on that. It's just a few simple foods I need to get clear on, maybe you can advise on this please? Is it ok for a Celiac to eat regular eggs or would vegan or omega3 eggs be the better option? Also which would be better, butter or margarine?

Unless you have specific allergies or dietary issues,  I don't think you need to avoid regular eggs or butter.

mystic Enthusiast
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Well, while not being a dairy product for Psoriatic people we are very limited to meat products so better option for me would be vegan.

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Ennis-TX
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2 hours ago, mystic said:

Well, while not being a dairy product for Psoriatic people we are very limited to meat products so better option for me would be vegan.

Might consider my approach of a dairy free keto diet with very limited meat intake. I live off of omelettes with veggies, veggie stir fries nut based breads, nut butters, seeds, avocados, coconut, coconut wraps, nut based milks and cheeses instead of dairy, and I tend to have Kal nutritional yeast in every meal along with vegan protein powders to make up for any nutrients i might miss. Meats I only eat fish or crab in small amounts maybe once a month, just started being able to eat poultry again, still having to blend the turkey into my eggs or a broth lol.

kareng Grand Master
kareng
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Celiacs can earn anything gluten free - so any type of egg, margarine or butter are fine, lechtins have nothing to do with gluten.

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cyclinglady Grand Master
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I think you should seriously consider consulting with a nutritionist or dietician who works with autoimmune patients.  

Awol cast iron stomach Experienced
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Never a bad idea to further read up on nutrition or consult with one if covered by insurance or in budget. 

While celiacs can have most foods except wheat, rye, barley some of us have additional intolerances too. Some have intolerances to lectin  foods or nightshade foods as well. Even if not intolerant sometimes when highly inflamed these items may push the inflammatory threshold. 

I know other posters mentioned some great ideas and additionally you may want to read up on AIP. You may have to remove things to quiet the inflammation (white noise) to find your triggering foods and calm the immune storm.

In my opinion some lectins or  nightshades can add to the immune threshold/ burden

good luck 

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mystic Enthusiast
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My intent right now is to try to incorporate a sugar-free/lectin-free-gluten-free/nightshade-free/dairy-free diet, if that's possible. 

I keep reading and reading everything I can find on those topics and the hardest part is dealing with the many conflicting info. Can you tell me what the AIP is please?

 

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8 minutes ago, mystic said:

My intent right now is to try to incorporate a sugar-free/lectin-free-gluten-free/nightshade-free/dairy-free diet, if that's possible. 

I keep reading and reading everything I can find on those topics and the hardest part is dealing with the many conflicting info. Can you tell me what the AIP is please?

 

AIP is Auto Immune Protocol, you avoid foods that are harsh on the immune system or known to cause issues for many. One of which is legumes like beans, peanuts, dairy, grains, of all kinds, etc, Most are a focus on Paleo where we eat only what our ancestors ate with a bit more restrictions.  Various versions focus on different food groups like eliminating all fruit, or sugars, root based plants, or nightshades, my main suggest is keep a food diary and track what you eat and how you feel. I had a odd issue with lectin and high histamine foods for awhile. I still have to fix certain foods in c certain ways like roasting nuts and seeds a very specific amount of time to find my balance of making them easier to breakdown without causing too much of a issues by the compounds that developed from them being roasted -_- It really is quite a balancing act.

Look up paleo and keto diets plans based on these is what you want....and yes it is possible. I live on the diet you mention aside from the fact I eat tomatoes still, and consume some higher lectin nuts/seeds.

mystic Enthusiast
mystic
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Thanks, the main thing I need help with is the cereal/grains issue, trying to find something to replace them, that's going to be a struggle.

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13 minutes ago, mystic said:

Thanks, the main thing I need help with is the cereal/grains issue, trying to find something to replace them, that's going to be a struggle.

Why do you need to replace them? You just do not eat them, you do not need carbs -_- Look up ketogenic diets, your body will change and regear itself. You eat tons of fats instead, your body changes from using carbs for energy to using fats instead. Takes a few weeks and you will feel like you have the flu while the transition takes effect. Then you start feeling like the Juggernaut...like really body builder I can tear up the gym feeling. If you looking for ketogenic options for cereal I used almond and coconut meal porridge, there are a few companies that make keto foods like Julian Bakery makes granola, breads, bars, waffle and pancake mix, and KNOWFoods makes all kinds of things. I use miracle noodle pasta, and rice and slather them in fat based sauces like avocado or coconut Alfredo, or coconut milk soups.   I make my own keto breads and sell them out of my bakery. I had to change to the keto diet to deal with my other Autoimmune disease Ulcerative Colitis, I am doing amazingly well on this diet. No bloat, no gas, putting on weight, body building, -_- Walking over 14 miles a day and spending hours working out several days a week. Feel amazing.


PS make sure your getting plenty of leafy greens in their, the combination is amazing as many nutrients from the leafy greens are fat soluble so they work great together. If you can eat some meats, I have issues with meats unless I take pancreatic enzymes to help break them down (you might want to look into to also if your having digestion issues, check the post I did awhile back on digestive enzymes)  . https://www.celiac.com/forums/topic/119919-digestive-enzymes/

NOTE tis is just one option that looks like the diet you wish to achieve via the no sugar, grains/gluten option. It is proven effective for many and safe, many times used by body builders.

mystic Enthusiast
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Thanks a million for the suggestions. I will need to take my time and soak this all in, get back to this thread soon.

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I should add that what makes this so extremely difficult for me is that I wish to naturally reverse my Psoriasis and Psoriatic Arthritis but since my mom is diabetic [even though my dad is not] I want to also include a diet which will prevent or minimize my chances of getting it. 

Some foods with which diet I follow might affect one or the other so I am trying to come up with a workable diet which will address both issues.

 

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This is a good resource if you want to learn more about lectins.  It's a recent book, may be available at a library.  It has lists of foods to avoid and to eat. 

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Yes, I am aware of the Gundry diet but thanks anyway.

 

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