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Gluten As A Growing Medium.


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If mushrooms are grown in rye berries ( rye seeds, basically, not gluten-free friendly ), will the mushrooms be gluten free? I saw a thread about eating chicken that was fed oats, etc and that causing a reaction, but what about plants. Not really concerned about the meat as I don't enjoy it, but this might be a problem.

I guess the broader question is do plants transfer what they are fed and grown in to the fruit they produce thus making them the gluten-free's foe? Would this be different root vegetables? Potatoes, carrots, onions, etc?

Starting to question this after no improvement in symptoms with 4 months of gluten-free goodness.

Help from growers and vegetable enthusiasts is appreciated.


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lorka150 Collaborator

Chickens eating oats would not cause a reaction. I am not sure about the mushrooms - I highly doubt it though.

gfp Enthusiast

Erm no definitive answer ...

Why take the risk?

I think a black and white answer would be no but why do grapes make different wine depending on the soil and what else grows around them?

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ravenwoodglass Mentor

I don't think the mushrooms would be absorb it and then thus become a gluten risk but the gills under the caps and the outside of the mushroom would have a high risk of CC in my opinion. I wouldn't eat them.

linuxprincess Rookie

Thanks for the input on this topic guys. I guess I never thought about the CC under the gills or on the outside of the fungus, but I guess that would make sense. I think I might email a professor at my college about this and see what they have to say. If I find anything more out on this topic, I'll be sure to post it for reference.

Thanks!

Patricia

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I wouldn't be concerned about the mushroom containing gluten, but I would make sure I washed them to avoid CC. Same with chicken. If a chicken eats oats, it metabolizes the oats and turns it into energy which in turn builds the muscle we eat. It's no longer in gluten-form.

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I wouldn't be concerned about the mushroom containing gluten, but I would make sure I washed them to avoid CC. Same with chicken. If a chicken eats oats, it metabolizes the oats and turns it into energy which in turn builds the muscle we eat. It's no longer in gluten-form.

What about the undigested food in the crop and stomach? Or even partially digested food in the intestine?

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What about the undigested food in the crop and stomach? Or even partially digested food in the intestine?

chkdigsys.webp

I did think about this. If you're buying chicken breasts or whole chickens with the guts taken out, there *should* be no CC. But I'm not so sure that the intestines and stomach never get cut into so there's definitely a risk there. I'm not sure if there's a final washing step at the end of the process that would reduce this risk. Maybe the solution is to wash chicken ourselves? In the general scheme of things, this is a fairly low-risk area. Industrial chickens in the USA are feed mostly corn, so you'd have to have several things go wrong for there to be CC issues.

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